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Post by lowbasso on Jun 3, 2017 12:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 3, 2017 13:52:43 GMT -5
GREAT!!!
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 4, 2017 11:13:33 GMT -5
The Best Seller in Amazon's CDs & Vinyl is still Sgt Pepper
1 Sgt Pepper - Super Deluxe Edition 2 Sgt Pepper - Deluxe 2 Disc Edition 5 Sgt Pepper - Anniversary single Disc Edition 6 Sgt Pepper - 2 LP Vinyl Edition 10 Sgt Pepper - 2009
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 5, 2017 10:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 5, 2017 12:03:13 GMT -5
I wanted PEPPER to get to #1 on BILLBOARD too (hey, I wonder if it still has legs?) but just the fact that it made #1 in the UK alone, this goes down in the history books forever that " Sgt. Pepper Made #1 Again in 2017 -- PERIOD!". I read that PEPPER in the US actually sold the most PHYSICAL COPIES this past week, and so if they were only going by physical sales, then The Beatles would obviously have been #1 on the Top 200. But it's when you also factor in those stupid "streaming" figures that the Beatles fell shorter. #3 is very good for sure but I wanted a #1 like you Joe! It would have restored my faith in this world we live in. I hope it has legs, we will have to wait and see!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 5, 2017 15:01:30 GMT -5
But JSD -- it IS #1 . The UK still counts in the future history books, whenever tallying the total #1 Beatles Albums Of All Time. For sure, Joe! I am tickled pink that the U.K. came through for The Beatles! It sure does count but I thought us Yanks would likewise come through but we failed. It is a dark day for U.S. relations with the Fab Four!
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 5, 2017 16:37:29 GMT -5
I don't see Sgt Pepper on Billboards 200 albums chart at all.
Billboard is always dated a week ahead but is more like the previous week in sales.
I see the top 5 for June 10th as Chris Stapleton at 5, Drake, Harry Styles, Kendrick Lamar and Linkin Park at 1.
Maybe they gave Rolling Stone some bad info. I'll wait until tomorrow to see.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 6, 2017 11:06:16 GMT -5
Here it is folks, The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper at #3 on BILLBOARD's Top 200. www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200The U.S. sure let the band down not getting the Fabs to #1 here. The U.K. came through and The Beatles broke a record I guess for longest time between #1 for an album.
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Post by sayne on Jun 6, 2017 11:54:45 GMT -5
Crap, Pepper landed at #3 on BILLBOARD's Top 200: Obviously a great showing but unlike in the U.K. where it scored a legitimate #1(and not on the "Oldies" chart) as this Thread documents, we over the pond failed to get Pepper to #1. There are no moral victories in the Charts, an artist is either #1 or they are not. Damn! Can't wait to see your reaction about where Roger Waters' new album is. I know you and I always incredulously wonder why Dylan, Diamond, Streisand, et al all get number ones, but Paul cannot.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 6, 2017 12:35:18 GMT -5
Crap, Pepper landed at #3 on BILLBOARD's Top 200: Obviously a great showing but unlike in the U.K. where it scored a legitimate #1(and not on the "Oldies" chart) as this Thread documents, we over the pond failed to get Pepper to #1. There are no moral victories in the Charts, an artist is either #1 or they are not. Damn! Can't wait to see your reaction about where Roger Waters' new album is. I know you and I always incredulously wonder why Dylan, Diamond, Streisand, et al all get number ones, but Paul cannot. LOL, did old Roger get a #1! Add Tom Petty and Bruce Springsteen to those old dudes who still get #1s on the Big Boy/Girl Chart! Hey, I bought one Pepper Box and two Pepper double CDs, one to hand out as a gift to the first hot babe who expresses any interest in Pepper at all! I did my part here in the States!
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Post by apbuitron on Jun 6, 2017 13:11:13 GMT -5
Here it is folks, The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper at #3 on BILLBOARD's Top 200. www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200The U.S. sure let the band down not getting the Fabs to #1 here. The U.K. came through and The Beatles broke a record I guess for longest time between #1 for an album. I don't think we should scoff at number 3 that's a hell of a showing for a box set that costs over 100 dollars
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 6, 2017 19:32:22 GMT -5
You know, SGT PEPPER was also #1 on BILLBOARD'S "Top Album" Chart (see link below). This is the chart that lists actual physical album sales, not any of that streaming nonsense. And after all, isn't physical album sales what should really be counted? So when you look at it this way, it's like SGT PEPPER was also #1 on Billboard: www.billboard.com/charts/top-album-salesStreaming isn't nonsense anymore Joe. Like it or not, it is how most young people get their music. Physical albums are more common among the older generations. I thing Pepper is the only physical CD (The New Collection) I have bought in the last two years. I buy most of my music online and it goes into my ITunes library and then onto my IPod.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 6, 2017 21:57:05 GMT -5
If we lose our jobs, at least I've got music to listen to.
I haven't listened to the album in a couple of days but I have it in my new music playlists. I have ten new music playlists. Each time I hear a song in one playlist, if I want to hear it again, I move it to another playlist. If I don't care to hear it again any time soon, I put it in some category or not and delete it from the new playlists. I'm assuming you can do something like this with the pay service. I have a lot of new music I listen to. If I had everything new that comes out to listen to, I'd be listening to any new release even less.
The problem with music today is it is all disposable. People only want the latest, greatest thing. Music services encourage that.
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Post by kc on Jun 7, 2017 4:42:46 GMT -5
#5 in Australia. I think #4 in New Zealand.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 7, 2017 12:38:06 GMT -5
#5 in Australia. I think #4 in New Zealand. Good showings both, I was dreaming though of Pepper being #1 in every Western Music Market and then in other cool places like Japan, China, etc. where Pop music is allowed and loved. I dreamed of Pepper sitting #1 in all major music polls and for one week we could feel the vibe from that long ago Summer Of Love! Didn't happen except in the U.K. which is a cool place for it to happen as the U.K. became tougher on the Beatles than the U.S., Australia, Japan, etc. ever were!
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 7, 2017 16:40:47 GMT -5
Streaming isn't nonsense anymore Joe. Like it or not, it is how most young people get their music. Physical albums are more common among the older generations. I thing Pepper is the only physical CD (The New Collection) I have bought in the last two years. I buy most of my music online and it goes into my ITunes library and then onto my IPod. Enjoy. But like it or not, streaming will always remain nonsense to certain music fans. To us, it's like paying to own nothing. Pepper still was hugely impressive in physical sales, especially considering the box set is over $100. To be honest, I got the whole deluxe set, but having now heard the outakes, I would have passed on those and just bought the new stereo mix and the Blu-ray DVD. The outakes were not all that revelatory. And the book is ok but not necessary. Nor the posters. Next year on the White Album I will only get the new remix. The music remixed is really all I want, not all the extras.
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Post by stavros on Jun 7, 2017 17:08:32 GMT -5
To be honest, I got the whole deluxe set, but having now heard the outakes, I would have passed on those and just bought the new stereo mix and the Blu-ray DVD. The outakes were not all that revelatory. And the book is ok but not necessary. Nor the posters. Next year on the White Album I will only get the new remix. The music remixed is really all I want, not all the extras. This is primarily my thinking now. The box set is great as a collector's item and I am not criticising anyone who went for the whole package. It looks fantastic. But I was mainly interested in the remixed album plus the new versions of Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane. It cost me £15 for the 2CD edition (which is around $20 US) and I am very happy with it. After Anthology and spending the latter years of the 20th century and first few of early 21st century finding bootlegs on the internet I have now got to the point where (with a few exceptions) I prefer the finished product. So the music was really all I wanted as well. Giles Martin has done a fine job with the remixing whilst preserving the spirit of the original. And yes we in the UK saw it reach #1. After what happened in London and Manchester and yet another election tomorrow it's been a welcome distraction.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 7, 2017 17:33:38 GMT -5
I have the 2009 releases so, after I heard the remixes weren't going to be that different, I really lost interest in the remixes. I didn't need another copy of the mono version either. I'll take any rarity they put out, even though I have quite a few boots.
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Post by apbuitron on Jun 7, 2017 20:35:24 GMT -5
I have the 2009 releases so, after I heard the remixes weren't going to be that different, I really lost interest in the remixes. I didn't need another copy of the mono version either. I'll take any rarity they put out, even though I have quite a few boots. You're missing out. The remix is revelatory.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 7, 2017 22:23:46 GMT -5
I have the 2009 releases so, after I heard the remixes weren't going to be that different, I really lost interest in the remixes. I didn't need another copy of the mono version either. I'll take any rarity they put out, even though I have quite a few boots. You're missing out. The remix is revelatory. Well, I'm playing devil's advocate a little here in regards to the above posts. There is certainly much more clarity in certain spots where the original four tracks were used. But putting everything center stage doesn't always work. I said here many times, Sgt Pepper is not the greatest example of where the mixes from the '60s need fixing. Although the Beatles weren't involved, there was obviously a lot of time spent with the stereo mix. I think the above mentioned verses to the title song with Paul on the right, leading to the chorus with the band vocals singing "We're Sgt Pepper's lonely hearts...." on the left, and the slow panning to the center with "It's wonderful to be here...", may prove to be the best mix. This is great stuff; I agree completely. But the rarities is really what draws me to this. I rather hear a mix completely different than the proper releases. As long as it sounds good and isn't a mash or something kooky.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 8, 2017 7:07:14 GMT -5
I have the 2009 releases so, after I heard the remixes weren't going to be that different, I really lost interest in the remixes. I didn't need another copy of the mono version either. I'll take any rarity they put out, even though I have quite a few boots. I can hear the difference between the 2009 remasters and the 2017 remixes in Pepper. The 2017 remix balances the songs in a better stereo sound and I can hear much more detail in the voices (specifically the harmonies in backing vocals), and instruments used in each song stand out better. If one can hear improvements, then the new mix is justified. If you can't hear it, then no reason to buy it. Or make it it your new default version of this album.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 8, 2017 9:46:48 GMT -5
To be honest, I got the whole deluxe set, but having now heard the outakes, I would have passed on those and just bought the new stereo mix and the Blu-ray DVD. The outakes were not all that revelatory. And the book is ok but not necessary. Nor the posters. Next year on the White Album I will only get the new remix. The music remixed is really all I want, not all the extras. I think the new 2017 mix is very punchy and restores The Beatles to sounding more like a Rock band. I approve of it. But in my case, I mostly love the extras and I disagree completely that "the outtakes were not all that revelatory". For one thing, you can sense that this may be the last time that all the Beatles really worked tightly together. We hear priceless dialogue with each Beatle helping out: Paul suggesting how John ought to sing "Lucy", George suggesting how Paul can keep his breath when singing the title song, and John suggesting how Paul might approach "Getting Better". The different takes themselves really come alive and show how hard the group worked to get this perfect, in order to astound the world again. They sound like a RNR powerhouse. The track with George instructing the Indian musician on how to play "Within You Without You" is a magical piece of history. I think these studio sessions provide a real insight into the development of this landmark album, and I can't for the life of me imagine how any fan could not find these valuable. Yeah, I get it - all you need are the same 200 or so official Beatles tracks, over and over and over. No rare stuff, no Solo, etc. No posters, no fun fanfare. Dull, dull, dull! I have close to 100 bootlegs of alternate takes of Beatle songs, many of them conversational. Some from the Pepper period. So these "new" ones are nice to hear once or twice, but their value as to how a song evolved is minimal at best. And other than the initial choice to end A Day In The Life with a unison humming, which only became availble now, not much else is revealing in nature. And, yes bottom line, it is the music that will last forever, and the very reason we still talk about the band 50 years later. Not the physical albums, or inserts, or haircuts, or outfits, etc. Whether your taste is the band material or the solo material that followed. Their lasting legacy is aural.
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Post by stavros on Jun 8, 2017 14:19:02 GMT -5
I know you are responding to Lowbasso. Respect your opinion of course as well. But here's my 2 pence. The bootlegs & out-takes can be fascinating. I agree totally with that point. They help build up a picture of how the Beatles worked together and their songwriting developed. Even some of the inter song chats can be revealing as well. However I liken them to the recent 'Pepper' radio documentary by the BBC and many other similar radio documentary shows. I give them all a listen occasionally as it's great to learn about my favourite band (and I have a small library of them). But I happen to enjoy the songs the Beatles meant to be their finished product most of all. My own reasons for sticking with the 2CD set were budgetary : Disc 1 & 2 would cost me £15....One of the discs is the mono Pepper which I already own. I own the "1" Blu-Ray deluxe package which has Strawberry Fields, Penny Lane and Day in the Life. So I would be paying £95 to get a few extra mono tracks, the 3rd CD of out takes, the book and the documentary on DVD/Blu-Ray. I don't see it as value for money to be honest. But I am not knocking anyone who went for the package. If money was absolutely no object then I'd probably not have been as calculating.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 8, 2017 16:44:00 GMT -5
I have the 2009 releases so, after I heard the remixes weren't going to be that different, I really lost interest in the remixes. I didn't need another copy of the mono version either. I'll take any rarity they put out, even though I have quite a few boots. I can hear the difference between the 2009 remasters and the 2017 remixes in Pepper. The 2017 remix balances the songs in a better stereo sound and I can hear much more detail in the voices (specifically the harmonies in backing vocals), and instruments used in each song stand out better. If one can hear improvements, then the new mix is justified. If you can't hear it, then no reason to buy it. Or make it it your new default version of this album. Well, I already backed away from this a little in a later quote. I love having the new remixes. I certainly like the better sound clarity from the original four tracks but whether it is a "better stereo sound" is a matter of opinion. As I say, I like the mix in the title track better on the 2009 release. It's much more interesting than the centered sound on the new disc. I will probably defer to the new version as the superior track for the clarity but I like the '67 stereo mix better. A lot of us liked the sound that was hot in the '80s. Can you imagine if the Beatle's catalog had been remixed then? We might had loved it then, but be embarrassed by it now. I love the LOVE version of Revolution. Great separation! I have no interest in hearing it "modernized" with everything based in the center.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 8, 2017 17:08:51 GMT -5
I have close to 100 bootlegs of alternate takes of Beatle songs, many of them conversational. Some from the Pepper period. So these "new" ones are nice to hear once or twice, but their value as to how a song evolved is minimal at best. Their value may be minimal to a casual Beatles listener. But to a big fan I'd figure they'd be essential. But you say you have close to 100 bootlegs, so it must have some appeal for you. I'm curious as to why did you even buy the Super Deluxe Box, based on your feelings? Vehement disagreement there. It's all revealing - and amazing - I think. Even whatever takes have been out before, they've never been in as great clarity and completeness as these in 2017. Well it's not possible to deny that the core music is the #1 thing. But it doesn't mean it's the "only" thing - and when - like me I presume - diehard fans have heard "Yesterday" played so many times that it's coming out of their ears by now that its familiarity is bordering on contempt, I would imagine more people would want something more fresh. Reason I bought the deluxe was I hoped the outakes would be more plentiful and longer in length to the point we would hear a lot of dialogue amongst the takes as the fabs in detail discussed how to contruct the tracks. This album was unique in that it was the first Beatle album that took over 5 months to record. No Beatle album prior to this one took anywhere near that amount of time to construct and record. So I hoped we would have had HUGE chunks of outake dialogue AND music to study. Alas. not so. There is a bootleg of the song "You Like Me To Much" in which the dialogue goes on for over 10 minutes as they discuss how to do this track with multiple musical takes. I was hoping the Pepper takes would be this detailed.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 8, 2017 20:33:38 GMT -5
Reason I bought the deluxe was I hoped the outakes would be more plentiful and longer in length to the point we would hear a lot of dialogue amongst the takes as the fabs in detail discussed how to contruct the tracks. This album was unique in that it was the first Beatle album that took over 5 months to record. No Beatle album prior to this one took anywhere near that amount of time to construct and record. So I hoped we would have had HUGE chunks of outake dialogue AND music to study. Alas. not so. There is a bootleg of the song "You Like Me To Much" in which the dialogue goes on for over 10 minutes as they discuss how to do this track with multiple musical takes. I was hoping the Pepper takes would be this detailed. But I thought you didn't care about the outtakes, only needed and wanted the "regular songs"> Oh, never mind.... ...... And of course you could have waited just a tad to hear feedback regarding the Deluxe Set's outtakes, to see if it was worth buying for yourself. I never knew there were outtakes of "You Like Me Too Much" out there. Sorry, it is "Think For Yourself", not YLMTM. I knew it was a George song. It is Track 17 on Unsurpassed Masters, Vol.7 from Yellow Dog. In it, John's attention wanders as he cannot seem to get interested in the song.So a lot of time is spent trying to teach him his part, particularly his vocal line. I am a musician Joe. I want to hear how a song germinated and was taught to the others from the writer(s). I want outakes that are more than just "rehearsal" takes, where they discuss briefly what they are planning to do and then take a crack at it. Problem is that G. Martin and G. Emerick didn't want to waste studio tape on discussions down on the floor between takes, only on musical takes. In hindsight, had they realized how much The Beatles music would become the greatest songtracks of 20th Century Popular Music, they probably would have let the tapes roll to catch their discussions in the studio over how a song would take shape. Those discussions would have been studied by music scholars the world over for decades to understand how their geniuses formed a song. That kind of outake is what I would have craved, much more than numerous rehearsal hit-and-miss trial and error takes.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 8, 2017 23:05:41 GMT -5
But I thought you didn't care about the outtakes, only needed and wanted the "regular songs"> Oh, never mind.... ...... And of course you could have waited just a tad to hear feedback regarding the Deluxe Set's outtakes, to see if it was worth buying for yourself. I never knew there were outtakes of "You Like Me Too Much" out there. Sorry, it is "Think For Yourself", not YLMTM. I knew it was a George song. It is Track 17 on Unsurpassed Masters, Vol.7 from Yellow Dog. In it, John's attention wanders as he cannot seem to get interested in the song.So a lot of time is spent trying to teach him his part, particularly his vocal line. I am a musician Joe. I want to hear how a song germinated and was taught to the others from the writer(s). I want outakes that are more than just "rehearsal" takes, where they discuss briefly what they are planning to do and then take a crack at it. Problem is that G. Martin and G. Emerick didn't want to waste studio tape on discussions down on the floor between takes, only on musical takes. In hindsight, had they realized how much The Beatles music would become the greatest songtracks of 20th Century Popular Music, they probably would have let the tapes roll to catch their discussions in the studio over how a song would take shape. Those discussions would have been studied by music scholars the world over for decades to understand how their geniuses formed a song. That kind of outake is what I would have craved, much more than numerous rehearsal hit-and-miss trial and error takes. They are supposed to be ready to record when they press record. I would think, for most bands, even the rehearsals would be off tape. I certainly would would rather hear he rehearsal tapes. If Track 17 on Unsurpassed Masters, Vol.7 is what your seeking out, no wonder you listen a few time and your done. The best stuff is hearing what you've heard so much, and love, but it sounds a little different. The proper tracks are the better tracks but there are parts you like better in the alt tracks. This particular track, which I don't think I've listened to too much, is frustrating in that they start the track and it gets cut off. Terrible edit. I do like the Do You Want to Know a Secret reference. Funny stuff. Where have I heard the "Why such fury?" quote? It's used for something and I can't place it.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 9, 2017 7:04:09 GMT -5
Sorry, it is "Think For Yourself", not YLMTM. I knew it was a George song. It is Track 17 on Unsurpassed Masters, Vol.7 from Yellow Dog. In it, John's attention wanders as he cannot seem to get interested in the song.So a lot of time is spent trying to teach him his part, particularly his vocal line. I am a musician Joe. I want to hear how a song germinated and was taught to the others from the writer(s). I want outakes that are more than just "rehearsal" takes, where they discuss briefly what they are planning to do and then take a crack at it. Problem is that G. Martin and G. Emerick didn't want to waste studio tape on discussions down on the floor between takes, only on musical takes. In hindsight, had they realized how much The Beatles music would become the greatest songtracks of 20th Century Popular Music, they probably would have let the tapes roll to catch their discussions in the studio over how a song would take shape. Those discussions would have been studied by music scholars the world over for decades to understand how their geniuses formed a song. That kind of outake is what I would have craved, much more than numerous rehearsal hit-and-miss trial and error takes. They are supposed to be ready to record when they press record. I would think, for most bands, even the rehearsals would be off tape. I certainly would would rather hear he rehearsal tapes. If Track 17 on Unsurpassed Masters, Vol.7 is what your seeking out, no wonder you listen a few time and your done. The best stuff is hearing what you've heard so much, and love, but it sounds a little different. The proper tracks are the better tracks but there are parts you like better in the alt tracks. This particular track, which I don't think I've listened to too much, is frustrating in that they start the track and it gets cut off. Terrible edit. I do like the Do You Want to Know a Secret reference. Funny stuff. Where have I heard the "Why such fury?" quote? It's used for something and I can't place it. The Think For Yourself outake was a rare moment where they taped the discussions rather than the rehearsal takes to catch just the banter between musical takes. Why they didn't do more of this is a shame. By 1965 you would have thought recording their banter for historical purposes would have been a no brainer. Maybe EMI didn't have enough tape available for such purposes? Too bad. Missed opportunities to be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 7:05:15 GMT -5
The charts nowadays have NO relevance, unlike Yesteryear, when they were a true reflection.
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Post by mikev on Jun 9, 2017 11:21:32 GMT -5
They are supposed to be ready to record when they press record. I would think, for most bands, even the rehearsals would be off tape. I certainly would would rather hear he rehearsal tapes. If Track 17 on Unsurpassed Masters, Vol.7 is what your seeking out, no wonder you listen a few time and your done. The best stuff is hearing what you've heard so much, and love, but it sounds a little different. The proper tracks are the better tracks but there are parts you like better in the alt tracks. This particular track, which I don't think I've listened to too much, is frustrating in that they start the track and it gets cut off. Terrible edit. I do like the Do You Want to Know a Secret reference. Funny stuff. Where have I heard the "Why such fury?" quote? It's used for something and I can't place it. The Think For Yourself outake was a rare moment where they taped the discussions rather than the rehearsal takes to catch just the banter between musical takes. Why they didn't do more of this is a shame. By 1965 you would have thought recording their banter for historical purposes would have been a no brainer. Maybe EMI didn't have enough tape available for such purposes? Too bad. Missed opportunities to be sure. Well you have a whole month of that January 69...
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