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Post by joshferrell on Jul 20, 2009 18:50:00 GMT -5
what do you consider to be Lennons worst album and his worst song.(yes it can include songs he did with the beatles as well) mine would be (for songs) mine would be (for songs)(and this is a hard one) 1.all of Sometime in new york except for "woman is the nigger","new york city","john sinclair"(not because of the lyrics but the melody) 2.beef jerky his worst album (in my opinion) 1.sometime in new york" 2.rock n roll 3.pussy cats
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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 21, 2009 5:09:54 GMT -5
Song: Nutopian National Anthem - yes, very clever, John (snore). Album: Sometime in New York City - bad judgement made flesh. Well, vinyl.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 21, 2009 6:11:38 GMT -5
SOME TIME IN NEW YORK CITY is easily John's nadir as a solo artist, though I actually do enjoy some tracks off it. His worst song for me has always been "Sunday Bloody Sunday".
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Post by OldFred on Jul 21, 2009 8:49:30 GMT -5
Some Time In New York City, John when he abandoned his artistic muse.
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Post by sayne on Jul 21, 2009 9:33:39 GMT -5
I always thought that John's downfall was the use of the Elephant's Memory Band. Man, I hated their sound.
Also, it seemed that, like George and Ringo, anyone who dropped by was put on tape. If they had kept their bands small, I think a lot of their recordings would have presented the songs much better.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 21, 2009 10:34:55 GMT -5
Least Favorite Lennon Song: "One Day At A Time." Man, I hate the falsetto and the sugar plum fairy lyrics. The version on Lennon Anthology where John sings in his regular voice is better but we are still stuck with the plodding song. Honorable Mention: "Sweet Little Sixteen" from Rock -n- Roll. John, what did you do to Chuck Berry here? The grossly slowed down tempo, the sickly horns that sound like symphonic diarrhea, the blasphemous vocal? Go to The Beatles At The B.B.C. to hear how it should be done. Least Favorite Lennon Album: Sometime In New York City. What can I say although I do like several tracks. I do not think that the album is terrible, just my least favorite.
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Post by johnpaulharstar on Jul 21, 2009 12:18:43 GMT -5
My least favorite song is "How Do You Sleep", but I'm not sure I'd call it his worst, but then again maybe I will.
Worst Album" SOMETIME IN NEW YORK CITY (though it is better than many give it credit for)
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Post by mikev on Jul 21, 2009 14:35:35 GMT -5
Sometime in NYC is pretty solid musically, but the lyrics have aged brutally regardless of controversy, and not counting the live disc, is my least favorite.
Worst song: Do the Oz
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Post by ursamajor on Jul 22, 2009 20:34:44 GMT -5
Least favourite Lennon song is Only People from Mind Games. The song itself is probably not that bad but the arrangements and the production make me cringe every time I hear it.
Least favourite album is Sometime in NYC. Like others have said, musically it is quite a solid album but just way too topical and irrelevant nowadays. I want to give Yoko marks for Sister's O'Sisters and We're All Water. I think they add alot to this album.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 22, 2009 22:04:59 GMT -5
Least favourite Lennon song is Only People from Mind Games. The song itself is probably not that bad but the arrangements and the production make me cringe every time I hear it. I totally agree with you on "Only People." A lot of Mind Games suffers from the arrangement and production. "One Day At A Time." "Intuition" is a good song but it is a horrible recording, what with the cheesy lounge keyboards and the opening, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, alright!" John Lennon imitating Tony Orlando sucks! I love John and Yoko's delicate, at times stirring, singing on "Angela" even though I despise Angela Davis and the lyrics portraying this domestic terrorist as a victim is a farce. J & Y sure sing beautifully on it though!
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Post by ursamajor on Jul 22, 2009 23:40:50 GMT -5
I totally agree with you on "Only People." A lot of Mind Games suffers from the arrangement and production. "One Day At A Time." "Intuition" is a good song but it is a horrible recording, what with the cheesy lounge keyboards and the opening, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, alright!" John Lennon imitating Tony Orlando sucks! John Winston produced this himself which probably explains the bad decisions made when recording all the songs that have been mentioned so far. Could have been so much better. Angela is again a great song musically but for all the effort that went into making it sound so good and such a different song .. well .. how can I put this delicately...the song means nothing to me.
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Post by Zander on Aug 11, 2009 16:41:58 GMT -5
Well I'm gonna have to disagree with all of you - I must be a sado masochist or something - but I love SINYC! Sunday Bloody Sunday is an pre-cursor to rap - very funky / groovy, I especially like Angela. Why aren't you guys picking Two Virgins etc?!!!
Reckon my least favourite album (well the one I play least) is Two Virgins.
Least favourite track, ooo, Nutopian National Anthem. Not funny. Or Oh Yoko!
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 12, 2009 0:15:00 GMT -5
Well I'm gonna have to disagree with all of you - I must be a sado masochist or something - but I love SINYC! Sunday Bloody Sunday is an pre-cursor to rap - very funky / groovy, I especially like Angela. Why aren't you guys picking Two Virgins etc?!!! Reckon my least favourite album (well the one I play least) is Two Virgins. Least favourite track, ooo, Nutopian National Anthem. Not funny. Or Oh Yoko! I for one like "Sunday Bloody Sunday" a lot. I think that it is one of John's great vocals. It is very passionate although later people like U2 don't like the "up in arms" sentiment expressed therein. I have already expressed my admiration of "Angela" as to the singing and structure of the song.
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Post by hotassun on Aug 12, 2009 7:55:39 GMT -5
"Forgive Me My Little Flower Princes" is the worst recording in the history of recorded music......
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Post by mikev on Aug 12, 2009 11:41:42 GMT -5
"Forgive Me My Little Flower Princes" is the worst recording in the history of recorded music...... considering the great songs Lennon had unfinished- this one really is a clunker. Remember- Milk and Honey was really just live in the studio rehearsal material-similar to the Walls and Bridges material on Menlove Avenue.
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Post by nine on Aug 13, 2009 21:30:03 GMT -5
"Forgive Me My Little Flower Princes" is the worst recording in the history of recorded music...... I think the music isn't too bad. The lyrics are poor though.... a poor man's Woman. The same 'ess' rhyming scheme. I read once that he'd left the lyric sheet at home on the day he recorded this track.
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Post by nine on Aug 13, 2009 21:31:08 GMT -5
"Forgive Me My Little Flower Princes" is the worst recording in the history of recorded music...... Remember- Milk and Honey was really just live in the studio rehearsal material-similar to the Walls and Bridges material on Menlove Avenue. That's what makes Nobody Told Me So Great. It was basically live. I don't think any further work on this track could have improved it.
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Post by Panther on Sept 7, 2009 14:50:41 GMT -5
I despise Angela Davis and the lyrics portraying this domestic terrorist as a victim is a farce. J & Y sure sing beautifully on it though! Er... what? Last time I checked, Angela Davis was a philosophy professor and an activist in prison reform (she also quit the Communist party years ago). She has been convicted of no crime. How do we go from that to "domestic terrorist" Even if you think she did know about George Jackson's brother and the gun, etc. -- an obvious frame by the Reagan-administration of California -- she herself hurt no one, and it's a bit much to label her a "terrorist" when she was acquitted of all charges. If you want to talk about terrorists, how about the I.R.A. in the 1970s, which John Lennon personally funded with large sums of money?
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 7, 2009 20:31:33 GMT -5
I despise Angela Davis and the lyrics portraying this domestic terrorist as a victim is a farce. J & Y sure sing beautifully on it though! Er... what? Last time I checked, Angela Davis was a philosophy professor and an activist in prison reform (she also quit the Communist party years ago). She has been convicted of no crime. How do we go from that to "domestic terrorist" Even if you think she did know about George Jackson's brother and the gun, etc. -- an obvious frame by the Reagan-administration of California -- she herself hurt no one, and it's a bit much to label her a "terrorist" when she was acquitted of all charges. If you want to talk about terrorists, how about the I.R.A. in the 1970s, which John Lennon personally funded with large sums of money? The sawed-off shotgun registered in Angela Davis' name was for her hobby of squirrel hunting, eh? I bet Judge Harold Haley's family thinks that she is a terrorist too. Hanging with and supporting people who kill judges, policemen and prison guards is being a terrorist to me. P.S. I agree with you on the brutal, terrorist tactics of the I.R.A. I don't mean to downplay or minimize though the repression of Catholics in Northern Ireland. The I.R.A. deliberately targeting "soft," civilian targets was wrong.
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Post by Panther on Sept 7, 2009 23:24:42 GMT -5
I can respect your opinion, but given the mountain of evidence against her involvement in it, and the fact that she was acquitted after clearly being framed by the Reagan admin. (and fired for being a Communist), I find it dubious that you would impartially conclude that "she's a terrorist". And no, I certainly don't think that being friends with someone who was disturbed (and we're talking about a 17 year old here) makes her a "terrorist". According to your logic, John Lennon was a "murderer" because he had befriended Michael X.
Even if -- and I think it's extremely unlikely -- Angela Davis did give the kid brother a gun, how does that make her a terrorist? My grandfather gave me a rifle when I was 4. If I shoot someone now, does that make my Grandfather a terrorist?
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 8, 2009 9:15:47 GMT -5
I can respect your opinion, but given the mountain of evidence against her involvement in it, and the fact that she was acquitted after clearly being framed by the Reagan admin. (and fired for being a Communist), I find it dubious that you would impartially conclude that "she's a terrorist". And no, I certainly don't think that being friends with someone who was disturbed (and we're talking about a 17 year old here) makes her a "terrorist". According to your logic, John Lennon was a "murderer" because he had befriended Michael X. Even if -- and I think it's extremely unlikely -- Angela Davis did give the kid brother a gun, how does that make her a terrorist? My grandfather gave me a rifle when I was 4. If I shoot someone now, does that make my Grandfather a terrorist? I think that she was caught up in those radical times but unlike other radicals like John Lennon, Abbie Hoffman or Jerry Rubin, people were actually getting killed by her associates. I realize that she was acquitted but that just means to me that the State could not carry its burden of proof because of the nature of the evidence or got out-lawyered because Davis had a high-powered, pro bono defense team. O.J. Simpson and Robert Blake were acquitted but I believe both of them killed their wives. We will have to agree to disagree here but even if I am too strong in calling her a domestic terrorist I still dislike her views and greatly dislike her associations with convicted killers. I like the song "Angela" because of the harmony singing of John and Yoko which I think is lovely and I was just stating my dislike of the subject matter. I also like "Sunday Bloody Sunday" but you'll see that I pointed out in a post above that the call to arms by John there has been condemned by even other pop stars like U2 who urged peaceful engagement in Northern Ireland.
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Post by Panther on Sept 8, 2009 10:39:21 GMT -5
Fair enough, I just thought labelling an acquitted person, who made her name as an intellectual, a "terrorist", was too much.
I do concede that George Jackson was a cold-blooded killer -- he admitted it to his own lawyer.
But we're getting a bit off topic...
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Post by beatlesaint on Sept 11, 2009 8:42:28 GMT -5
anyway back to topic worst album - Two Virgins worst song - Do The Oz
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 11, 2009 15:12:30 GMT -5
anyway back to topic worst album - Two Virgins worst song - Do The Oz I have a bootleg c.d. of Two Virgins and when I played it on headphones once there were some spoken parts that made me laugh out loud so I believe it has some merit as a recording; it elicited a laugh from me which John clearly intended by his funny remarks. Having said that, I didn't count the Unfinished Music series in my pick as those are pretty bad compared to John's(or John & Yoko's) actual music albums.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 14, 2009 18:29:56 GMT -5
The least interesting album John recorded was the Rock and Roll album. The arrangements with all the horns and the buried guitar sound is just plain bad. Many of the songs chosen were not very interesting with some exceptions.
The worst song John wrote post Beatles is probably John Sinclair: "It ain't fair, John Sinclair, in the stir for breathing air, won't you care for John Sinclair in the stir for breathing air. They gave him 10 for 2, what else can the judges do. You got to got to got to got got to got to set him free... Set him free, lift the lid, take him to his wife and kid." Cringe.
And the tune is not much better. No real melody and nothing to commend it.
Otherwise Sometime in New York City has some songs that aren't too bad except We're All Water: "we're all water in this vast vast ocean. Some day we'll evaporate together." That's got to be tongue in cheek.
But the album is still really John's Wild Life, though he meant it to be All Things Must Pass.
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Post by nine on Sept 15, 2009 4:32:45 GMT -5
The least interesting album John recorded was the Rock and Roll album. The arrangements with all the horns and the buried guitar sound is just plain bad. Many of the songs chosen were not very interesting with some exceptions. Well I wonder how these albums would go in a vote... Rock'n'Roll - John Lennon Choba i CCCP (sic) - Paul McCartney Run Devil Run - Paul McCartney
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 15, 2009 5:11:02 GMT -5
The Rock 'n' Roll abum was astonishing - how could someone with Lennon's pedigree miss the point of so many songs so comprehensively?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 15, 2009 5:58:45 GMT -5
The least interesting album John recorded was the Rock and Roll album. The arrangements with all the horns and the buried guitar sound is just plain bad. Many of the songs chosen were not very interesting with some exceptions. Perhaps. But I'll tell you this - and I don't say this just to stir you up, because it's my honest feeling - I liked John's "Oldies" collection better than Paul's. I think John's AIN'T THAT A SHAME, different as it is, blows McCartney's away. How about the great guitar, which is unusual? And at least John was daring enough to use the word "Bastards". Oh, that cool, rebellious, teen-appealing Lennon! He did? How do you know that? I think John was just more interested in getting what he felt was "an important message out". I don't think he seriously thought he was making a msterpiece. He didn't care about just making some #1 hit, unlike say ..... Paul.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 15, 2009 8:34:35 GMT -5
....But the album is still really John's Wild Life, though he meant it to be All Things Must Pass. Okay, I have no more reason to live! Arch-Paul fan RTP disses my beloved Wings Wild Life. I am crushed RTP. I have laid my credibility on the line for this album. I have danced naked to "Mumbo." I agree with you that John's production on Rock -n- Roll leaves a lot to be desired. See my writing above about the horrid "Sweet Little Sixteen." The best song is "Peggy Sue" because John sticks to just the guitars and no horns. He didn't defile Buddy. Yet this album is saved by the remastered and/or remixed version of a few years ago. That gave this album a vitality it never had until then.
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Post by ursamajor on Sept 20, 2009 7:18:00 GMT -5
Yet this album is saved by the remastered and/or remixed version of a few years ago. That gave this album a vitality it never had until then. Absolutely !!! John's Rock'n'Roll is a classic imo. My fave cuts are Peggy Sue, Bony Moronie is a snarling ass-kicker, Bring It On Home is punchy and the rest except for Sweet Little 16 and You Can't Catch Me are fantastic. The two above mentioned songs have the suffocating horn arrangements, they should've been done better.
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