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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 29, 2014 6:20:59 GMT -5
Also not sure why it matters, as Paul intends to put all his albums out in this series anyway. I pray we get to WWL and RRS but I am afraid this re-issue series will peter out due to the utter and complete apathy towards the handful of earlier re-issues of Macca's solo albums. I don't think so, because this is more of a vanity project (and I don't mean that to be an insult to Paul as it may read) , where I think he wants to leave this Earth knowing that all his work is properly represented; I think the "success" of the releases is secondary. But I would also like to ask you a few things: 1) How do you know these efforts are met with "utter and complete apathy"? 2) Even if people are largely indifferent to the releases... what else would you expect? These are expensive items, and are "strictly for the hardcore Paul McCartney collector", and not the latest Niki Minaj fan... 3) If you think the releases so far have been met with apathy, what do you think is going to happen when your favorite lackluster albums like WINGS WILD LIFE and RED ROSE SPEEDWAY are put out as new releases? If you had your way I'm sure you would have preferred WWL to be one of the FIRST releases - but that would surely have sank this whole project like cement in water, if you want to talk about "apathy"! You truly baffle me at times, JSD.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 29, 2014 10:21:50 GMT -5
But I would also like to ask you a few things: 1) How do you know these efforts are met with "utter and complete apathy"? 2) Even if people are largely indifferent to the releases... what else would you expect? These are expensive items, and are "strictly for the hardcore Paul McCartney collector", and not the latest Niki Minaj fan... 3) If you think the releases so far have been met with apathy, what do you think is going to happen when your favorite lackluster albums like WINGS WILD LIFE and RED ROSE SPEEDWAY are put out as new releases? If you had your way I'm sure you would have preferred WWL to be one of the FIRST releases - but that would surely have sank this whole project like cement in water, if you want to talk about "apathy"! You truly baffle me at times, JSD. 1) How do you know these efforts are met with "utter and complete apathy"? I have read here and elsewhere that sales have been "disappointing" and the schedules are off from what was originally announced if I am not mistaken. This recent delay doesn't add confidence.2) Even if people are largely indifferent to the releases... what else would you expect? These are expensive items, and are "strictly for the hardcore Paul McCartney collector", and not the latest Niki Minaj fan... I would expect these to chart fairly well on Billboard 200. Certainly not in the Top 10 or 20 but in the Top 100. Go to Billboard 200 today and see all the classic rock compilations that are charting. Led Zeppelin recently had some good chart success with their re-issued regular albums. But we are talking Paul McCartney, a living deity! 3) If you think the releases so far have been met with apathy, what do you think is going to happen when your favorite lackluster albums like WINGS WILD LIFE and RED ROSE SPEEDWAY are put out as new releases? I sincerely believe that with the re-emergence of modern indie Folk Rock, WWL would finally be appreciated by music buyers and Paul may actually get a hit album from the two CD version(I realize the deluxe boxset won't sell in such volume). WWL is like a new album because only about five of us(you included, Joe) have listened to it carefully and more than once! It could now get a fair shake which it never had from the Beatles snobs and Rock Press who thought Paul wasn't radical enough thus not worthy of their praise. WWL sounds so fresh and contemporary to what is going on today with groups like The Avett Brothers The Wild Feathers, The Lumineers, Of Monsters And Men, The Decemberists and scores of others yet it is 41 years old!
Kids 18 to 30 would hear WWL for the first time in 2014 and go, "Shit, this is from December 1971?! Paul McCartney is a visionary!" I confidently predict that if the suits in the record company gave WWL any publicity, Paul would have a hit album because even old farts like some of our Firsties here would realize their folly in ignoring it back then. WWL really is a new album because no one knows it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 30, 2014 17:15:12 GMT -5
I have read here and elsewhere that sales have been "disappointing" and the schedules are off from what was originally announced if I am not mistaken. This recent delay doesn't add confidence. The delay may not mean much of anything. Rob Leonard said on his show last night that he heard it had something to do with packaging, or something along those lines. Personally, if I'm going to buy these I would rather they be issued November instead. You cannot compare Led Zeppelin's classic album catalogue with Wings. And bear in mind too that Paul is viewed as 1/4 of The Beatles. Like I said before, if we were comparing BEATLES ARCHIVES and it sold as poorly, you might have a bit more of a point in comparing it to Zep. I mean, do you think Robert Plant's solo work would do as well as the Zeppelin Classics? VERY wishful thinking (if not complete tongue in cheek). WWL will really not do well... even worse than what you feel these others have done so far. That is my prediction.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 30, 2014 22:18:34 GMT -5
Joe, you know me and I am a lover of 2014 Indie Folk Rock and the kids that dig that would also dig Wings Wild Life!
I never jest when it comes to WWL!
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 31, 2014 2:44:58 GMT -5
Quite right too. It's no laughing matter.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 28, 2014 7:25:26 GMT -5
Oh great, Steve reports that inserts to the re-issued V&M and SOS say Tug of War and Pipes of Peace are next but despite those inserts, the Record Company says that is not for sure. WTF?! Then why stick those inserts in there?! First off, where the hell is Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway? And why TOW and POP where Paul decided he would duet with other superstars to ensure #1 singles? I loved TOW at the time but I don't think it has aged well and frankly I was embarrassed by much of POP back then as a college student. My friends at school were playing young R.E.M. or U2 or the emerging Hip Hop scene like Run-D.M.C. And I come running into the dorm room with, "Hey fellows dig Paul McCartney's new song 'Say Say Say, let's dance, and let's crank 'So Bad' out the windows into the dorm courtyard to show how cool we are!" Nah, the only album that was reviled on campus even more than POP was Ringo's Stop And Smell The Roses! I want Postulate Era Paul and NOW!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 28, 2014 8:30:15 GMT -5
First off, where the hell is Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway? And why TOW and POP where Paul decided he would duet with other superstars to ensure #1 singles? I loved TOW at the time but I don't think it has aged well and frankly I was embarrassed by much of POP back then as a college student. My friends at school were playing young R.E.M. or U2 or the emerging Hip Hop scene like Run-D.M.C. Be this as it may (and I agree that TUG OF WAR was better at the time than it is now), Paul is going to concentrate on the albums which he feels are his most popular, or best critically, or otherwise noteworthy. So I would not be surprised if TUG OF WAR was to be next, along with PIPES OF PEACE in the sense that both of these albums go together hand in hand (sort of like now MACCA II ties in with McCARTNEY ). I'm sorry to remind you of this again, JSD, but even though some of us like WILD LIFE, it's just not on the list of priorities for Paul (and I wouldn't mind being proven wrong). Yes, we need to run into dorms singing "Bip Bop" and "Mumbo"! If you read Ron Schaumburg's GROWING UP WITH THE BEATLES, he said his dorm mates felt just as put off by "crap" like WILD LIFE !
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 28, 2014 10:58:30 GMT -5
My desire for WWL and RRS to be re-issued is in part for the sake of a cogent chronology plan as Macca I, Ram, BOTR, WOA and Macca II(bizarrely unless Paul wanted the two Maccas redone close in time) have thus far got the restoration treatment. V&M and SOS will next week.
Does anyone see a gap somewhere, some missing link, besides London Town and Back To The Egg?
Second, the sonics are already pretty good on TOW and POP. Admittedly WWL and RRS sound decent for CDs that have been out for sometime, even their configurations in the subsequent "McCartney Collection Series, " but they are showing their age.
Most importantly, a re-issue of these two albums would complete their rehabilitation with Beatle people and also modern music lovers. Freed from the chains of The Beatles that enslaved these two albums in 1971 and 1973, re-issues of WWL and RRS would give most folks essentially two new Paul albums to love and savor really for the first time, as most ignored those albums, especially WWL, upon release because of the Rock Press and peer pressure.
I certainly grooved to TOW back in 1982 but man, the two songs with Stevie Wonder sound dated and out-of-place. POP was just disappointing, an obvious TOW, Part II, with freak Michael Jackson now substituted for Stevie Wonder.
A re-issued, sonically enhanced Wings Wild Life will turn heads, it will fit right in with today's Album Oriented Indie Folk-Rock scene! RRS was already a monster hit, a Billboard Top 200 #1 album producing a #1 single. It needs no apology.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 28, 2014 12:01:49 GMT -5
I certainly grooved to TOW back in 1982 but man, the two songs with Stevie Wonder sound dated and out-of-place. . I've never understood the "dated" philosophy. When I hear a 1950's doo-wop song, I don't try to feel like it's a 2014 song (and who on Earth would want one anyway? )... same thing with playing a Disco song today, or those two TOW Stevie Wonder songs.... they're 1982, not 2014. Same thing as watching a Western Movie set in the 1880's and saying "-- but everything's so dated". Or a 1970s movie -- "---look at the clothes; so dated!"..
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 28, 2014 12:16:54 GMT -5
Hey don't get me wrong, those increasingly rare times when I do go clubbing in Chicago or Atlanta, I always hand the DJ a mix I put together of "What's That You're Doing?" that I can really dance to. But sitting in my living room or in the car, that song just doesn't do it to me like it did in 1982.
And while "Ebony and Ivory" is an underrated social justice song, it probably wasn't angry enough.
That's why I hope Paul's next album has some music from him and Kanye West on it. I think it would be a tougher sound than what Paul achieved with either Stevie or MJ.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 29, 2014 11:15:09 GMT -5
There is a free download of an extended Letting Go track on paulmccartney.com. The link was posted on facebook. Letting Go
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Post by sallyg on Nov 4, 2014 15:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 4, 2014 21:59:03 GMT -5
Thanks Sally.
I did freak out today and bought the deluxe V&M and SOS packages from PopMarket for like $65.00 each.
In no way does this mean I am backing away from The JSD Postulate but I was having a bad day, I thought the price was right and I snapped both up.
I am weak. But now I do have moral standing to scream even louder for the re-issue of Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway before crappy, wimpy early 1980's Paul albums
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Post by Panther on Nov 5, 2014 7:57:21 GMT -5
I understand Paul wanting to hide the existence of 'Wings Wild Life' since it was commercially disappointing (by Beatles' standards) and because Paul rates his successes and failures according to how much money he made.
But I can't understand why he isn't going to town on 'Red Rose Speedway'. Wasn't it a huge #1 album with a #1 single? (looks it up on Wiki) Album was UK#5 and US#1. Also Spain #1, Canada #2, Australia #2. It went platinum in Canada and Gold in the US/UK. I remember reading that 'My Love' sold something like 2 million copies, just by itself.
With all this in mind, why would Paul be skipping over this one?
(Having said that, I think 'Wild Life' is a much better album. 'Venus & Mars' and 'Tug of War' are the kind of albums that appeal to people who were young at the time and want to re-live their youth, but 'Wild Life' has a timeless sound and would be engaging to today's critical and knowledgeable music fans. 'Wild Life' is Paul's last "classic rock"-sounding album; 'Some Time in New York City' is John's; 'Material World' is George's. The albums after that sound like 70s' albums.)
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2014 12:04:20 GMT -5
I understand Paul wanting to hide the existence of 'Wings Wild Life' since it was commercially disappointing (by Beatles' standards) and because Paul rates his successes and failures according to how much money he made. But I can't understand why he isn't going to town on 'Red Rose Speedway'. Wasn't it a huge #1 album with a #1 single? (looks it up on Wiki) Album was UK#5 and US#1. Also Spain #1, Canada #2, Australia #2. It went platinum in Canada and Gold in the US/UK. I remember reading that 'My Love' sold something like 2 million copies, just by itself. With all this in mind, why would Paul be skipping over this one? (Having said that, I think 'Wild Life' is a much better album. 'Venus & Mars' and 'Tug of War' are the kind of albums that appeal to people who were young at the time and want to re-live their youth, but 'Wild Life' has a timeless sound and would be engaging to today's critical and knowledgeable music fans. 'Wild Life' is Paul's last "classic rock"-sounding album; 'Some Time in New York City' is John's; 'Material World' is George's. The albums after that sound like 70s' albums.) Great points, Panther! I have screamed for years that if a Paul album didn't hit #1 then Paul himself banishes that album to The Paul McCartney Self-Imposed Graveyard of Unloved Albums and even though us fans may love music off those albums, we certainly will never hear Paul do any material off those albums live. And yes, RRS was a monster hit in 1973 and "My Love" was a monster single, both #1's in the U.S. and solid hits elsewhere as you have written. But Paul drinks the BOTR Kool-Aid from the music critics and certain fans whose conventional wisdom goes:: BOTR and thereafter Beatles-worthy, all albums before just Paulie screwing around trying to find himself. I have so disagreed with that thinking, believing they have it "ass-backwards."
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2014 12:09:31 GMT -5
(Having said that, I think 'Wild Life' is a much better album. 'Venus & Mars' and 'Tug of War' are the kind of albums that appeal to people who were young at the time and want to re-live their youth, but 'Wild Life' has a timeless sound and would be engaging to today's critical and knowledgeable music fans. 'Wild Life' is Paul's last "classic rock"-sounding album; 'Some Time in New York City' is John's; 'Material World' is George's. The albums after that sound like 70s' albums.) And truer words have never before been written on the internet! I think "Wild Life" would so fit in with today's contemporary, album oriented, indie Folk/Rock scene. Those songs sound so fresh, the production style so uncluttered unlike BOTR which has that sterile, dead George Martin/Abbey Road Studios sound that John Lennon was always trying to get away from as a solo artist(albeit with mixed success).
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Post by stavros on Nov 5, 2014 14:54:04 GMT -5
(Having said that, I think 'Wild Life' is a much better album. 'Venus & Mars' and 'Tug of War' are the kind of albums that appeal to people who were young at the time and want to re-live their youth, but 'Wild Life' has a timeless sound and would be engaging to today's critical and knowledgeable music fans. 'Wild Life' is Paul's last "classic rock"-sounding album; 'Some Time in New York City' is John's; 'Material World' is George's. The albums after that sound like 70s' albums.) And truer words have never before been written on the internet! I think "Wild Life" would so fit in with today's contemporary, album oriented, indie Folk/Rock scene. Those songs sound so fresh, the production style so uncluttered unlike BOTR which has that sterile, dead George Martin/Abbey Road Studios sound that John Lennon was always trying to get away from as a solo artist(albeit with mixed success). 'Wild Life' may never get the popular re-appraisal that 'Ram' did a while back but it is a cool little album and deserves to be heard by a wider audience. It's still Paul McCartney but he's a touch rougher than we are used to. I have nothing against 'Beatle Paul' because I do enjoy 'Band on the Run'. 'Venus and Mars' was a good follow up but not quite on the same level. Whilst "Speed of Sound" is the dodgy last in the trio of those albums. The three albums behind Wings' World Tour whilst post-Beatles Paul was at the peak of his popularity. By the 1980s Paul had gone from 'Wild Life' to 'Mild Life'. One thing that sticks out with Paul's massive catalogue is that he rarely does Compilation Albums. We've had 'live' albums, seemingly from everywhere but his own bathroom. But, here in the UK, all we've had is 'Wings Greatest' from the 1970s, 'All the Best' from the 1980s and 'Wingspan' in the early 2000s. All three of them concentrate heavily on the 1970s releases. I am not really sure why.
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Post by Panther on Nov 5, 2014 17:51:38 GMT -5
But Paul drinks the BOTR Kool-Aid from the music critics and certain fans Sentence of the year! And Stavros makes an interesting point about Paul's post-1982 hits rarely ever appearing in compilations. I guess Paul is very aware that his sales started to dry up at that point. Is the most successful songwriter in history really that insecure about releasing a comp of hits that sold only 500,000 copies instead of 2,000,000?
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 5, 2014 18:52:54 GMT -5
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Post by sallyg on Nov 5, 2014 22:07:58 GMT -5
Thanks Sally. I did freak out today and bought the deluxe V&M and SOS packages from PopMarket for like $65.00 each. In no way does this mean I am backing away from The JSD Postulate but I was having a bad day, I thought the price was right and I snapped both up. I am weak. But now I do have moral standing to scream even louder for the re-issue of Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway before crappy, wimpy early 1980's Paul albums Personally I really like Red Rose Speedway and Wild Life. As far as the next potential reissues, I like Tug of War but Pipes of Peace is one of my least favorite McCartney albums.
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Post by sallyg on Nov 5, 2014 22:08:46 GMT -5
Thanks, for anyone who would like to know, Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound reissues are on Spotify.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2014 22:53:41 GMT -5
Whoa, I've got several thoughts here: 1. This alt "Rock Show" is stripped down thus kicks ass over the bloated, over-produced V&M version! 2. If Paul released this hard-rocking version in 1975 instead of the bloated album version, I wouldn't have gotten my ass kicked as much by the older guys on my school bus who hated Paul McCartney because they loved 1975 Heavy Metal! 3. Paul still does that candy-ass talk part even in this cool alt version. "In my green metal suit...." is all bullshit talk! 4. Hey, I like free shit like the next dude but I just spent $130.00 on Macca's two new boxes so are none of these free downloads on the shit I just bought?
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 5, 2014 23:05:21 GMT -5
Thanks, for anyone who would like to know, Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound reissues are on Spotify. I think Taylor Swift wants us to boycott Spotify. I'm waiting for the discs in the mail. I'm all about the physical media.
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 5, 2014 23:12:46 GMT -5
Hmm, you can get just the bonus tracks on iTunes.
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 5, 2014 23:46:43 GMT -5
Here you go. Something I was getting at in another post. See if you get my gist.
On the iTunes Speed of Sound page"
"Listeners Also Bought"
"I'd Really Love to See You Tonight" - England Dan & John "Just Remember I Love You" - Firefall "My Sweet Lord" - George Harrison "On and On" - Stephen Bishop "You Make Me Fell Like Dancin'" - Leo Sayer "Tin Man" - America ...etc.
Do you see what I'm getting at here? I guess if I bought some England Dan music, they'd recommend Paul.
Dylan is grouped with Tom Petty, The Stones, Jack White, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 7:05:08 GMT -5
M A re-issued, sonically enhanced Wings Wild Life will turn heads, it will fit right in with today's Album Oriented Indie Folk-Rock scene! RRS was already a monster hit, a Billboard Top 200 #1 album producing a #1 single. It needs no apology. A re-issued WWL would turn heads alright,........................ away from the noise
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 6, 2014 7:18:41 GMT -5
A re-issued WWL would turn heads alright,........................ away from the noise Unlike EXTRA TEXTURE and DARK HORSE.. right?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 6, 2014 7:24:32 GMT -5
Whoa, I've got several thoughts here: 1. This alt "Rock Show" is stripped down thus kicks ass over the bloated, over-produced V&M version! 2. If Paul released this hard-rocking version in 1975 instead of the bloated album version, I wouldn't have gotten my ass kicked as much by the older guys on my school bus who hated Paul McCartney because they loved 1975 Heavy Metal! 3. Paul still does that candy-ass talk part even in this cool alt version. "In my green metal suit...." is all bullshit talk! 4. Hey, I like free shit like the next dude but I just spent $130.00 on Macca's two new boxes so are none of these free downloads on the shit I just bought? I agree about this bogus "downloads" stuff, even if they are free. I don't do downloads, and when you pay a hefty price for the actual DELUXE SETS, all the extras ought to be included there, too. I don't consider inferior downloads "official". I don't have these new sets yet. But I heard the version of "Rockshow" on Rob Leonard's program, and was underwhelmed the first time. It sounds much more tame than the album version.
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Post by sallyg on Nov 6, 2014 11:35:48 GMT -5
Thanks, for anyone who would like to know, Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound reissues are on Spotify. I think Taylor Swift wants us to boycott Spotify. I'm waiting for the discs in the mail. I'm all about the physical media. I thought people may want to listen to it on Spotify while waiting for their orders to arrive. LOL I prefer physical product myself.
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Post by sallyg on Nov 6, 2014 11:39:54 GMT -5
Whoa, I've got several thoughts here: 1. This alt "Rock Show" is stripped down thus kicks ass over the bloated, over-produced V&M version! 2. If Paul released this hard-rocking version in 1975 instead of the bloated album version, I wouldn't have gotten my ass kicked as much by the older guys on my school bus who hated Paul McCartney because they loved 1975 Heavy Metal! 3. Paul still does that candy-ass talk part even in this cool alt version. "In my green metal suit...." is all bullshit talk! 4. Hey, I like free shit like the next dude but I just spent $130.00 on Macca's two new boxes so are none of these free downloads on the shit I just bought? I agree about this bogus "downloads" stuff, even if they are free. I don't do downloads, and when you pay a hefty price for the actual DELUXE SETS, all the extras ought to be included there, too. I don't consider inferior downloads "official". I don't have these new sets yet. But I heard the version of "Rockshow" on Rob Leonard's program, and was underwhelmed the first time. It sounds much more tame than the album version. I think only Letting Go and Rockshow downloads are on Venus and Mars too. Love My Baby is on neither reissue.
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