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Post by kc on Sept 24, 2015 20:12:05 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been addressed before. The rumours are that the next Paul McCartney Archive Collection release after TOW/POP will be Flowers In The Dirt. If true, I know that won't please some people on this board, but it got me thinking about the McCartney/Costello (MacManus) song writing collaborations. There is a great set of these just begging to be released. I've heard that Paul and Elvis disagreed about production on their joint songs and that is the reason the songs ended up appearing on various McCartney and Costello albums, rather than all being presented together. Surely they could come to some sort of arrangement after all these years though?
I'm thinking of something like this:
Back On My Feet Veronica You Want Her Too Pads, Paws And Claws My Brave Face So Like Candy That Day Is Done Playboy To A Man Mistress And Maid The Lovers That Never Were Tommy's Coming Home
They also did Don't Be Careless Love, Shallow Grave and Twenty Five Fingers, but I'm not so keen on those.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 25, 2015 10:58:48 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been addressed before. The rumours are that the next Paul McCartney Archive Collection release after TOW/POP will be Flowers In The Dirt. If true, I know that won't please some people on this board, but it got me thinking about the McCartney/Costello (MacManus) song writing collaborations. There is a great set of these just begging to be released. I've heard that Paul and Elvis disagreed about production on their joint songs and that is the reason the songs ended up appearing on various McCartney and Costello albums, rather than all being presented together. Surely they could come to some sort of arrangement after all these years though? I'm thinking of something like this: Back On My Feet Veronica You Want Her Too Pads, Paws And Claws My Brave Face So Like Candy That Day Is Done Playboy To A Man Mistress And Maid The Lovers That Never Were Tommy's Coming Home They also did Don't Be Careless Love, Shallow Grave and Twenty Five Fingers, but I'm not so keen on those. Just to let everyone know, FITD has not been confirmed. And in fact, the story was that the leaflet about it was supposed to be in the promo copies for TOW/{POP. It was not in mine nor Ken Michaels, so it's possible someone isn't telling the truth or that was a photoshop that got passed around.
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Post by Panther on Sept 25, 2015 21:29:14 GMT -5
'Flowers in the Dirt' is a so-so album as released. Actually, it's not very good at all. Much better than 'Press to Play', but that's like saying 'Magical Mystery Tour' is better than 'Give my Regards to Broad Street', or that hanging is better than strangulation.
However, I do have the impression that a quite-good album -- maybe his best of the 80s -- could have been made from the 'Flowers in the Dirt' sessions/material.
Do you guys remember Bob Dylan's 'Street-Legal', from 1978? In the USA, it was his first new LP since 1964 to not penetrate the top-10 (although it did well in Europe). Most people consider it a disappointment. In the late 90s, the album was re-issued and RE-MIXED COMPLETELY to give it less of a keyboard/disco sound and emphasize the guitar and drums more. While this didn't rescue the album completely, it was akin to a successful home renovation. The album suddenly sounded very different and A LOT better, even though it's exactly the same master tracks.
So, re: 1987-1989, 'Flowers in the Dirt', and the Costello sessions, I really believe a great LP could be made by doing two things: (a) shuffling the tracklisting to get rid of some of the crap and bring back some of the under-exposed gems, and (b) remixing the whole thing to de-emphasize the late-80's drums and synths and bring back some of the bass and guitar. (A few 80s-ish flourishes -- for example the cringe-inducing intro to "This One" -- should also be expunged.)
Opinions will vary, but I personally think: My Brave Face Rough Ride We Got Married Put It There Figure of Eight This One
are the really good 'songs' on the released LP. These need to stay ('Rough Ride' overstays its welcome a bit, and the pseudo-Guns'n'Roses outro to 'We Got Married' is a bit desperate, but...).
Then, from B-sides and other contemporary sessions, I really rate: Back on My Feet Tommy's Coming Home Flying to My Home Loveliest Thing
In addition, I think 'Beautiful Night' was first rehearsed/recorded in 1986-87... though I'm not sure it would belong in these sessions. Anyway, even without it that gives us 10 really solid songs, and I'm sure there are a couple more gems I'm missing, with which to make a very strong LP.
Then, the tracks just need to be re-mixed to de-emphasize the late-80s-ness of it.
Voila!! Suddenly, we have easily the best Paul studio LP between 1975 and 1996.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 5:12:33 GMT -5
I think Flowers in the Dirt is easily Paul's best 80's album, as is. I would definitely like to see all the McCartney/MacManus songs released as an album, as part of the deluxe FITD release.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 26, 2015 5:55:46 GMT -5
However, I do have the impression that a quite-good album -- maybe his best of the 80s -- could have been made from the 'Flowers in the Dirt' sessions/material. Opinions will vary, but I personally think: My Brave Face Rough Ride We Got Married Put It There Figure of Eight This Oneare the really good 'songs' on the released LP. These need to stay ('Rough Ride' overstays its welcome a bit, and the pseudo-Guns'n'Roses outro to 'We Got Married' is a bit desperate, but...). Then, from B-sides and other contemporary sessions, I really rate: Back on My Feet Tommy's Coming Home Flying to My Home Loveliest ThingI had to re-read this several times before quoting, just to make sure I wasn't seeing things! Do you and I really AGREE here? Especially about the songs off FLOWERS which are the good ones?!? Amazing! (Of course I had to edit out some other thoughts I just couldn't sign off on ... especially the bizarre one that dismissed MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR ! ) .
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Post by Panther on Sept 26, 2015 6:18:59 GMT -5
Yes, the Pope is right -- miracles do happen!
I wasn't really dismissing 'Magical Mystery Tour' (the film). It's all right. The point was: If I said something is much better than 'Press to Play', it's not a compliment since eating a sandwich of mule-feces is preferable to listening to 'Press to Play'.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 26, 2015 8:22:30 GMT -5
I wasn't really dismissing 'Magical Mystery Tour' (the film). It's all right. The point was: If I said something is much better than 'Press to Play', it's not a compliment since eating a sandwich of mule-feces is preferable to listening to 'Press to Play'. I thought you were talking about the Magical Mystery Tour ALBUM (as opposed to the Broadstreet Album!). The MMT movie I would come close to agreeing on. As for PRESS TO PLAY -- a mule-feces sandwich is close to preferable... I'll have to think a bit on that one!
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 27, 2015 1:59:17 GMT -5
Do you guys remember Bob Dylan's 'Street-Legal', from 1978? In the USA, it was his first new LP since 1964 to not penetrate the top-10 (although it did well in Europe). Most people consider it a disappointment. In the late 90s, the album was re-issued and RE-MIXED COMPLETELY to give it less of a keyboard/disco sound and emphasize the guitar and drums more. While this didn't rescue the album completely, it was akin to a successful home renovation. The album suddenly sounded very different and A LOT better, even though it's exactly the same master tracks. I never knew that?! Street Legal is a Dylan album I never owned(I think my brother had the 8-track tape which I borrowed once for the car!). I will have to research that as I would like to have both mixes of SL, original and this re-mix you mention, Panther. Back to Paul, yes great Thread KC! I would love all the Paul/Elvis C. songs remastered and released on one compilation album(the officially released versions) with Disc 2 being the studio demos! I think that would be fantastic and a little money-maker for these two great artists. Hell, you have the perfect yet simple album name that sounds powerful: McCartney/MacManus.
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