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Post by sayne on Jul 19, 2009 0:52:10 GMT -5
I just bought tickets to see Bob Dylan, John Mellencamp , and Willie Nelson. It looks like it's part of Bob's unending tour of minor league ball parks. I'm going to see him in Lake Elsinore, California. By the way, that's $67 for 2 R&R Hall of Famers (one of whom is Paul's equal) and a country Hall of Famer (I think). Put's Paul's ticket prices in perspective. But, then again, as you will see below, Bob does 3 times less songs as Paul. Anyway, as part of the other thread on Paul's set list, we were comparing his set list to Dylan's and some of us wished Paul would change things up like Bob does. Take a look at this link and you will see what we mean by Dylan changing it up from show to show. www.bobdylan.com/#/tour But, before we praise Bob, I did notice something. Bob does about 14 songs per show. From show to show, it is different, but still about 14 songs. Now, what if his shows were 35 song shows like Paul's. I doubt if Dylan would have the same variety. As I said in the other thread, as a ratio, if Paul were to change his 35 song set as Dylan does for a 14 song set, Paul would have to have some 75 songs or so ready to go. Someone said that Bob has over 300 songs ready to go for a tour, but if one looks at the sets he's done so far, that seems to be an exaggeration. PS By the way, what are the rest of you seeing this summer? I'm seeing Keith Urban this Sunday (not my idea - my mother-in-law wanted to go), the Butthole Surfers in October, and U2, also in October. Thinking of seeing respectively, the English Beat, the Pretenders, and Psychedelic Furs, but probably won't.
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Post by gloi on Jul 19, 2009 5:01:28 GMT -5
Ah, but at least when you go and see Paul you don't spend half the song trying to work out which one it is he's singing. (sorry Bob)
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 19, 2009 5:32:06 GMT -5
Well, throughout the decades Dylan has toured and played concerts much more regularly than Paul has, so right there is more of a reason why Bob would change things up quite a bit.
I wouldn't agree that, if Dylan did 35 songs per show, he wouldn't have as many different songs to offer; Dylan's recording career boasts at least as many, if not more, albums than Paul's.
I like Bob Dylan, but I hated him live. I saw him only once, at Jones Beach in 1989 (the first year, ironically, that I first saw Paul and Ringo). I'd never see him ever again, he was that awful. I had trouble interpreting which song he was doing because he always changed the arrangement (I HATE that!!) and he was in lousy voice and never acknowledged his audience.
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Post by sayne on Jul 19, 2009 10:27:43 GMT -5
. . . I like Bob Dylan, but I hated him live. I saw him only once, at Jones Beach in 1989 (the first year, ironically, that I first saw Paul and Ringo). I'd never see him ever again, he was that awful. I had trouble interpreting which song he was doing because he always changed the arrangement (I HATE that!!) and he was in lousy voice and never acknowledged his audience. That's too bad you did not like his show, but that was 20 years ago. Maybe you should give him another chance. I've seen Bob several times and he's always been good. But, I know that Bob often is too, shall I say, not accommodating. I can see where you're coming from because I can imagine that Bob sometimes isn't INTO it, sometimes not physically capable, sometimes changes up things too much, isn't a "chatty Cathy", and so on. But, when he is on, with a great band, he's good. I can understand people expecting to hear radio versions going away disappointed. He doesn't put on a SHOW. I think Bob is best experienced in very small theaters. I think Bob is also best when pushed. The best I have seen him was when he was backed by the Band, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers , and when he toured with Paul Simon. I saw him about 2 years ago. It was weird. Bob didn't speak to the audience once, literally, and only to say "thank you" at the end and to introduce the band. But, I've seen Clapton, Prince, and Bowie, too, with hardly a word said by either of them, either. When I saw Bob last, he didn't even play guitar. He was on keyboards for every song. Quite odd. But, still it was good, not great, but certainly not awful, although I would get it if people thought it sucked. Good seats help. Since he doesn't charge too much for his show, you should give him another shot, especially if he's touring with other major people. He's no ordinary artist. Plus, he gets a whole lot of props from me for playing live as often as he does while still recording. I wish George would have toured even once every 10 years. I'll report back after I see him.
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Post by jimc on Jul 19, 2009 10:31:15 GMT -5
Enjoy the show, Sayne. Saw Dylan in St. Louis a couple of years ago and didn't mind the interesting arrangements. He's always in the process of sculpting his songs. For those who need it, he does rather straight takes of tunes like "All Along the Watchtower." With such a limited number of songs, everyone will be somewhat disappointed. It's a guessing game from night to night. As I've said, I wanted to hear "Mississippi" and "Blind Willie McTell" but cities on either side of St. Louis got those. In the end, I was pleased overall with what he did play.
We're seeing U2 in Chicago in Sept.
Butthole Surfers: we saw them in 1990 in Chicago at a small club/theater. While they played, Charlies Angels episodes were shown on a huge screen behind them. Great show.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 19, 2009 13:17:38 GMT -5
Ah, but at least when you go and see Paul you don't spend half the song trying to work out which one it is he's singing. (sorry Bob) LOL! That is half the fun! Right before Time Out Of Mind came out, I saw Dylan in Indy and we had real problems recognizing any songs until they were nearly over and even then not without the help of the two Dylan geeks in front of us. These guys knew everything about Bob and probably spent most of their time on some Dylan Message Board. I sneered to my wife and the other couple with us that good thing Beatles' fans weren't like that! I later learned from a setlist that Bob played nothing from an album coming out in just a few weeks. I have had some amazing Dylan concert experiences: when he toured with Tom Petty in 1985 or 1986; 1988 at the Indy fairgrounds where he came out and played every song superfast but he sounded great although he said nothing, not even a thank you; and in Nov. 2001 where his show did revolve around his new Love And Theft album and he was talkative and sang with as much clarity as he can anymore live. Even my wife was spellbound at this show and we paid like $37.50 for those tickets. sayne your points on the differing setlists of Paul and Bob and song count are good ones. I tend to like Springsteen's concert approach best where there are about a dozen or so songs he plays every night but everything else is up for grabs and more like Paul, you know what Springsteen is singing without having to ask our counterparts on Springsteen Message Boards. ;D I would have seen Dylan, Mellencamp and Nelson who played South Bend, Indiana this past July 4 but my wife and I hit the road for New Orleans July 2 taking advantage of that three day weekend to squeeze in an extra day of vacation. I wanted to see it but vacations are too rare for us to miss.
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