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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 23, 2009 18:28:31 GMT -5
One of the comments on this YouTube clip is that On the Wings of a Nightingale, a song Paul wrote for the Everlys for their big comeback in 1985, was Paul's last great song. Do you believe that is true?
It became a staple in their show. Here is a quite good instrumental version of the song.
If its not his last great song, what are some world class songs Paul has written since then. They don't have to exceed the Beatles. Few if any do.
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Post by jimc on May 23, 2009 19:00:20 GMT -5
No, not his last great song, IMO.
I see that "On the Wings..." demo is NOT listed on the rarities box set track list. If this set is actually coming out, I think a recording such as that should be included. If not there, when? Never.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 23, 2009 19:05:22 GMT -5
One of many that immediately come to me is 'This Never Happened Before" from Chaos and Creation. That could have been a Wings hit in the seventies.
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Post by Beatle Bob on May 23, 2009 20:17:21 GMT -5
Well one that is a great standout as an outtake is Yvonne. God, I think it's one of the most superb and melodic songs ever! Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 23, 2009 20:32:45 GMT -5
Well one that is a great standout as an outtake is Yvonne. God, I think it's one of the most superb and melodic songs ever! Regards, Beatle Bob I agree. Paul should have waited until June 1987 and released Return to Pepperland with the best of Press to Play instead of releasing Press to Play in Oct. 1986. He would have had the benefit of the 20th anniversary of Pepper and he would have released a great album. Here is how the album might have tracked: Return To Pepperland (June 1987) 1) Return To Pepperland 2) Once Upon A Long Ago 3) Yvonne 4) Lindiana 5) Back On My Feet 6) I Love This House 7) Pretty Little Head (album version) 8) Move Over Busker 9) The Loveliest Thing 10) Press 11) Tough On A Tightrope 12) Linda 13) Feel the Sun Shine In (full version) or Footprints (early vocal take) 14) Only Love Remains This is a superior collection that shows Paul had not lost it. I was not a fan of Stranglehold, Angry, However Absurd, Write Away and Talk More Talk on Press to Play.
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Post by vectisfabber on May 24, 2009 5:23:46 GMT -5
Waterspout - massively catchy.
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Post by vectisfabber on May 24, 2009 5:24:47 GMT -5
Not necessarily a great song, though. Calico Skies - was that after 1985? (the year, not the song!
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Post by joeyself on May 24, 2009 16:21:02 GMT -5
"Too Much Rain" from C&C stands with ANYTHING McCartney ever penned.
JcS
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Post by jimc on May 24, 2009 18:48:47 GMT -5
"Too Much Rain" from C&C stands with ANYTHING McCartney ever penned. JcS Oh, yea. I second that with a shout.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 24, 2009 19:06:06 GMT -5
Not necessarily a great song, though. Calico Skies - was that after 1985? (the year, not the song! That was 1997.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 25, 2009 10:57:58 GMT -5
One of many that immediately come to me is 'This Never Happened Before" from Chaos and Creation. That could have been a Wings hit in the seventies. Or as JoeySelf once observed, effective background music for a Viagra commercial! scousette has noted that it sounds like a Carly Simon song. Nonetheless, "On The Wings Of A Nightingale" was not even close to Paul's last great song. The Everly's version is beautiful, a special track. The demos I have heard from Paul don't capture the magic in the song as Phil and Don did. "Too Much Rain" and "Somedays" are just two that come to mind. There are many more, i.e., "At The Mercy." Paul can still write classics, hopefully he will be able to still sing them in the manner they deserve. I suppose that we shouldn't be bothered that for whatever reason, Paul's albums aren't going to Number 1 anymore(nor haven't for decades) while his contemporaries like Dylan and Diamond seem to own the number 1 slot with their newest releases. Paul still writes great songs. I guess it is just for us fans to enjoy.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 25, 2009 17:00:20 GMT -5
One of many that immediately come to me is 'This Never Happened Before" from Chaos and Creation. Or as JoeySelf once observed, effective background music for a Viagra commercial! scousette has noted that it sounds like a Carly Simon song. Nonetheless, "On The Wings Of A Nightingale" was not even close to Paul's last great song. The Everly's version is beautiful, a special track. The demos I have heard from Paul don't capture the magic in the song as Phil and Don did. "Too Much Rain" and "Somedays" are just two that come to mind. There are many more, i.e., "At The Mercy." Paul can still write classics, hopefully he will be able to still sing them in the manner they deserve. I suppose that we shouldn't be bothered that for whatever reason, Paul's albums aren't going to Number 1 anymore(nor haven't for decades) while his contemporaries like Dylan and Diamond seem to own the number 1 slot with their newest releases. Paul still writes great songs. I guess it is just for us fans to enjoy. You mean it sounds like a particular Carly Simon song? That its a rip off? Because to say it sounds like something in her style is certainly not a put down. As for At the Mercy, I think that is great too. Too Much Rain, Calico Skies, Little Willow and Sing the Changes are also great. In fact he has picked up the pace lately. As for his singing, I think it has been better at these one-off concerts lately because his voice is well rested. When he does tour, I hope he keeps enough days between dates to rest.
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Post by sayne on May 25, 2009 20:14:45 GMT -5
That's it! End of story. For me, for two part harmonies the Everly Brothers are Number 1 and everyone else fights for #2. Although I have my opinions about vocal group harmonies, guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, piano, lead male/female vocals, etc., I know who is the best is always going go be debatable, and I can be swayed in any direction. But, seeing that video clip of the Everly Brothers sealed it for me. No argument, in my book. They are the measure, the gage, the standard, for me. That clip made me misty. The only other thing that is firm in my mind in the same way is best group.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 25, 2009 23:00:11 GMT -5
One of many that immediately come to me is 'This Never Happened Before" from Chaos and Creation. Or as JoeySelf once observed, effective background music for a Viagra commercial! scousette has noted that it sounds like a Carly Simon song. Nonetheless, "On The Wings Of A Nightingale" was not even close to Paul's last great song. The Everly's version is beautiful, a special track. The demos I have heard from Paul don't capture the magic in the song as Phil and Don did. "Too Much Rain" and "Somedays" are just two that come to mind. There are many more, i.e., "At The Mercy." Paul can still write classics, hopefully he will be able to still sing them in the manner they deserve. I suppose that we shouldn't be bothered that for whatever reason, Paul's albums aren't going to Number 1 anymore(nor haven't for decades) while his contemporaries like Dylan and Diamond seem to own the number 1 slot with their newest releases. Paul still writes great songs. I guess it is just for us fans to enjoy. You mean it sounds like a particular Carly Simon song? That its a rip off? Because to say it sounds like something in her style is certainly not a put down. As for At the Mercy, I think that is great too. Too Much Rain, Calico Skies, Little Willow and Sing the Changes are also great. In fact he has picked up the pace lately. As for his singing, I think it has been better at these one-off concerts lately because his voice is well rested. When he does tour, I hope he keeps enough days between dates to rest. Not a rip-off. scousette observed, and I agreed, that it sounded like something Carly Simon might have sung. The song Paul may have pinched is "Anyway" which sounds in spots identical to "People Get Ready." In fact, it was rather funny when a BBC interviewer pointed that out to Paul in a special to promote "Chaos" and Paul sounded livid even though he tried to laugh it off! I still think that Paul is writing great songs. For reasons unknown to me, he is not capturing the album buying public's imagination like Dylan or even Neil Diamond. Maybe his whole relationship with and later divorce from Heather turned the casual music buyers off.
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Post by sallyg on May 26, 2009 9:03:29 GMT -5
You mean it sounds like a particular Carly Simon song? That its a rip off? Because to say it sounds like something in her style is certainly not a put down. As for At the Mercy, I think that is great too. Too Much Rain, Calico Skies, Little Willow and Sing the Changes are also great. In fact he has picked up the pace lately. As for his singing, I think it has been better at these one-off concerts lately because his voice is well rested. When he does tour, I hope he keeps enough days between dates to rest. Not a rip-off. scousette observed, and I agreed, that it sounded like something Carly Simon might have sung. The song Paul may have pinched is "Anyway" which sounds in spots identical to "People Get Ready." In fact, it was rather funny when a BBC interviewer pointed that out to Paul in a special to promote "Chaos" and Paul sounded livid even though he tried to laugh it off! I still think that Paul is writing great songs. For reasons unknown to me, he is not capturing the album buying public's imagination like Dylan or even Neil Diamond. Maybe his whole relationship with and later divorce from Heather turned the casual music buyers off. I think Paul is still a great songwriter. If and when Bob and Paul get together and write and record songs, I think many will be interested in that.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 26, 2009 16:15:17 GMT -5
You mean it sounds like a particular Carly Simon song? That its a rip off? Because to say it sounds like something in her style is certainly not a put down. As for At the Mercy, I think that is great too. Too Much Rain, Calico Skies, Little Willow and Sing the Changes are also great. In fact he has picked up the pace lately. As for his singing, I think it has been better at these one-off concerts lately because his voice is well rested. When he does tour, I hope he keeps enough days between dates to rest. Not a rip-off. scousette observed, and I agreed, that it sounded like something Carly Simon might have sung. The song Paul may have pinched is "Anyway" which sounds in spots identical to "People Get Ready." In fact, it was rather funny when a BBC interviewer pointed that out to Paul in a special to promote "Chaos" and Paul sounded livid even though he tried to laugh it off! I still think that Paul is writing great songs. For reasons unknown to me, he is not capturing the album buying public's imagination like Dylan or even Neil Diamond. Maybe his whole relationship with and later divorce from Heather turned the casual music buyers off. Paul has probably sold as many albums as Dylan and Diamond recently. Its just that they got to No. 1 with their last one. Paul was at No. 2 Flaming Pie and Wingspan and No. 3 chaos & creation and No. 5 memory almost full. Maybe his next one will hit No. 1.
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Post by theman on May 27, 2009 20:51:57 GMT -5
Minor correction, but I think C&C was #5 and Memory Almost Full hit #3 (on the strength of his Starbucks distribution). I really don't think it's that big a deal that he hasn't hit #1. I mean, #2, #5, #1, whatever. Any of those chart positions is not exactly a poor showing, if you ask me, especially for a guy in his 50s and 60s(and frankly, better than some of his mid-to-late 80s showings for Press to Play, Off the Ground and, even, Flowers in the Dirt.)
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Post by sayne on May 27, 2009 23:27:34 GMT -5
. . . I really don't think it's that big a deal that he hasn't hit #1 . . . Just to reiterate something that I've written many times, being "Number 1" is a relative term. One can sell 1 million in a week and be Number 2 to something that sold a million and one or sell 50,000 and be Number 1 because no one else sold that many. At the end of the day, it's how many did you sell or are continuing to sell. There are many songs and albums that never got to Number 1 when they were first released, but have sold more that those that did hit number one for a week. Anyone know the sales totals so far for Dylan's and Diamond's last 3 albums compared to Paul's last 3?
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Post by John S. Damm on May 28, 2009 8:16:00 GMT -5
. . . I really don't think it's that big a deal that he hasn't hit #1 . . . Just to reiterate something that I've written many times, being "Number 1" is a relative term. One can sell 1 million in a week and be Number 2 to something that sold a million and one or sell 50,000 and be Number 1 because no one else sold that many. At the end of the day, it's how many did you sell or are continuing to sell. There are many songs and albums that never got to Number 1 when they were first released, but have sold more that those that did hit number one for a week. Anyone know the sales totals so far for Dylan's and Diamond's last 3 albums compared to Paul's last 3? You should e-mail that logic to Paul because we have read interviews from him or read articles indicating that it bugs the hell out of him if his albums don't go to number 1. He considers them failures and writes them off forever. We have seen such defensive posturing as to Back To The Egg and Press To Play to name just two. We know from Paul's concert setlists(and you did the definitive study on it here) that many Macca albums are banished to the "Macca graveyard of forgotten albums" from which songs will never be selected for concert even though there are many great songs that could be found therein. Paul's gunning for Number 1's so why shouldn't us fans wish that for the old boy too?
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 28, 2009 15:57:53 GMT -5
. . . I really don't think it's that big a deal that he hasn't hit #1 . . . Just to reiterate something that I've written many times, being "Number 1" is a relative term. One can sell 1 million in a week and be Number 2 to something that sold a million and one or sell 50,000 and be Number 1 because no one else sold that many. At the end of the day, it's how many did you sell or are continuing to sell. There are many songs and albums that never got to Number 1 when they were first released, but have sold more that those that did hit number one for a week. Anyone know the sales totals so far for Dylan's and Diamond's last 3 albums compared to Paul's last 3? I just know Wingspan sold 2.5 million in the US alone.
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Post by theman on May 29, 2009 13:22:00 GMT -5
Just to reiterate something that I've written many times, being "Number 1" is a relative term. One can sell 1 million in a week and be Number 2 to something that sold a million and one or sell 50,000 and be Number 1 because no one else sold that many. At the end of the day, it's how many did you sell or are continuing to sell. There are many songs and albums that never got to Number 1 when they were first released, but have sold more that those that did hit number one for a week. Anyone know the sales totals so far for Dylan's and Diamond's last 3 albums compared to Paul's last 3? You should e-mail that logic to Paul because we have read interviews from him or read articles indicating that it bugs the hell out of him if his albums don't go to number 1. He considers them failures and writes them off forever. We have seen such defensive posturing as to Back To The Egg and Press To Play to name just two. We know from Paul's concert setlists(and you did the definitive study on it here) that many Macca albums are banished to the "Macca graveyard of forgotten albums" from which songs will never be selected for concert even though there are many great songs that could be found therein. Paul's gunning for Number 1's so why shouldn't us fans wish that for the old boy too? Good point, but that's exactly what drives me crazy about Paulie. It seems like most of us appreciate his post Band on the Run material more than he does
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Post by John S. Damm on May 30, 2009 15:59:15 GMT -5
You should e-mail that logic to Paul because we have read interviews from him or read articles indicating that it bugs the hell out of him if his albums don't go to number 1. He considers them failures and writes them off forever. We have seen such defensive posturing as to Back To The Egg and Press To Play to name just two. We know from Paul's concert setlists(and you did the definitive study on it here) that many Macca albums are banished to the "Macca graveyard of forgotten albums" from which songs will never be selected for concert even though there are many great songs that could be found therein. Paul's gunning for Number 1's so why shouldn't us fans wish that for the old boy too? Good point, but that's exactly what drives me crazy about Paulie. It seems like most of us appreciate his post Band on the Run material more than he does Exactly! Many of us here could be quite happy with an all solo setlist for a Paul McCartney concert with songs coming from every single album. Well, maybe not the first two fireman albums! ;D
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