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Post by debjorgo on Dec 30, 2013 22:50:08 GMT -5
The wiki page for Silly Love Songs just credits Paul for lead and backing vocals. It credits Harold Cowart for the bass. He is the bass player for the Playboys, the band who did Judy in Disguise. I don't know how many times I've said that Silly Love Songs is great just because of the bass. This kind of blows that to hell. Someone tell me this is not so. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_Love_Songs
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 31, 2013 4:48:18 GMT -5
I've never heard that. I wonder where it comes from. It's not listing the batch of people who played it in Broad Street, is it?
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 31, 2013 10:23:26 GMT -5
I've never heard that. I wonder where it comes from. It's not listing the batch of people who played it in Broad Street, is it? Or the live version on Wings Over America. Paul plays the bass on it and it sounds pretty close. The wiki for At the Speed of Sound says it's produced by Paul, Barry Gibb and a couple of other guys. On paulmccartney.com it just says it's produced by Paul McCartney. Could this just be a Bee Gees fan who's written the wiki and overstating the importance of Gibb? Cowart was playing with them at the time.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 31, 2013 12:50:31 GMT -5
I would call that bogus. Barry Gibb had nothing to do with that album.
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Post by scousette on Dec 31, 2013 15:17:32 GMT -5
Ya can't believe everything you read on wiki. Sounds like somebody was creating their own reality.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 31, 2013 17:38:45 GMT -5
I can't find anything to substantiate this at all, not even on Barry Gibbs webpage. I think if he had helped Paul produce an album and a number one song, it would be all over his pages.
I'm going to assume Paul played that great bass.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 31, 2013 17:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by RockoRoll on Dec 31, 2013 18:06:15 GMT -5
Gee Debjorgo, were you trying to give us a wee little test (lol), don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia....Anyone can get on the site, edit, and can enter what they want.....The guy who entered the info for Silly Love Songs, must have been high or drunk like a skunk (and listening to McCartney/Bee Gees music at the same time in the background...*laugh*)......I'm both a big fan of the The Beatles and the Bee Gees, and also an obsessed *Wings* fan for 40 years, and this is the first time ever hearing Bee Gee's - Barry Gibb on a McCartney album, and also Bee Gee's bass guitarist Harold Cowart ? (died June 27 - 2010 at his home. He was 66).....I've checked all my Wings books and sorry no Barry Gibb ever gets mentioned (except for the movie Sgt Pepper), and even checked on the net, and sorry no Gibb/Cowart name was ever mentioned for the song (except for Wiki?).......... Wings At The Speed Of Sound
Studio - Wings / Parlophone/EMI
Recorded: October 1975 - February 1976 Producer: Paul McCartney
Released: 26 March 1976 (UK), 22 March 1976 (US)
Personnel: Paul McCartney: vocals, bass guitar, upright bass, piano Linda McCartney: vocals, keyboards Denny Laine: vocals, guitar Jimmy McCulloch: vocals, guitar Joe English: vocals, drums Steve 'Tex' Howard: trumpet, flugelhorn Thaddeus Richard: saxophone, clarinet, flute Howie Casey: saxophone Tony Dorsey: trombone
Tracklisting: 01 - The Note You Never Wrote 02 - Silly Love Songs 03 - She's My Baby 04 - Beware My Love 05 - Wino Junko
06 - Cook Of The House 07 - Time To Hide 08 - Must Do Something About It 09 - Let 'Em In 10 - San Ferry Anne 11 - Warm And Beautiful
Bonus Tracks: 12.- Walking in the Park with Eloise 46:46 13.- Bridge over the River Suite 49:56 14.- Sally G
Performed by: Tracks 1 - 11 performed by Wings (Paul McCartney, Linda McCartney, Denny Laine, Jimmy McCulloch, Joe English) Tracks 12 & 13 performed by The Country Hams Track 14 performed by Paul McCartney & Wings Denny Laine: Lead Vocal on Tracks 2 & 8 Jimmy McCulloch : Lead Vocal on Track 5 Linda McCartney: Lead Vocal on Track 7. Joe English: Lead Vocal on Track 9 Tony Dorsey, Thaddeus Richard, Steve Howard, Howie Casey: Horns All tracks composed by Paul McCartney except Track 5 composed by McCulloch/Allen. Track 8 composed by Laine. Track 12 composed by James McCartney. Produced by Paul McCartney Engineer: Pete Henderson All tracks published by MPL Communications Ltd except Track 8 published by MPL Communications Ltd / Copyright Control
Wing's fifth album was the first to feature lead vocals by each member of the band. It was recorded and released in 1976, during the 13-month Wings Over The World tour.
The relaxation of Paul McCartney's leadership saw the group become closer to how he originally envisaged Wings. He wished it to become more democratic, with him taking less of a starring role. He didn't sing lead on five of the songs, two of which he had no part in writing.
It was never Paul McCartney & The Beatles, Paul McCartney & The Quarrymen, or Paul McCartney & The Moondogs. Wings is quicker and easier to say, and everybody knows I'm in the group anyway.
Paul McCartney
Wings And The Speed Of Sound was released in 1976, and spawned two transatlantic hit singles in Silly Love Songs and Let 'Em In. It remains one of Wings' most successful albums.
The recording
The first McCartney album to be recorded in Britain since 1973's Red Rose Speedway, Wings At The Speed Of Sound was recorded in two periods at EMI Studios at Abbey Road, London. The sessions took place in September and October 1975, and in January and February 1976.
McCartney later confessed that "the album didn't take long". He began writing material following his family's Hawaiian holiday towards the end of 1975, and recording began prior to the Australian leg of Wings' world tour. Most of the album, however, was assembled in early 1976.
The group's tour commitments didn't allow them to record in a new foreign location, so they opted for the familiarity of Abbey Road. The album was completed in February, and Wings' tour resumed in Denmark in March 1976.
Each of the songs was written by McCartney, apart from Wino Junko, which was by Jimmy McCulloch and Stone The Crows' drummer Colin Allen, and Time To Hide, which was by Denny Laine. Linda McCartney, Laine and Joe English also each sang a song written by McCartney - Cook Of The House, The Note You Never Wrote and Must Do Something About It respectively.
It turned out less of a McCartney production and more of a Wings effort. It wasn't intended like that. There was one of the songs that I had sung but I just let Joe, our drummer, sing it because he's got a very nice voice, and he sang it great. Denny is a natural for a couple of tracks because he is, after all, a lead vocalist. So I wrote one track for him, which I called The Note You Never Wrote and he wrote one track himself, Time To Hide, and then Jimmy, who writes a bit with Colin Allen, did one track this time, Wino Junko. It seems he can't get off the plonk!
Cover artwork
The swift assembly of Wings At The Speed Of Sound extended to the cover artwork. Designed by Hipgnosis and George Hardie, who worked so successfully on Venus And Mars, it had no gatefold sleeve, lyrics or other extras.
The front photograph was of lettering on the marquee in front of the Leicester Square Theatre in London. At the time it was taken the cinema inside was showing The Return Of The Pink Panther starring Peter Sellers.
The rear cover photographs, featuring montages of the Wings band members, were taken by Clive Arrowsmith, and images by Linda McCartney appeared on the inner sleeve and the label. A drawing by Humphrey Ocean surrounded a live photograph of Wings in concert taken by Robert Ellis.
The release
Wings At The Speed Of Sound was released in March 1976 in the United States and United Kingdom. It received mixed reviews, and the reception wasn't helped by EMI reissuing each of The Beatles' singles at the same time, most of which re-entered the charts.
Despite this, Wings At The Speed Of Sound spent 35 weeks in the UK album charts, peaking at number two and becoming the fourth best-selling album of the year.
In the US it spent seven non-consecutive weeks at number one, holding off the new Beatles compilation Rock 'N' Roll Music. It spent a total of 51 weeks on the charts.
The commercial success was helped by the singles Silly Love Songs and Let 'Em In, both of which were huge hits. Silly Love Songs was issued in April 1976, with Cook Of The House on the b-side. It peaked at number two in the UK but topped the US charts, and became one of the biggest-selling singles of the year.
Let 'Em In was issued in June in the US, and the following month in the UK. It appeared at a time when Wings At The Speed Of Sound was beginning to slip down the charts, but its success helped to boost sales further. The single reached number two in the UK and number three in the US.
Silly Love Songs from alstrand.com (Bass Guitar site) The following note from Christopher P. (Duffy) Hughes is regarding Silly Love Songs. Before I print it, I have to add that the bass line in that song is one of his all time best. Even those that despise the campiness of the song have to, I think, tip their hat to the bass line.
Silly Love Songs is not just a silly love song. Using the compartmental song writing he really developed during the Abbey Road period, the use of themes and variations that all meet up in the end are all driven by separate bass lines while singing lead, really makes this one of Paul's all around best songs he ever wrote.
Duffy, your point is a good one. I haven't read this entire site in a while, and I can just hope that I have discussed just how good Paul McCartney is at singing while playing bass. He has ALWAYS been very good at it, right from the first songs available to us. And, it is not easy to play a driving rhythmic instrument while singing melody, I can tell you. Paul McCartney was my inspiration when I first learned to sing and play bass at the same time. I knew how well he did it and it is the standard by which I graded myself. But then, who can sing as good as McCartney? Certainly not me! As Sting says, Paul McCartney is the guvnor.
The legend bass player, who plays Broad Streets - Silly Love Songs is Louis Johnson
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Post by stavros on Dec 31, 2013 18:55:11 GMT -5
Whilst I am convinced Paul conceived and played that bass line on record, and it's pretty tough to play a melodic bass line and sing as well. It is strange how Paul has never played that song "live" since the 1970s though? Correct me if that's wrong/
Anyway who cares I am slightly merry and it's nearly 2014 here in the British Isles so a very happy new years to you all.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 31, 2013 20:43:42 GMT -5
Gee Debjorgo, were you trying to give us a wee little test (lol), don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia....Anyone can get on the site, edit, and can enter what they want.....The guy who entered the info for Silly Love Songs, must have been high or drunk like a skunk (and listening to McCartney/Bee Gees music at the same time in the background...*laugh*)......I'm both a big fan of the The Beatles and the Bee Gees, and also an obsessed *Wings* fan for 40 years, and this is the first time ever hearing Bee Gee's - Barry Gibb on a McCartney album, and also Bee Gee's bass guitarist Harold Cowart ? (died June 27 - 2010 at his home. He was 66).....I've checked all my Wings books and sorry no Barry Gibb ever gets mentioned (except for the movie Sgt Pepper), and even checked on the net, and sorry no Gibb/Cowart name was ever mentioned for the song (except for Wiki?)..........
It was no test. I'm a fan of wiki's. It's my go-to place for stuff like this. Maybe you should get high as a skunk and re-write the page. No, I did not believe it. I would have been quite the let-down if it had proven correct. I was hoping someone here would set it straight. Can't we report this? I donated $5 to wiki for their drive.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 31, 2013 20:58:02 GMT -5
Stavros, I think the reason Paul has not played SLS since the 70's is all the cr@p he got from the know-it-all critics - "There goes Paul again, playing his silly love songs again...". I figured Paul felt he didn't need to deal with that -he had too many other songs to play. Besides, it may be too painful for him now that Linda is no longer around to sing harmony....
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 31, 2013 21:11:29 GMT -5
I started a discussion in the "Talk" tab of the wiki page. It says to assume good faith and to not get confrontational. "Seek dispute resolution" if needed.
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Post by sallyg on Jan 1, 2014 7:59:06 GMT -5
This is the first time I heard this about Silly Love Songs. Whoever wrote that is in error. Wikipedia cannot be trusted as a reliable source. College professors adamently discourage anyone from citing Wikipedia as a source because anyone can put information on it and these people are not credible experts. One college professor once told me that Wikipedia is piffle (nonsense).
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Post by acebackwords on Jan 1, 2014 16:47:12 GMT -5
I've never heard that. I wonder where it comes from. It's not listing the batch of people who played it in Broad Street, is it? Or the live version on Wings Over America. Paul plays the bass on it and it sounds pretty close. The wiki for At the Speed of Sound says it's produced by Paul, Barry Gibb and a couple of other guys. On paulmccartney.com it just says it's produced by Paul McCartney. Could this just be a Bee Gees fan who's written the wiki and overstating the importance of Gibb? Cowart was playing with them at the time. I've read quotes from Barry Gibb that he (a huge Paul fan) approached Paul several times over the years and was rudely rebuffed and dismissed by Paul. I'm a huge Bee Gees fan myself.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 1, 2014 17:34:50 GMT -5
Did Paul even acknowledge Barry the other night on Saturday Night live, when they all came on stage at the end?
If I remember right, he didn't. I may be wrong though. He may have kissed him.
I'm a fan of the Bee Gees, especially the old stuff. I like some of the disco era songs. But at their best, they were imitation Beatles, second tier. That said, I respect any band that has that many hits over that many years.
This is Where I Came In from 2001 was an awesome song.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 1, 2014 18:06:07 GMT -5
Did Paul even acknowledge Barry the other night on Saturday Night live, when they all came on stage at the end? If I remember right, he didn't. I may be wrong though. He may have kissed him. I'm a fan of the Bee Gees, especially the old stuff. I like some of the disco era songs. But at their best, they were imitation Beatles, second tier. That said, I respect any band that has that many hits over that many years. This is Where I Came In from 2001 was an awesome song. I thought this might had been posted here somewhere already. Ursamajor posted it a while back on a Bee Gees thread. I hadn't heard it yet at the time and liked it a lot. It was on a greatest hits set I had just gotten so eventually I would had picked up on it.
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 1, 2014 18:31:18 GMT -5
Did Paul even acknowledge Barry the other night on Saturday Night live, when they all came on stage at the end? If I remember right, he didn't. I may be wrong though. He may have kissed him. I'm a fan of the Bee Gees, especially the old stuff. I like some of the disco era songs. But at their best, they were imitation Beatles, second tier. That said, I respect any band that has that many hits over that many years. This is Where I Came In from 2001 was an awesome song. I thought this might had been posted here somewhere already. Ursamajor posted it a while back on a Bee Gees thread. I hadn't heard it yet at the time and liked it a lot. It was on a greatest hits set I had just gotten so eventually I would had picked up on it. Yeah I did, it's an awesome song really like it. I'm a big fan of the Bee Gee's disco era and then their second wave of popularity from You Win Again onwards. I saw a Barry Gibb documentary a few months back and he is now the last brother standing , very moving doc. When the Bee Gees lived in Sydney they lived in a house 5 minutes away from where I live which I pass on the bus "On My Way to Work" everyday
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 1, 2014 21:53:09 GMT -5
Did Paul even acknowledge Barry the other night on Saturday Night live, when they all came on stage at the end? If I remember right, he didn't. I may be wrong though. He may have kissed him. I'm a fan of the Bee Gees, especially the old stuff. I like some of the disco era songs. But at their best, they were imitation Beatles, second tier. That said, I respect any band that has that many hits over that many years. This is Where I Came In from 2001 was an awesome song. I disagree with ya Deborgo with BG's being imitation Beatles, I don't know where this originated from, but in my opinion its all crap........I loved and grew up with the Bee Gees as a kid, they had their own sound, wrote their own songs (IMO, I regard them 2nd to Lennon & McCartney as all time greatest songwriters), and they were awesome singers... I still rate them as 2nd to The Beatles, as the all time greatest band..... This is the only dig/fallout? I know that McCartney & Gibb had (in which I posted couple of years ago), but apart from that, they (BG's & The Fabs) were very good friends, likewise with the Monkees...... Barry Gibb - Interview (1993)
Q: A few years back, you expressed a desire to produce McCartney-and he got miffed about it.
Barry: He's always under the wrong impression that we'd criticised one of his albums. The fact is, we'd never heard the album he was pissed off about. I'd heard one song, Hope Of Deliverance, which I thought was going to be a Number 1.....
Maurice and Robin had heard in and didn't think it was going to be. Anyway, some reporter was interviewing us that week and we'd only talked about this one song; Maurice or Robin said something like, "It would be great for McCartney to work with somebody who would really push him harder than he pushes himself." I thought that was a fair comment-not a criticism as such. I think Lennon was always more muscular than McCartney. He challenged Paul. I think that now Paul is so ingrained in our lives and in our souls that he's of the belief that no-one else can push him. I just disagree with that belief. But I think the reporter told him we'd criticized his album, and he said something like, "Oh well, they can f*ck off then." We sent a little note saying that we were in fact probably the three biggest fans he's ever had, that we would never have criticized his work and still wouldn't, and he sent another note saying, "Well, you can still f*ck off," ha ha. So I just thought, Never mind, these things happen. But I dearly wish that he knew the truth. I've always loved Paul. If I ever bump into him again, I'll try to tell him, but I doubt that he'll listen...... Recent photo of them hugging each other on the Jimmy Fallon Show...... I like *Where I Came In from 2001*, but my other favourite is Maurice's *Man In The Middle*, which came out, during this period......
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Post by acebackwords on Jan 1, 2014 22:31:36 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that Barry quote, Rockoroll. Thats the quote I was referring to.
Theres this big black guy whos always panhandling on Telegraph Avene in Berkeley. And hes always blasting out tunes on his ghetto blaster. Every song is by a black artist: James Brown, Barry White, Motown, Michael Jackson, etc. Except for "Whatcha Doing On Your Back You Should Be Dancing" by the Brothers Gibb. Which be plays over and over.
Dont let nobody tell ya the Bee Gees aint hip!!
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 1, 2014 22:37:58 GMT -5
I disagree with ya Deborgo with BG's being imitation Beatles, I don't know where this originated from, but in my opinion its all crap........I loved and grew up with the Bee Gees as a kid, they had there own sound, wrote there own songs (IMO, I regard them 2nd to Lennon & McCartney as all time greatest songwriters), and they were awesome singers...
I still rate them as 2nd to The Beatles, as the all time greatest band.....
This is the only dig/fallout? I know that McCartney & Gibb had (in which I posted couple of years ago), but apart from that, they (BG's & The Fabs) were very good friends, likewise with the Monkees......
It probably was just the English (to our American ears) accent. Their late '60s, early '70s songs had a pop song style craftmanship that was not unlike early-mid period Beatles. I don't think at the time is was a putdown saying they were Beat-ly. But I think as time goes by these groups viewed as sound-alikes tend to lose their spot in history. Which rock stars will stand the test of time? Elvis, Beatles, Dylan, the Stones... Sorry, the door shut. The Bee Gees second act was the Disco era. I think they may have a mention there.
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Post by sallyg on Jan 2, 2014 7:07:12 GMT -5
Recent photo of them hugging each other on the Jimmy Fallon Show...... I like *Where I Came In from 2001*, but my other favourite is Maurice's *Man In The Middle*, which came out, during this period...... The photo you posted was from SNL (Dec 2013) not the Jimmy Fallon Show. Jimmy was the host of SNL for that show.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 2, 2014 7:31:11 GMT -5
The photo you posted was from SNL (Dec 2013) not the Jimmy Fallon Show. Jimmy was the host of SNL for that show. FYI, Wasn't my post. But I'd say it was the Jimmy Fallon (SNL) Show!
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 2, 2014 7:40:29 GMT -5
Thx Sallyg & Debjorgo in correcting me on whatever show they both (Paul & Barry) were on......Problem here is, where banned in seeing (or opening the links) with any of his (Jimmy Fallon's) shows in Australia.....?
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 2, 2014 11:54:08 GMT -5
I don't blame Paul for the terse reply to the Brothers Gibb on their dissing Off The Ground. Who were they in 1993 to diss Paul? 1977 maybe but not by 1993.
I thought the Paul/Barry hug on SNL was perfunctory and rather awkward. If Barry still looked like the Greek God he did in 1977 and still had some hits then it would be different. Today he just looks creepy with that combed back white hair and carrying the extra lbs. as he does. Looks a parody of himself really.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 3, 2014 4:21:20 GMT -5
His face has gone like Chevy Chase's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 5:47:53 GMT -5
I don't blame Paul for the terse reply to the Brothers Gibb on their dissing Off The Ground. Who were they in 1993 to diss Paul? 1977 maybe but not by 1993. I thought the Paul/Barry hug on SNL was perfunctory and rather awkward. If Barry still looked like the Greek God he did in 1977 and still had some hits then it would be different. Today he just looks creepy with that combed back white hair and carrying the extra lbs. as he does. Looks a parody of himself really. I agree. Who is the dude that BG is hugging, he's not looking his best either, he must spend a fortune on hair dye, it looks worse than the BG do....
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 3, 2014 8:39:21 GMT -5
You broke the resolution fabby!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 3, 2014 10:15:17 GMT -5
You broke the resolution fabby! Oh well, we tried. And it did last a day or two, at least. I don't blame FabFour though -- we're all human, and what do some here expect people to do, all get lobotomies so that we think, act, and conduct ourselves a certain way? Inhuman, I tell ya! One thing I'd like to say to Fabby though, regarding his last comment -- at least Paul these days looks better than George does. Imagine Harri hugging Barry !!!
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Post by sayne on Jan 3, 2014 11:07:07 GMT -5
..."Well, you can still f*ck off," ha ha. So I just thought, Never mind, these things happen . . . I remember reading this way back, too. I don't know. When I saw it, I thought it was a humorous way for Paul to say, "Got it, no problem." It would be like having a good friend of mine apologizing to me and then I say, "Give me a hug, you wanker son of a bitch." That final "ha ha" of Paul's makes me think all was good.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 3, 2014 12:24:17 GMT -5
..."Well, you can still f*ck off," ha ha. So I just thought, Never mind, these things happen . . . I remember reading this way back, too. I don't know. When I saw it, I thought it was a humorous way for Paul to say, "Got it, no problem." It would be like having a good friend of mine apologizing to me and then I say, "Give me a hug, you wanker son of a bitch." That final "ha ha" of Paul's makes me think all was good. That's true. Things sometimes look heavier in black and white print. I am still not sure why the Bee Gees would have gone down that path unless they were dead intent to make a point with Paul. They would have known Paul doesn't handle any criticism well.
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