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Post by debjorgo on Sept 23, 2014 18:37:17 GMT -5
I was interested in this free EP. I figured it was cover songs. 4 songs:
Love Call Me Back Again Let it Down Walk With You
When I got it downloaded, I found out the various artists were John, Paul, George and Ringo.
I guess if you don't have the tracks already, this is pretty cool.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 23, 2014 21:58:42 GMT -5
I was interested in this free EP. I figured it was cover songs. 4 songs: Love Call Me Back Again Let it Down Walk With You When I got it downloaded, I found out the various artists were John, Paul, George and Ringo. I guess if you don't have the tracks already, this is pretty cool. You get Paul & Ringo on the Walk With You Track. How did ITunes get permission to release this EP Collection from Apple/Sony?
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Post by OldFred on Sept 24, 2014 9:12:17 GMT -5
I downloaded it. It's pretty good, I like the song selection and it flows nicely. Yes, I have these songs already and I could have put it together myself, but hey, it was free. Besides, outside of bootlegs like the Alpha Omega set, I think this is the first official release to feature solo material by each Beatle in one collection.
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Post by stavros on Sept 24, 2014 14:46:11 GMT -5
It seems to be simply a promotional effort to attract attention to the Solo Beatles stores on I-Tunes at the moment.
But could this eventually open a marketing opportunity that vastly expands the potential for Beatles output by combining more solo efforts?
There are still a few goodies left in the cupboard for hardcore fans. But even the "Let it Be" Blu-Ray (if it ever materialises - my hunch is I might have retired by the time it does!)is probably limited in sales potential. A Beatles promo film collection has probably missed it's chance to sell in the millions as well.
Packaging the solo songs together opens up new mass market opportunities to those who stop listening after Let it Be. But perhaps even the horse has bolted on this idea as well now when we can simply download one track at a time.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 25, 2014 3:22:17 GMT -5
I can see the point of it as a promotional tool, but on any other basis it seems completely pointless, with a selection of tracks which could have been MUCH better.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 27, 2014 9:07:11 GMT -5
I can see the point of it as a promotional tool, but on any other basis it seems completely pointless, with a selection of tracks which could have been MUCH better. They could have used the most obvious tracks and didn't. As a fan, I think that's great and opens people up to new treats. I think it's a good thing.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 28, 2014 8:52:52 GMT -5
I think a selection of non-obvious tracks could have been MUCH better.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 28, 2014 10:01:35 GMT -5
Well, the obvious tracks would have been Imagine, Band on the Run, Got My Mind Set on You and Photograph.
Most people haven't heard any of the songs on 4.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 28, 2014 12:17:06 GMT -5
Well, the obvious tracks would have been Imagine, Band on the Run, Got My Mind Set on You and Photograph. Most people haven't heard any of the songs on 4. Didn't you mean; Your "obvious" tracks.....
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 28, 2014 15:04:53 GMT -5
Well, the obvious tracks would have been Imagine, Band on the Run, Got My Mind Set on You and Photograph. Most people haven't heard any of the songs on 4. Didn't you mean; Your "obvious" tracks..... I think if you'd named 50 tracks that they might have used, you would not have gotten one of these.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 30, 2014 18:47:49 GMT -5
Four is #7 on iTunes album chart.
Oh wait. That's One Direction's album, not the solo Beatles.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 30, 2014 21:10:44 GMT -5
I downloaded it. The George track was a good choice I guess although it is always an ATMP track whenever George is remembered. The Ringo track is meh. The funny thing on Paul's is that when you download these songs, it says on your iTunes songs' list that you have four songs by John Lennon, George Harrison, Ringo Starr and Wings! LMFAO! I bet Paul hates that! Remember how he fights for "McCartney/Lennon?" Now he will be in a fight with himself for Paul McCartney not Wings. "Ignore that 'Wings' credit, it was really me, Paulie, who made "Call Me Back Again." And for John, of course a slow dirge-like ballad. Why couldn't it have been "New York City" or "Bring on the Lucie (Freeda Peeple)" or "Meat City" or "Gimme Some Truth" or any other damn great solo Lennon song with a pulse? No we get angelic solo John again, and again, and again! I don't know, there are much better obscure solo songs than these four. Only George's was okay. And as I write this, we don't have one from Paul, just one from Wings!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 1, 2014 6:05:21 GMT -5
I bet Paul hates that! Remember how he fights for "McCartney/Lennon?" Now he will be in a fight with himself for Paul McCartney not Wings. "Ignore that 'Wings' credit, it was really me, Paulie, who made "Call Me Back Again." But yet, in concert Paul always introduced "Too Many People" as "here's one for the Wings fans!", even though RAM was always only Paul (and Linda)... I also think "Walk With You" is a great choice. A real good, hit-worthy song from Ringo (with Paul, too).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 1, 2014 6:17:40 GMT -5
"An EP"?? -- As a Vinyl Collector, for me if it ain't on a physically collectible record, it don't count. But otherwise, this is an interesting collection of solo songs. I think JSD had a good point about John's "Love" being a typically lamentable slow song... however, for many who have never heard that song, it was a revelation. I'm very surprised that "Call Me Back Again" was included here... I like the song myself, but I'm guessing it won't be suitable for most tastes (I hope I'm wrong).
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Post by joeyself on Oct 1, 2014 7:22:37 GMT -5
I'm underwhelmed. But then, I would be, having owned 3/4 of these for decades. I played Y NOT once when I bought it in a used shop, and haven't listened to it again, so I didn't really know Ringo's entry.
I know I'm not the intended consumer for this, so I'm trying to put myself in the position of the one making the decision as to what to include. If you assume the "big hit single" wasn't going to be used, and if you assume the entire catalog of each is available, I'd say "Love" for Lennon is a decent choice, although I personally think "Remember" is the best song on POB. I'd take the overlooked gem from LITMW "Don't Let Me Wait Too Long" for George, "I Don't Believe You" for Ringo from TIME TAKES TIME and "Too Much Rain" from Paul's C&C.
Then again, the one compiling it may have been told by McCartney, Starr, Ono and Harrison (Olivia and/or Dhani) which song THEY wanted to showcase.
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 1, 2014 7:31:00 GMT -5
I'm underwhelmed. But then, I would be, having owned 3/4 of these for decades. I played Y NOT once when I bought it in a used shop, and haven't listened to it again, so I didn't really know Ringo's entry. I know I'm not the intended consumer for this, so I'm trying to put myself in the position of the one making the decision as to what to include. If you assume the "big hit single" wasn't going to be used, and if you assume the entire catalog of each is available, I'd say "Love" for Lennon is a decent choice, although I personally think "Remember" is the best song on POB. I'd take the overlooked gem from LITMW "Don't Let Me Wait Too Long" for George, "I Don't Believe You" for Ringo from TIME TAKES TIME and "Too Much Rain" from Paul's C&C. Then again, the one compiling it may have been told by McCartney, Starr, Ono and Harrison (Olivia and/or Dhani) which song THEY wanted to showcase. JcS Joey, I love your four suggestions. None are oversaturated and all are very good. "Remember" and "Too Much Rain" are particularly awesome; John and Paul at their respective solo best. I have always adored "Don't Let Me Wait Too Long" and "I Don't Believe You" is a wonderful Rock/C&W hybrid from Ringo, when Ringo is at his strongest
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Post by markc on Oct 1, 2014 14:14:17 GMT -5
This is a new twist on the old topic of what solo songs would make a good Beatle album in whatever time period. But with a four song EP it can be egalitarian and be geared to themes or times. For example a strong '70-71 EP could include Remember, Maybe I'm Amazed, Beware of Darkness, and It Don't Come Easy.
A wife themed EP could have Oh Yoko, The Lovely Linda, Dark Sweet Lady and something from Ringo (not sure what).
An EP of songs with Love in the title. Or Peace.
Or birds: Free As A Bird, Bluebird, Baltimore Oriole, Wings.
Old rock and roll covers
country songs
If I ran iTunes or Apple.....
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 1, 2014 15:30:50 GMT -5
This is a new twist on the old topic of what solo songs would make a good Beatle album in whatever time period. But with a four song EP it can be egalitarian and be geared to themes or times. For example a strong '70-71 EP could include Remember, Maybe I'm Amazed, Beware of Darkness, and It Don't Come Easy. A wife themed EP could have Oh Yoko, The Lovely Linda, Dark Sweet Lady and something from Ringo (not sure what). An EP of songs with Love in the title. Or Peace. Or birds: Free As A Bird, Bluebird, Baltimore Oriole, Wings. Old rock and roll covers country songs If I ran iTunes or Apple..... Good thoughts, Mark! The Ringo wife themed song has to be "i'm Yours" from Vertical Man and I think he even addresses Barbara by name in it! Here is a video that will have some of you crying like schoolgirls!
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 1, 2014 18:10:10 GMT -5
I don't think they wanted to give away their best hits, i.e. Maybe I'm Amazed and It Don't Come Easy. Even if you're going for an EP for sale, I'd rather see non-hits.
Keeping with the early stuff, I think I'd go with:
Gimme Some Truth Coochy Coochy (The Beatle related) Living in the Material World And let's let Wings blow the block into the next county with Mumbo
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 11, 2014 12:39:51 GMT -5
With iTunes doing this and featuring all the solo Beatles albums and with the start of the release of John Lennon albums in "High Resolution," are we on the eve of Solo Beatlemania?
With iTunes, Hi-Res Lennon, George Apple Box, and upcoming Paul re-issues, we sure are getting hit over the head with the Solo Beatles stuff.
I say good and I wish the public, like those kids at Joek's used record store(See George Apple Box Thread), would step outside of their "Beatles Only" box and discover the solo music of John, Paul, George and Ringo. Many of us think that the Solo Beatles Era(which continues to this day) contains a treasure trove of great music, every bit as good as music from the group The Beatles, but admittedly it is spread out and sprinkled among some less than stellar music.
I am convinced that John's short solo career was much better than he has been credited for: it is not just POB and Imagine. The JSD Postulate has opened the public's awareness that Paul's solo career did not start at BOTR but thrived fom Macca I. And now that all of George's solo albums, both Apple and Dark Horse Records, are remastered, I contend his solo career is significantly better than he was ever given credit for.
And Ringo has 3 or 4 very worthy albums with greats songs sprinkled among the rest of his albums.
The Music Industry powers that be are pushing Solo Beatles right now and maybe because they realize Firsties(First Generation Beatles Fans) are all retired senior citizens on fixed incomes so they must focus on us Second and Third Generation Beatles Fans who still work and grew up buying the music mostly, if not exclusively, in the Solo Beatles Era. Also, there was that unwarranted "shame" and "guilt" hanging over Solo Beatles, this summary edict by stupid early 1970's Rock critics and elitist, haughty Beatles fans that Solo Beatles could never be as good as The Beatles.
But what were The Beatles: John, Paul, George and Ringo! Why couldn't they continue to make great, important music on their own, or at least on a remarkably consistent basis. The Beatles is just a name as it was the individual members making the music and they continued to do so after the name was discarded!
I hope there is an explosion of Solo Beatlemania!
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 12, 2014 10:53:56 GMT -5
I hope you're right, JSD! We'll see...
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Post by joeyself on Oct 13, 2014 16:45:22 GMT -5
But what were The Beatles: John, Paul, George and Ringo! Why couldn't they continue to make great, important music on their own, or at least on a remarkably consistent basis. The Beatles is just a name as it was the individual members making the music and they continued to do so after the name was discarded! I hope there is an explosion of Solo Beatlemania! Well, maybe the answer is that as solo artists, they still needed the editor the others provided, and the producer that was in synch with their desires. Coming out of the gate, Ringo didn't even try to do Beatles-type music, and it wasn't until RINGO in 1973, with much participation from George, good contributions from Paul and John, and a solid producer in Richard Perry that he gave us something we could call "great and/or important." George had the backlog of material for ATMP, but listening now, the production of it failed him on some songs. After that, he is hit-and-miss, maybe depending on the amount of interest he himself had in the project at hand. John got what he was shooting for on POB--while I'm not a big fan, I will never deny he had a plan and executed it--but IMAGINE is plagued by some of the same production problems that ATMP labored under. From there, it is plain to hear that he needed a creative force beside him that could tell him when something wasn't up to snuff. And that last sentence goes for Paul as well. All that said, we no longer live in an album age, at least as far as the younger market is concerned, and if something gets them to investigate the hits of each, that's a good thing. Getting deeper than that is going to be problematic. But given we are talking about music four decades old, I'm not sure that's a problem that could be, or should be, solved. JcS
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