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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 16, 2009 15:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by jimc on Jun 16, 2009 18:01:33 GMT -5
That's what I'm going to do also, Steve. It was clinched for me when the local Wal-Mart did not have the Let it Roll disc tonight. Terrible. They had the new Don Henley GH, but no George.
By the way, I Don't Want to Do It is the Porky's Revenge version, correct?
Edit: By the way, is the Pity demo the Jan. or Feb. 1969 Get Back version?
Really, the whole business of this bonus track -- and all them on iTunes such as Blow Away (demo) -- Isn't It a Pity indeed. I guess George is sardonically laughing somewhere.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 16, 2009 18:46:26 GMT -5
That's what I'm going to do also, Steve. It was clinched for me when the local Wal-Mart did not have the Let it Roll disc tonight. Terrible. They had the new Don Henley GH, but no George. By the way, I Don't Want to Do It is the Porky's Revenge version, correct? Edit: By the way, is the Pity demo the Jan. or Feb. 1969 Get Back version? Really, the whole business of this bonus track -- and all them on iTunes such as Blow Away (demo) -- Isn't It a Pity indeed. I guess George is sardonically laughing somewhere. Jim: Walmart will get it in the stores. They were just a little behind. I talked to a Walmart rep in corporate today and got that from someone at Capitol. As for the demo, it doesn't sound like a Get Back demo. Given that they didn't use any Beatles stuff -- saw a post on Sulpy's board suggesting they did this so they wouldn't have to pay anything to the other Beatles -- I'm guessing it has to be later, as in ATMP sessions.
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Post by jimc on Jun 16, 2009 21:35:05 GMT -5
That's what I'm going to do also, Steve. It was clinched for me when the local Wal-Mart did not have the Let it Roll disc tonight. Terrible. They had the new Don Henley GH, but no George. By the way, I Don't Want to Do It is the Porky's Revenge version, correct? Edit: By the way, is the Pity demo the Jan. or Feb. 1969 Get Back version? Really, the whole business of this bonus track -- and all them on iTunes such as Blow Away (demo) -- Isn't It a Pity indeed. I guess George is sardonically laughing somewhere. Jim: Walmart will get it in the stores. They were just a little behind. I talked to a Walmart rep in corporate today and got that from someone at Capitol. As for the demo, it doesn't sound like a Get Back demo. Given that they didn't use any Beatles stuff -- saw a post on Sulpy's board suggesting they did this so they wouldn't have to pay anything to the other Beatles -- I'm guessing it has to be later, as in ATMP sessions. I don't know, it sounds like what was described in Recording Sessions, though of course that could be because he simply did another similar demo. It also sounds like ATMP, Something, and Old Brown Shoe from the same time. That post about not paying the other Beatles -- I took that as a joke. I don't think they ever would have included Here Comes the Sun in this set other than as a live version. A lot of posts at the Sulpy board are rather cynical.
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Post by jimc on Jun 17, 2009 14:02:57 GMT -5
The consensus seems to be that the demo is from Jan. 26, 1969. I'm anxious to hear the official word on it.
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Post by nine on Jun 18, 2009 4:12:18 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm............... Had to spend thousands on the Genesis books to get some unreleased Harrison stuff and it just keeps on going...
It's been discussed before but why is the Harrison stuff so Material World?
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Post by beatleroadie on Jun 18, 2009 11:07:59 GMT -5
Wow, just listened to the iTunes clip of this track and love George's voice on it. It's really something! Shame it wasn't on Anthology...Not only was George writing amazing songs in '68 and '69 I think his vocals were at their most soulful! Really, I prefer George's voice around this period to John's...But George's voice got rougher and deeper while recording ATMP, and it was never quite the same as this period...
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Post by Mister Kite on Jun 18, 2009 15:13:51 GMT -5
The consensus seems to be that the demo is from Jan. 26, 1969. I'm anxious to hear the official word on it. It's definitely not the version from Jan. 26, 1969 although like that version, he does vocalize the instrumental orchestra part. The main difference is this version is played on electric guitar played through a Leslie speaker. It's most likely from the All Things Must Pass session when he was running through the songs for Phil Spector.
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Post by beatleroadie on Jun 18, 2009 16:49:59 GMT -5
It seems odd that the press material about LET IT ROLL would specifically call the track the first demo. That wording would seem to point to the Jan. 26 '69 recording. If it's not that one, then either George demoed a version at home before Jan. 26, and it is indeed the first demo of the song, or he recorded this after the Jan. 26 and the press release about it is wrong.
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Post by mikev on Jun 18, 2009 19:12:44 GMT -5
The consensus seems to be that the demo is from Jan. 26, 1969. I'm anxious to hear the official word on it. It's definitely not the version from Jan. 26, 1969 although like that version, he does vocalize the instrumental orchestra part. The main difference is this version is played on electric guitar played through a Leslie speaker. It's most likely from the All Things Must Pass session when he was running through the songs for Phil Spector. That's just it-much of the ATMP pre-session stuff was acoustic. The Abbey Road session Something, ATMP and Old Brown Shoe were all recorded with an electric not an acoustic guitar.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 18, 2009 20:16:41 GMT -5
They've never forgotten the lesson they learned with A Collection Of Beatles Oldies, have they? When recycling the same old crap (again), make sure to drop in a previously unavailable item, then all those people who simply have to have every item will have to buy the whole thing to pick up that one track.
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Post by jimc on Jun 18, 2009 20:17:19 GMT -5
The consensus seems to be that the demo is from Jan. 26, 1969. I'm anxious to hear the official word on it. It's definitely not the version from Jan. 26, 1969 although like that version, he does vocalize the instrumental orchestra part. The main difference is this version is played on electric guitar played through a Leslie speaker. It's most likely from the All Things Must Pass session when he was running through the songs for Phil Spector. I've yet to hear that it's not the Jan. 26, 1969, version. And I really believe it is. Lewisohn says George plays a lightly strummed lead guitar. To me, this doesn't sound like any of the other Beware of Abkco demos. Like ATMP, Something, and Old Brown Shoe, it sounds like a studio demo.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jun 18, 2009 20:38:13 GMT -5
Certainly the general consensus IS that it's the Jan 26 recording. And as you say, it fits Lewisohn's description to a T. And it doesn't have the "feel" of the ATMP demos to Spector.
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Post by Mister Kite on Jun 19, 2009 4:51:20 GMT -5
Certainly the general consensus IS that it's the Jan 26 recording. And as you say, it fits Lewisohn's description to a T. And it doesn't have the "feel" of the ATMP demos to Spector. McCabe The reason I was disagreeing with the general consensus is I have the Jan 26 recording from a Get Back session bootleg and it is not the same recording as the iTunes demo. If the general consensus listened to the Jan 26 demo and then listened to the iTunes demo, they would agree they are two very different versions of the same song. Here's a link to the Jan 26 recording.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 19, 2009 11:22:38 GMT -5
It's definitely not the version from Jan. 26, 1969 although like that version, he does vocalize the instrumental orchestra part. The main difference is this version is played on electric guitar played through a Leslie speaker. It's most likely from the All Things Must Pass session when he was running through the songs for Phil Spector. I've yet to hear that it's not the Jan. 26, 1969, version. And I really believe it is. Lewisohn says George plays a lightly strummed lead guitar. To me, this doesn't sound like any of the other Beware of Abkco demos. Like ATMP, Something, and Old Brown Shoe, it sounds like a studio demo. In case you missed what I posted last night on Examiner.com, a source told me it's definitely from 1969, but gave no other details. I'm hoping it can be pinned down at some point, but for now, that's as much info as we have.
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Post by jimc on Jun 19, 2009 11:24:29 GMT -5
OK, I think I understand the confusion. I just listened to the acoustic demo of "Isn't It a Pity?" on the 30 Days boot. First, it's much shorter (by a minute) than what Lewisohn talks about and it is interrupted by conversation. This is also the day George is seen working with Ringo on "Octopus's Garden." This came early in the session on Jan. 26. After properly recording several pieces, including the "Shake, Rattle, and Roll" oldies medley and "Dig It," I believe George recorded the demo we now have from iTunes. Remember, Lewisohn says a "lead" guitar was strummed -- I take that to mean electric. It seems that the acoustic demo was only filmed, and the later electric pass was not filmed?
"The Long and Winding Road" was also recorded this day, and some sources say it was the take used on the Let It Be album.
At the Hoffman forum, one poster pointed out that if this is the Jan. 26 demo that is now available, it might considered the first Beatle song available on iTunes, and that George probably took away a taped copy that day because some are saying it doesn't necessarily sound like an 8-track studio recording. I'm not sure about that.
I'll bet dimes to doughnuts that Dhani, Olivia, whoever, did not realize what version they had in their vault. I'll be they didn't realize this tape they had was from the Apple sessions.
It will be interesting to find out.
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Post by mikev on Jun 19, 2009 11:43:53 GMT -5
Why they vetoeoed this and Goodbye, along with Kinfauns Child of Nature, Cirlces and Sour Milk Sea from Anthology we may never know.
The 30 Days version is a rehearsal take-meaning it probably wasn't tracked.
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Post by jimc on Jun 19, 2009 13:05:10 GMT -5
Why they vetoeoed this and Goodbye, along with Kinfauns Child of Nature, Cirlces and Sour Milk Sea from Anthology we may never know. The 30 Days version is a rehearsal take-meaning it probably wasn't tracked. It's strange what demos were left off. "Isn't It a Pity?" came during a Beatle session, while "ATMP" was George by himself in the studio. Maybe someday we'll get them all. Right, Lewisohn only writes about tracked takes from Apple.
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Post by beatleroadie on Jun 19, 2009 16:10:07 GMT -5
Maybe George hadn't found this demo yet while they were compiling Anthology, or maybe he simply preferred his ATMP, Something and Old Brown Shoe demos and offered those up instead...Maybe he was holding it back for his own George Harrison Anthology??? We'll probably never know. Personally, I would have killed to have "Isn't It a Pity" and "Sour Milk Sea" on Anthology 3 instead of "A Beginning" and that dreadful version of "Ain't She Sweet".
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Post by beatleroadie on Jun 19, 2009 16:19:56 GMT -5
At the Hoffman forum, one poster pointed out that if this is the Jan. 26 demo that is now available, it might considered the first Beatle song available on iTunes You could also argue that John's version of "Yer Blues" from the Rolling Stones Rock-n-Roll Circus was the first Beatles song on iTunes, too. Maybe we should start a new game. Create the best "Beatles" album using only available iTunes tracks. Cover versions, songs Lennon/McCartney gave away included, of course, but maybe for fun just limit to one solo live Beatles song per album from Paul, George, John, Ringo, cool? In other words, you can only pick one of the Beatles songs from Concert for Bangladesh, and you can't pick more than one Beatles song from each of Paul's live records....Who wants to start?
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Post by jimc on Jun 19, 2009 16:20:35 GMT -5
But if this demo is the Jan. 26 take, it exists on tape in the EMI archives. Lewisohn talks about it so it might have been up for consideration. I agree about Sour Milk Sea, etc. There's so much more good stuff to release.
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Post by mikev on Jun 19, 2009 22:15:14 GMT -5
Even the best Kinfaun bootlegs are a bit blurry for Sour Milk Sea-but based on the other Kinfauns Anthology takes-I'm sure the original tape is great as should be Child of Nature and Circles.
Generally though-I feel that Kinfauns is still original demos that for the most part feature only the songwriter multi-tracking themselves.
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Post by jimc on Jun 19, 2009 22:48:21 GMT -5
Yes, and didn't you think the Anthology demos of these songs sounded MUCH better than any previous best available source? Someday we'll hear a great-sounding Sour Milk Sea, etc.
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Post by mikev on Jun 20, 2009 11:12:29 GMT -5
Probably were taken off of the original tape.
That whole session could be an "unplugged" album-but I would also throw in Goodbye and anything else from that period like Step Inside Love.
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Post by beatleroadie on Jun 20, 2009 14:53:20 GMT -5
Coming Fall 2018...To celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the historic WHITE ALBUM...
The White Album UNPLUGGED. 2 Discs of remastered Kinfauns demos + bonus tracks "Goodbye", "Sour Milk Sea", "Step Inside Love," and the epic 11-minute version of "Revolution 1."
Not really....Apple will probably release a Commemorative White Album Dinner Plate.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jun 20, 2009 20:35:34 GMT -5
Coming Fall 2018...To celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the historic WHITE ALBUM... The White Album UNPLUGGED. 2 Discs of remastered Kinfauns demos + bonus tracks "Goodbye", "Sour Milk Sea", "Step Inside Love," and the epic 11-minute version of "Revolution 1." Not really....Apple will probably release a Commemorative White Album Dinner Plate. ;D
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Post by mikev on Jun 21, 2009 2:15:15 GMT -5
Coming Fall 2018...To celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the historic WHITE ALBUM... The White Album UNPLUGGED. 2 Discs of remastered Kinfauns demos + bonus tracks "Goodbye", "Sour Milk Sea", "Step Inside Love," and the epic 11-minute version of "Revolution 1." Not really....Apple will probably release a Commemorative White Album Dinner Plate. I'm hoping for a $400 "White" tie. ;D
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