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Post by nine on Aug 7, 2009 11:06:17 GMT -5
Am I the only person that likes this song?
How people dare rate dribble like Loving Flame and Once Upon A Long Ago above this gutsy, moody little swamper, I'll never know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2009 19:59:24 GMT -5
I think there are 2 of you that like this song.....
The 3 songs you've mentioned should have remained exercises in songwriting that didn't quite work..Paul's bullshit meter jammed not long after he left The Beatles.....unfortunately....
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 8, 2009 6:42:18 GMT -5
I quite like Bip Bop too, but I can't help wondering how it managed to escape here from the McCartney sub-forum.
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Post by nine on Aug 8, 2009 10:17:12 GMT -5
I quite like Bip Bop too, but I can't help wondering how it managed to escape here from the McCartney sub-forum. The good stuff always escapes. It can't be (single) pigeon holed. Shoot me if you want for that totally non cutting edge humour. 9!
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Post by wooltonian on Aug 8, 2009 11:33:12 GMT -5
I quite like Bip Bop too, but I can't help wondering how it managed to escape here from the McCartney sub-forum. I reckon it's only a matter of time before this post is snatched away in the middle of the night and removed to a remote, poster-free McCartney specialist area, where it will disappear under a bizarre assortment of stickies, notices, sub-topic sections, bulletins, sub-sub topic sub-divisions, warnings, special links and buttons that whisk you into the dark hole of oblivion. It may, if it's lucky, re-emerge in a parallel universe. Bip bop, bip bop bop...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 10, 2009 6:36:24 GMT -5
Am I the only person that likes this song? How people dare rate dribble like Loving Flame and Once Upon A Long Ago above this gutsy, moody little swamper, I'll never know. 9 I enjoy it immensely - for what it is. And that's the problem some fans can't get past when they're unable to enjoy "offbeat" or "fun" knock-off songs of this type. They want a proper Paul song, every time. WILD LIFE RULZ!!! ;D
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Post by nine on Aug 10, 2009 10:16:35 GMT -5
Am I the only person that likes this song? How people dare rate dribble like Loving Flame and Once Upon A Long Ago above this gutsy, moody little swamper, I'll never know. 9 I enjoy it immensely - for what it is. And that's the problem some fans can't get past when they're unable to enjoy "offbeat" or "fun" knock-off songs of this type. They want a proper Paul song, every time. WILD LIFE RULZ!!! ;D I concur! Why is this track always singled out when there are far easier targets?
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Post by secretfriend on Aug 10, 2009 18:56:40 GMT -5
The only thing better than "Bip Bop" is the live version of "Bip Bop" from Wings' 1972 tour. From my "Wings Live in Amsterdam" album (although in poor fidelity), it actually sounds pretty good. On top of that, it's followed up by a pretty rockin' version of "Mumbo". These two songs don't sound half bad live (the audience seemed to be getting into it). Throw in some live versions of The Mess, Smile Away, Eat at Home, Soily, Hi Hi Hi and even Blue Moon of Kentucky, and you realize that '72 version of Wings really did rock live.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 10, 2009 21:56:25 GMT -5
The only thing better than "Bip Bop" is the live version of "Bip Bop" from Wings' 1972 tour. From my "Wings Live in Amsterdam" album (although in poor fidelity), it actually sounds pretty good. On top of that, it's followed up by a pretty rockin' version of "Mumbo". These two songs don't sound half bad live (the audience seemed to be getting into it). Throw in some live versions of The Mess, Smile Away, Eat at Home, Soily, Hi Hi Hi and even Blue Moon of Kentucky, and you realize that '72 version of Wings really did rock live. There you go! I have said here for years that a live "Mumbo" would shake the cobwebs off those old farts who now go to Paul's concerts. They would rediscover their rock and roll souls! But no, Paul plays lame stuff like "Coming Up" and "C-Moon" which was lame back in its day! I am bummed because I have a boot called Wings Live In New Castle and it omits "Bip Bop" and "Mumbo." It must be from 1973 because there is a live "My Love"and other Red Rose Speedway cuts. I like "Bip Bop." It has a funky groove.
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Post by secretfriend on Aug 11, 2009 17:19:59 GMT -5
I think they dropped "Eat at Home", "Smile Away", "Bip Bop" and "Mumbo" by their '73 shows. The live version of My Love from this concert has some nice "my love" response harmonies from Linda that didn't make the actual record. They probably wisely omitted this from the recording, but it's nice to hear this variation.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Aug 12, 2009 14:33:53 GMT -5
I think there are 2 of you that like this song..... Paul's bullshit meter jammed not long after he left The Beatles.....unfortunately.... I could say something similar happened to you. You must not have listened very carefully to Paul's complete solo career. Are you saying he didn't produce much worthwhile or just a higher percent not worthwhile? If the latter is true, why do you say "unfortunately"? After you've gone through what you say is bullshit you still have a large percent that is worthwhile. Paul's catalog is the envy of almost every artist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 2:51:16 GMT -5
I think there are 2 of you that like this song..... Paul's bullshit meter jammed not long after he left The Beatles.....unfortunately.... I could say something similar happened to you. You must not have listened very carefully to Paul's complete solo career. Are you saying he didn't produce much worthwhile or just a higher percent not worthwhile? If the latter is true, why do you say "unfortunately"? After you've gone through what you say is bullshit you still have a large percent that is worthwhile. Paul's catalog is the envy of almost every artist. Paul is my favourite musician,i think he is brilliant but some of his songs show a lack of real effort,and it's nearly always the lyrics that are at fault...We could use up all of Steve's bandwith debating it but it won't change the one element of Paul's ability that cops the most criticism.... Maybe it's the price he pays for being so prolific,however,i will say that if you listen to Paul explain what the song is about and then read or listen to the lyrics,the explanation is always better than the lyrics which may mean he can't quite capture his ideas in words.. He has no peer for melody but a song is made up of many different parts and he's not strong in all of them,most ,but not all. I have all of his officially released solo and Beatle music and quite a number of bootlegs as well,even some from you.. ;D
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Post by ChokingSmoker on Aug 13, 2009 14:00:53 GMT -5
I quite like Bip Bop too, but I can't help wondering how it managed to escape here from the McCartney sub-forum. I reckon it's only a matter of time before this post is snatched away in the middle of the night and removed to a remote, poster-free McCartney specialist area, where it will disappear under a bizarre assortment of stickies, notices, sub-topic sections, bulletins, sub-sub topic sub-divisions, warnings, special links and buttons that whisk you into the dark hole of oblivion. It may, if it's lucky, re-emerge in a parallel universe. Bip bop, bip bop bop... Parallel universes are left for the likes of Einstein and all those other astrophysics types. Are we to say that John is still banging out hits in some other universe? And that Paul is still trying to earn his way into that universe with such wonders as Bip bop? Stay on the Sullivan theater rooftop Paul, it is your only chance in John's universe!!!!
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Post by wooltonian on Aug 13, 2009 16:08:58 GMT -5
I think there are 2 of you that like this song..... Paul's bullshit meter jammed not long after he left The Beatles.....unfortunately.... I could say something similar happened to you. You must not have listened very carefully to Paul's complete solo career. Are you saying he didn't produce much worthwhile or just a higher percent not worthwhile? If the latter is true, why do you say "unfortunately"? After you've gone through what you say is bullshit you still have a large percent that is worthwhile. Paul's catalog is the envy of almost every artist. Whatever you do, you mustn't say his voice is shot. World War Three erupts.
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Post by sayne on Aug 13, 2009 21:10:45 GMT -5
I think the problem with "Bip Bop" and the whole Wings Wild Life album is how it was presented. We all appreciate the "silly" Beatle and solo Beatle songs. What makes them tolerable and pleasing is that they are in context with a mess load of great songs. Wild Honey Pie is not as vile or dumb to some of us because it is in the same boat as "Happiness is a Warm Gun" and "Back in the USSR". However, if there had been a single album with :Wild Honey Pie," "Revolution #9", "Why Don't We Do It in the Road", "Good Night", "What's the New Mary Jane", "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)" and 4 more "lesser" Beatle songs in that time period, everyone would have been aghast.
If "Bip Bob" had been a single silly song surrounded with great songs, we may have seen it in a different light. Same goes for the Wild Life album. If it had been released and promoted as a collection outtakes or something and priced accordingly, rather than a "proper" album, perhaps many would have been more forgiving.
People work hard for their money. If one is going to ask people to part with their cash, I think one owes them an honest, authentic, effort. I've spent money on really bad albums, but haven't minded because I appreciated the effort and the attempt to say something. I get experimentation, and I really appreciate the less is more philosophy. However, have enough respect for me as a consumer of art to do more that to just cut a few fun tracks and pass them off as statements of what you are as an artist. My gosh, even the punks with their dinky little 3 chord 2 minute songs gave their all. The B-52s wrote fun silly songs, but there was effort involved. So, I think it let's Paul off the hook to put any positive spin on "Bip Bop" or Wild Life. He admits to the lack of effort, in so many words.
I remember an interview with David Lee Roth during the early days of MTV where he described Van Halen music as art - finger painting, but art nevertheless. That's my point. If one is going to do any art, even fingerpainting, put your all into it and make it the best fingerpainting you can make. I think Paul should have been honest with us and either put more effort into "Bip Bop" and the other songs in Wild Life or reducing the price of the record or giving it away for fan club members. If it were today, it would be appropriate to make them available as free downloads.
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Post by nine on Aug 13, 2009 21:35:03 GMT -5
I think the problem with "Bip Bop" and the whole Wings Wild Life album is how it was presented. We all appreciate the "silly" Beatle and solo Beatle songs. What makes them tolerable and pleasing is that they are in context with a mess load of great songs. Wild Honey Pie is not as vile or dumb to some of us because it is in the same boat as "Happiness is a Warm Gun" and "Back in the USSR". However, if there had been a single album with :Wild Honey Pie," "Revolution #9", "Why Don't We Do It in the Road", "Good Night", "What's the New Mary Jane", "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)" and 4 more "lesser" Beatle songs in that time period, everyone would have been aghast. If "Bip Bob" had been a single silly song surrounded with great songs, we may have seen it in a different light. Same goes for the Wild Life album. If it had been released and promoted as a collection outtakes or something and priced accordingly, rather than a "proper" album, perhaps many would have been more forgiving. People work hard for their money. If one is going to ask people to part with their cash, I think one owes them an honest, authentic, effort. I've spent money on really bad albums, but haven't minded because I appreciated the effort and the attempt to say something. I get experimentation, and I really appreciate the less is more philosophy. However, have enough respect for me as a consumer of art to do more that to just cut a few fun tracks and pass them off as statements of what you are as an artist. My gosh, even the punks with their dinky little 3 chord 2 minute songs gave their all. The B-52s wrote fun silly songs, but there was effort involved. So, I think it let's Paul off the hook to put any positive spin on "Bip Bop" or Wild Life. He admits to the lack of effort, in so many words. I remember an interview with David Lee Roth during the early days of MTV where he described Van Halen music as art - finger painting, but art nevertheless. That's my point. If one is going to do any art, even fingerpainting, put your all into it and make it the best fingerpainting you can make. I think Paul should have been honest with us and either put more effort into "Bip Bop" and the other songs in Wild Life or reducing the price of the record or giving it away for fan club members. If it were today, it would be appropriate to make them available as free downloads. It is surrounded by some great songs. Dear Friend and Tomorrow are classics. I love Wild Life. It's a great album.
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Post by sayne on Aug 14, 2009 0:44:45 GMT -5
. . . It is surrounded by some great songs. Dear Friend and Tomorrow are classics. Yeah, I hum those songs all the time and I think they are in everyone's top 10 Paul solo songs of all time. Thanks for making my case.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 14, 2009 6:10:54 GMT -5
. . . It is surrounded by some great songs. Dear Friend and Tomorrow are classics. Yeah, I hum those songs all the time and I think they are in everyone's top 10 Paul solo songs of all time. Thanks for making my case. You've made no case to me. I think of those two songs (and others off the underrated and offbeat WILD LIFE LP) quite often. It's very shallow to imply that in order for songs to be enjoyable they must be "in everyone's top 10 Paul solo songs of all time". As for the humming, that's the whole point about BIP BOP -- it says nothing, but damned if it doesn't stay in your mind, that hummable tune.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 14, 2009 6:16:38 GMT -5
I could say something similar happened to you. You must not have listened very carefully to Paul's complete solo career. Are you saying he didn't produce much worthwhile or just a higher percent not worthwhile? If the latter is true, why do you say "unfortunately"? After you've gone through what you say is bullshit you still have a large percent that is worthwhile. Paul's catalog is the envy of almost every artist. Whatever you do, you mustn't say his voice is shot. World War Three erupts. Yeah, really. Jim actually DID stay away because of that opinion? Unreal!
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Post by sayne on Aug 14, 2009 10:19:18 GMT -5
. . . As for the humming, that's the whole point about BIP BOP -- it says nothing, but damned if it doesn't stay in your mind, that hummable tune. Yeah, and so do "It's a Small World" and "You're Having My Baby" AND they say something, but they're tripe, too.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 14, 2009 10:48:18 GMT -5
Whatever you do, you mustn't say his voice is shot. World War Three erupts. Yeah, really. Jim actually DID stay away because of that opinion? Unreal! Only Jim himself can answer that so we shouldn't speculate and he knows the door is open as he is a friend among friends here.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 14, 2009 17:21:40 GMT -5
Yeah, really. Jim actually DID stay away because of that opinion? Unreal! Only Jim himself can answer that so we shouldn't speculate I'm not speculating though; he did say that the constant criticizing of Paul's voice as being "shot" was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak...
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Post by secretfriend on Aug 15, 2009 11:42:18 GMT -5
Mumbo live!!
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Post by beatleroadie on Aug 16, 2009 15:54:55 GMT -5
There's a Paul interview from 1990 on YouTube where a reporter asks Paul what his least favorite song is and Paul says he's not too fond of "Bip Bop".
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Post by sayne on Aug 16, 2009 16:20:45 GMT -5
". . . the aminals in the zoo . . ." I always liked that line. For the record, I'll give you "Wild Life" and "Mumbo". That's as far as I can go. REALLY, I tried. Gave it a hard listen. (Surprised my turntable even worked )
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 16, 2009 23:18:41 GMT -5
Fantastic, secretfriend! How raw, how utterly sexual! Paul even looks like a hot stud ready to love-slay the ladies. That is rock and roll. Think how Paul's current band could rock out to that! Of course, Paul doesn't get the words right. Too bad there were no teleprompters back then. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 2:39:36 GMT -5
Helloooooooooooo............Helloooooooooooooo
I saw this thread had been moved ......
I'm just checking for echo in here....
man these walls reverberate.... ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 17, 2009 6:20:58 GMT -5
". . . the aminals in the zoo . . ." I always liked that line. For the record, I'll give you "Wild Life" and "Mumbo". That's as far as I can go. REALLY, I tried. Gave it a hard listen. ) And those aren't even two of the more "proper" songs on the album!
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Post by ursamajor on Sept 29, 2009 17:55:02 GMT -5
Wild Life is just a throwaway fun and enjoyable in parts but nothing to be taken as a serious artistic statement ala All Things Must Pass, POB or Imagine.
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