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Post by mikev on Apr 7, 2015 19:35:22 GMT -5
Ringo can't sing (or, to me more accurate, his very distinctive voice has no tone), but he can deliver a song. They are not the same thing. you said it better than me.
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Post by mikev on Apr 7, 2015 19:36:20 GMT -5
Cher's "Believe" in 1998 is the first widely acknowledged use of Auto-Tune. Cynthia's recoding pre-dates that by three years,. good point, and you can HEAR the autotune.
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Post by mikev on Apr 7, 2015 19:38:02 GMT -5
but now that I think of it, we used something similar in the late 80s in a recording studio, but it definitely sounded like it was run through a ton of effects.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 7, 2015 19:41:57 GMT -5
What? Paul is playing more Beatle songs than solo songs because that's what the fan base wants to hear. So how is that Paul not facing the fact that the fans would rather hear Beatle songs? Fans want to hear the Beatle songs because that what they expect to hear. I'm sure he would get a lot of interest if he announce he was doing a short "No Beatle Songs" tour. If the show was good, it would get a lot of buzz and the tour could probably be extended. Paul stopped "touring the new album" with Off the Ground, not his best period. No wonder the fans began losing interest. He countered with a Beatles revival tour. He's been doing that since. "I'm sure he would get a lot of interest if he announced he was doing a short "No Beatle Songs" tour." Seriously? You believe that? Sure I believe that. He has enough great solo music to make a three hour show that people would love. People weren't that interested in Wings until there started to be a lot of talk about how great the show was. Word was he wasn't doing Beatle material. (Of course there was more Beatles songs during the Over America tour than let on.) Paul was recently in Louisville. I didn't have much interest in seeing an oldies show so I skipped it. If he were doing more solo stuff, I would have been more up for seeing him. (I might have felt I had a better chance to get tickets too.) Wings would be okay. I would prefer to see a whole show with songs from Flaming Pie up to now. My comment above makes me want to change a Yogi Berra comment and say: Nobody wants to see Paul any more. It's too hard to get tickets.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 7, 2015 21:28:11 GMT -5
"I'm sure he would get a lot of interest if he announced he was doing a short "No Beatle Songs" tour." Seriously? You believe that? Sure I believe that. He has enough great solo music to make a three hour show that people would love. People weren't that interested in Wings until there started to be a lot of talk about how great the show was. Word was he wasn't doing Beatle material. (Of course there was more Beatles songs during the Over America tour than let on.) Paul was recently in Louisville. I didn't have much interest in seeing an oldies show so I skipped it. If he were doing more solo stuff, I would have been more up for seeing him. (I might have felt I had a better chance to get tickets too.) Wings would be okay. I would prefer to see a whole show with songs from Flaming Pie up to now. My comment above makes me want to change a Yogi Berra comment and say: Nobody wants to see Paul any more. It's too hard to get tickets. His concerts are very expensive if you want to be close enough to see him without binoculars or a giant tv screen, and you hear a lot of the same material over and over again. Over a decade ago I shelled out $500 for two tickets at MSG in NY. I heard a lot of Beatles songs that I wanted to hear him do as I never got a chance to see The Beatles live when I was a kid. I heard a few solo and Wings numbers as well. But I shelled out half a grand because I wanted to hear him do Beatle songs live. The others were not worth paying that kind of money. Would I go back to another concert to hear him do the same stuff again? No. Not at those prices. Would I pay even $100 for two tickets to hear a concert of no Beatle songs? No way. I wanted to hear a real Beatle do his Beatle catalogue live. And it appeared that most of the audience I was a part of wanted the same thing.
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 7, 2015 21:30:57 GMT -5
Cynthia Lennon - Those Were The Days / Walking In The Rain February 22 1995
1. Those Were The Days 3:55 Music and Lyrics by Gene Raskin Published by Tro Essex Music Limited Produced by Chris Norman
2. Walking In The Rain 4:14 (with Chris Norman) Music and Lyrics by Chris Norman Published by CNE Limited Produced by Chris Norman
Not such a Shrinking Violet (The Gospel According To Lennon - Alan Clayson)
Who could begrudge Lennon's ex-wife not fighting incentives to cash in on The Beatles' ticket? In 1996, while it may not have reactivated the Cynthia Lennon Fan Club, the release of a debut single, a revival of Mary Hopkin's chart topping *Those Were The Days*, had precipitated a more far-reaching reassessment. Produced by Isle of Man neighbour Chris Norman, formerly from *Smokie*, for his own Dice Music Label, 55-year-old Cynthia turned in a surprising appealing vocal - though perhaps not so surprising considering since from the age of 10 until she was 14, she was in the Hoylake Parish Girls Choir, and ended up as soloist.
"As an adult, i had no aspirations to be a singer", she said. "I didn't even sing around the house or in the bath, but a fax came through from a German record company who wanted to get in touch with Julian. So Jim, my partner, 'phoned back and said sarcastically, 'Julian's not there, but you can have his mother' - a throwaway comment that they answered in all seriousness, 'We can't do anything less we know whether she can sing.' My voice had dropped about two octaves - probably because of all the cigarettes I smoke - but I'm game for anything nowadays, so I taped a selection of songs a capella. Chris asked to hear it out of curiosity, and said ,'Let's give it a whirl.'....."Chris thought 'Those Were The Days' would be a good song for a person of my age, and very pertinent......
Video Those Were The Days 3:55
Audio Walking In The Rain 4:14 (with Chris Norman)
www.elsewhere.co.nz/fromthevaults/6897/cynthia-lennon-walking-in-the-rain-1995/
Song Facts & Youtube Comments
"In 1995 Cynthia recorded "Those Were the Day's." Many of her fan's found out that not only, was she a wonderful artist, she was also a very talented singer"
This is definitely Cynthia produced by the original singer from (Smokie) Chris Norman in his studio on the Isle of Man. 2nd song on the CD is Walking in the Rain written by Chris. it was Distributed by Scratch/BMG and engineered by Neil Ferguson who is now in Chumbawamba.
It was in the late 1990's, believe it or not. Apparently Dice Records in Germany approached Cynthia to give Julian a record deal which she thought was rather cheap. She said "No you can't have him, but you can have his mother". They thought about it and decided to give her a deal from it.
Her voice is a tad reminiscent of Petula Clark, low register and double tracked John & Cynthia - Early DaysCynthia, Julian & John - 1965Cover of her single - Those Were the DaysCynthia Lennon 2013 (last known photo of her, that I could find on the Internet)
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 7, 2015 21:53:07 GMT -5
I like "Walking In The Rain" a lot until the dude's part.
Wow! If Cynthia released two songs commercially, I bet she recorded more songs!
I call upon Julian Lennon to release the Lost Cynthia Tapes!
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 7, 2015 21:58:40 GMT -5
Cher's "Believe" in 1998 is the first widely acknowledged use of Auto-Tune. Cynthia's recoding pre-dates that by three years,. good point, and you can HEAR the autotune. There you go Mikey, she was in a choir in her childhood/teenage years, its a shame with the smoking the she dropped two octaves, as mentioned by her? But I couldn't see John ever letting her record any songs in the Beatle years, remember he stopped his dad (Alf) single back then and that was a good record, and I recall he also had a great voice? By the way, did you like Cynthia's B - Side (Audio, in my last post) .....*Walking In The Rain*, she definitely sounds like *Belinda Carlisle*.........
www.elsewhere.co.nz/fromthevaults/6897/cynthia-lennon-walking-in-the-rain-1995/
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 7, 2015 22:07:49 GMT -5
I like "Walking In The Rain" a lot until the dude's part. Wow! If Cynthia released two songs commercially, I bet she recorded more songs! I call upon Julian Lennon to release the Lost Cynthia Tapes! JSD, I love this Youtube comment from Camden Ham (below)..... The Lennon family, were very clever..... Poor old John Lennon.....two wives, one dad, two sons......that amounts to 5 "Lennons" having so far received recording contracts to dazzle us with their obvious vocal gifts, and yet we remain unconvinced. Apparently he also has 3 half-sisters, so Julia Baird, we await your entry into the annual"Lennon Lost Tapes Collection" catastrophe with anti......pation !!!! Come back Cilla Black, all is forgiven !!!!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 7, 2015 23:11:50 GMT -5
That's a lot of Lennons with recording contracts, Rocko! I remember seeing Julian Lennon in concert in 1985 and it was Julian-mania! Poor James McCartney, no real musical career for him. I have always read that Stella had the pipes among the kids. Maybe she should go into music. Paul needs a musical heir.
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Post by sayne on Apr 7, 2015 23:12:38 GMT -5
. . . People weren't that interested in Wings until there started to be a lot of talk about how great the show was. Word was he wasn't doing Beatle material . . . As I remember it, tickets in all markets for Wings Over America sold out in record time. There were no pre-shows anywhere, no social media, no Internet to give people a real heads up. All we knew was that Paul was touring and we all came out en masse - no questions asked. I do agree that an all solo material tour would be great, but he really couldn't charge what he does now, nor do I think he could do stadiums. I fear, though, that if Paul did a tour of only post-Beatles material, his choice of songs might end up being a drag. I'm sorry, but I would not want to hear Ebony and Ivory, Waterfalls, Mull of Kintyre, Bluebird, From a Lover to a Friend, Dragonfly, Mamunia, and a number of other mellow songs. I also wouldn't mind if he didn't play solo songs he's played regularly in his post-1980s tours. So, no Live and Let Die, Nineteen Hundred Eighty-Four, My Love, Maybe I'm Amazed, Jet, Band on the Run, etc.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 8, 2015 12:29:33 GMT -5
As I remember it, tickets in all markets for Wings Over America sold out in record time. There were no pre-shows anywhere, no social media, no Internet to give people a real heads up. All we knew was that Paul was touring and we all came out en masse - no questions asked. I do agree that an all solo material tour would be great, but he really couldn't charge what he does now, nor do I think he could do stadiums. I fear, though, that if Paul did a tour of only post-Beatles material, his choice of songs might end up being a drag. I'm sorry, but I would not want to hear Ebony and Ivory, Waterfalls, Mull of Kintyre, Bluebird, From a Lover to a Friend, Dragonfly, Mamunia, and a number of other mellow songs. I also wouldn't mind if he didn't play solo songs he's played regularly in his post-1980s tours. So, no Live and Let Die, Nineteen Hundred Eighty-Four, My Love, Maybe I'm Amazed, Jet, Band on the Run, etc. Just for the record, the quote attributed in Sayne's posting to me; ("People weren't that interested in Wings until there started to be a lot of talk about how great the show was. Word was he wasn't doing Beatle material)was actually said by Debjorgo.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 8, 2015 13:11:00 GMT -5
Cynthia Lennon - Those Were The Days / Walking In The Rain February 22 1995
1. Those Were The Days 3:55 Music and Lyrics by Gene Raskin Published by Tro Essex Music Limited Produced by Chris Norman
2. Walking In The Rain 4:14 (with Chris Norman) Music and Lyrics by Chris Norman Published by CNE Limited Produced by Chris Norman
Not such a Shrinking Violet (The Gospel According To Lennon - Alan Clayson)
Who could begrudge Lennon's ex-wife not fighting incentives to cash in on The Beatles' ticket? In 1996, while it may not have reactivated the Cynthia Lennon Fan Club, the release of a debut single, a revival of Mary Hopkin's chart topping *Those Were The Days*, had precipitated a more far-reaching reassessment. Produced by Isle of Man neighbour Chris Norman, formerly from *Smokie*, for his own Dice Music Label, 55-year-old Cynthia turned in a surprising appealing vocal - though perhaps not so surprising considering since from the age of 10 until she was 14, she was in the Hoylake Parish Girls Choir, and ended up as soloist.
"As an adult, i had no aspirations to be a singer", she said. "I didn't even sing around the house or in the bath, but a fax came through from a German record company who wanted to get in touch with Julian. So Jim, my partner, 'phoned back and said sarcastically, 'Julian's not there, but you can have his mother' - a throwaway comment that they answered in all seriousness, 'We can't do anything less we know whether she can sing.' My voice had dropped about two octaves - probably because of all the cigarettes I smoke - but I'm game for anything nowadays, so I taped a selection of songs a capella. Chris asked to hear it out of curiosity, and said ,'Let's give it a whirl.'....."Chris thought 'Those Were The Days' would be a good song for a person of my age, and very pertinent......
Video Those Were The Days 3:55
Audio Walking In The Rain 4:14 (with Chris Norman)
www.elsewhere.co.nz/fromthevaults/6897/cynthia-lennon-walking-in-the-rain-1995/
Song Facts & Youtube Comments
"In 1995 Cynthia recorded "Those Were the Day's." Many of her fan's found out that not only, was she a wonderful artist, she was also a very talented singer"
This is definitely Cynthia produced by the original singer from (Smokie) Chris Norman in his studio on the Isle of Man. 2nd song on the CD is Walking in the Rain written by Chris. it was Distributed by Scratch/BMG and engineered by Neil Ferguson who is now in Chumbawamba.
It was in the late 1990's, believe it or not. Apparently Dice Records in Germany approached Cynthia to give Julian a record deal which she thought was rather cheap. She said "No you can't have him, but you can have his mother". They thought about it and decided to give her a deal from it.
Her voice is a tad reminiscent of Petula Clark, low register and double tracked John & Cynthia - Early DaysCynthia, Julian & John - 1965Cover of her single - Those Were the DaysCynthia Lennon 2013 (last known photo of her, that I could find on the Internet) Listened to both tracks again; My take; In 1995 Cynthia was 56 years old. That is late middle age for female pop singers. The vocal tracks are clearly multi-tracked and appear to have back up singers on them as well. In "Those Were The Days", there are some detailed harmony lines overlaying the melody being sung. Assuming Cynthia was not a trained vocalist or musician, those harmony tracks were likely layed down by back-up singers. It is hard to hear her well with all the overdubbing of vocal tracks, whether her voice or others singing with her. The melody line is very simple not demanding a wide range of the singer, so someone not trained as a professional singer could manage these songs. It really is hard to make a judgement call on her abilities since so much is layered in the vocals. In the "In My Life" song she did, where she mostly spoke the words, when she gets to the end and does sing, there is no overdubbing, or multi-tracking vocally, or any back-up singers, you hear her just by herself and the vocal phrase is shaky at best and thus sounds not supported; traits of an untrained voice trying to sing as best they can. So my guess is she had a lot of help and overdubbing to mask all that in the other two tracks. They sound actually pretty good; almost too good for an amateur singer to achieve. I think they would not had been as good if it were just her singing solo without multi-tracking or over-dubbing, or back up singers helping her. Maybe that is why her singing career was nipped in the bud so to speak, and she did not pursue it further. She knew her limitations.
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Post by sayne on Apr 8, 2015 22:01:20 GMT -5
Just for the record, the quote attributed in Sayne's posting to me; ("People weren't that interested in Wings until there started to be a lot of talk about how great the show was. Word was he wasn't doing Beatle material)was actually said by Debjorgo. Very sorry. It was a mistake in cutting.
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Post by sayne on Apr 8, 2015 22:08:57 GMT -5
. . . Her voice is a tad reminiscent of Petula Clark, low register and double tracked I'd say she was a proto-Lana Del Rey. I'm kinda irked that she wasn't given a chance. Sure she was no Aretha, but I think she topped Marianne Faithfull and Linda McCartney. She would have had an audience. Small, but some followers. Paul and John helped Silkie out. Can't see any reason why they couldn't have done the same for Cynthia.
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Post by mikev on Apr 8, 2015 22:15:03 GMT -5
. . . Her voice is a tad reminiscent of Petula Clark, low register and double tracked I'd say she was a proto-Lana Del Rey. I'm kinda irked that she wasn't given a chance. Sure she was no Aretha, but I think she topped Marianne Faithfull and Linda McCartney. She would have had an audience. Small, but some followers. Paul and John helped Silkie out. Can't see any reason why they couldn't have done the same for Cynthia. Maybe she wanted no part of it. Yoko certainly did!!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 9, 2015 21:00:25 GMT -5
I'd say she was a proto-Lana Del Rey. I'm kinda irked that she wasn't given a chance. Sure she was no Aretha, but I think she topped Marianne Faithfull and Linda McCartney. She would have had an audience. Small, but some followers. Paul and John helped Silkie out. Can't see any reason why they couldn't have done the same for Cynthia. Maybe she wanted no part of it. Yoko certainly did!! Give "Not Looking Back" another chance. Love that one.
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