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Post by stavros on Dec 6, 2009 7:13:07 GMT -5
All of Paul's compilation albums concentrate on his career with Wings with very few of the post 1980 hits thrown in. Whilst his output certainly slowed down once Wings split there is still enough stuff out there to put together a decent compilation album. From Press to Play, Flowers in the Dirt, Off the Ground, Flaming Pie, Run Devil Run, Driving Rain, Chaos & Creation, Memory Almost Full a number of "Live" albums and his Fireman albums too. Plus you could throw in "Vanilla Sky"
The question is would it be commercially viable?
Despite the fact that there is some top quality music (& some total dross ;)from Paul from the last 25 years the average music fan will probably be ignorant of it and the hardcore fans will already own it.
Any thoughts or even a possible tracklisting?
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 6, 2009 14:34:45 GMT -5
Despite the fact that there is some top quality music (& some total dross ;)from Paul from the last 25 years the average music fan will probably be ignorant of it and the hardcore fans will already own it. I think you answered your own question.
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Post by Allan on Dec 7, 2009 19:05:54 GMT -5
If a new compilation does happen, most likely it will be from 1970-2009, but to answer your question, my opinion would be...... No more lonely nights Spies like us My brave face Hope of deliverance Beautiful night Fine line Dance tonight
but the list could also add.... World tonight Put it there Jenny Wren Sing the changes Only mama knows This one Press Only love remains
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Post by OldFred on Dec 7, 2009 19:16:49 GMT -5
If a new compilation does happen, most likely it will be from 1970-2009, but to answer your question, my opinion would be...... No more lonely nights Spies like us My brave face Hope of deliverance Beautiful night Fine line Dance tonight but the list could also add.... World tonight Put it there Jenny Wren Sing the changes Only mama knows This one Press Only love remains That's not a bad line-up. If we used the same 2 CD model as Wingspan, you could also add: Cosmically Conscious (Complete Version) That Was Me So Bad Not Such A Bad Boy Somedays No Other Baby English Tea Calico Skies Here Today Highway Wanderlust Pretty Little Head Figure Of Eight Mama's Little Girl Get Out Of My Way What's That You're Doing? Simple As That Through Our Love
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Post by Allan on Dec 7, 2009 22:30:46 GMT -5
If a new compilation does happen, most likely it will be from 1970-2009, but to answer your question, my opinion would be...... No more lonely nights Spies like us My brave face Hope of deliverance Beautiful night Fine line Dance tonight but the list could also add.... World tonight Put it there Jenny Wren Sing the changes Only mama knows This one Press Only love remains That's not a bad line-up. If we used the same 2 CD model as Wingspan, you could also add: Cosmically Conscious (Complete Version) That Was Me So Bad Not Such A Bad Boy Somedays No Other Baby English Tea Calico Skies Here Today Highway Wanderlust Pretty Little Head Figure Of Eight Mama's Little Girl Get Out Of My Way What's That You're Doing? Simple As That Through Our Love I would buy that in a heartbeat.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 8, 2009 0:01:10 GMT -5
Joey Self has done Paul McCartney solo song tourneys here where the scores of great solo songs by Paul become obvious. All the weak stuff drops off quickly but the songs that survive the very large first round are all interesting and have merit.
A Macca Comp from 1984 to 2009 would be excellent and I don't hesitate to say that. It will take me a while to draw up a setlist but that would be fun.
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 8, 2009 0:13:52 GMT -5
It would be better than Wingspan, imo
No More Lonely Nights Press Only Love Remains Pretty Little Head Once Upon Along Ago My Brave Face This One Figure of Eight Be Bop A Lula (Unplugged) Summertime Blues (Russian Album) Hope of Deliverance Off the Ground C'mon People Young Boy The World Tonight Beautiful Night Somedays No Other Baby Shake A Hand Lonely Road Your Loving Flame From A Lover to a Friend Rinse the Raindrops Fine Line Jenny Wren Too Much Rain Anyway Ever Present Past Dance Tonight Vintage Clothes House of Wax
Do it Paul, do it.
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 8, 2009 4:42:46 GMT -5
But why would he do an album which nobody except completists would buy?
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Post by OldFred on Dec 8, 2009 6:56:43 GMT -5
But why would he do an album which nobody except completists would buy? The carrot in these type of compilations would be the inclusion of new songs exclusive to the collection. True that Paul only added one new song on 'Wingspan', and that was an outtake. But many of the songs listed for the proposed new collection never got that much exposure to the general public, and if promoted well, might actually do very well saleswise. We know how good the songs are, the public just needs to discover them as well.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 8, 2009 17:35:21 GMT -5
But why would he do an album which nobody except completists would buy? Why does any one do a best of or boxed set--for the fans. And then you can add more casual fans with some new songs and unreleased gems.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 8, 2009 17:44:15 GMT -5
All of Paul's compilation albums concentrate on his career with Wings with very few of the post 1980 hits thrown in. Whilst his output certainly slowed down once Wings split there is still enough stuff out there to put together a decent compilation album. From Press to Play, Flowers in the Dirt, Off the Ground, Flaming Pie, Run Devil Run, Driving Rain, Chaos & Creation, Memory Almost Full a number of "Live" albums and his Fireman albums too. Plus you could throw in "Vanilla Sky" The question is would it be commercially viable? Despite the fact that there is some top quality music (& some total dross ;)from Paul from the last 25 years the average music fan will probably be ignorant of it and the hardcore fans will already own it. Any thoughts or even a possible tracklisting? Name one artist that doesn't have some dross in 25 years. What you are not emplasizing is the high quality of the good tracks. In the end it doesn't matter how many misses you had, only how many worthwhile tracks exist. No one talks about Mozart's misses and you know he had some. They talk about the good part of his work. Same with pop music. We have to get beyond judging 10 tracks at a given time and declaring they weren't up to par. You have to look at everything else in that time period that was unreleased or not put on the album. The album is too limiting especially for Paul who did not always put his best songs on the albums. In fact he has not released some of his best 1980s songs among them my namesake Return To Pepperland. I's like to see him release that album along with some of the unreleased tracks from that era: Return To Pepperland (June 1987) 20th Anniversary of Sgt. Pepper 1 Return To Pepperland 2 Lindiana 3 Yvonne's the One 4 I Love This House 5 Christian Pop 6 The Lovliest Thing 7 On the Wings of A Nightingale (demo) 8 Shallow Grave (with Elvis) 9 Back On My Feet (with Elvis) 10 So Like Candy (with Elvis) 11 Once Upon A Long Ago 12 Waterspout 13 Same Time Next Year 14 Cage 15 Pads Plaws and Claws (with Elvis) What a follow up to Press to Play this would have made instead of releasing the rehash All The Best. I don't think the 80s were such a low point for Paul. This was only so in the minds of the critics mostly. Part of it was Paul's fault for not constructing his albums to include all the best available tracks.
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Post by kc on Dec 8, 2009 18:46:58 GMT -5
When Wingspan came out I was not happy that it included post-Wings tracks. Therefore, in itme I burned my own variation of it, ending with songs from the Back To The Egg album from 1979. Then I compiled my own follow up, unoriginally titled Maccaspan for convenience and included output from 1980 to 1997. I stopped at this latter year as I saw Linda's death in 1998 as being an equivalent event in Paul's life as the 1970 break up of the Beatles. Here is my Maccaspan tracklist:
Coming Up Waterfalls Tug Of War Take It Away Somebody Who Cares Here Today Ballroom Dancing Wanderlust Ebony And Ivory Pipes Of Peace Say Say Say So Bad No More Lonely Nights Stranglehold Press Once Upon A Long Ago Back On My Feet My Brave Face We Got Married Put It There Figure Of Eight Motor Of Love Hope Of Deliverance Looking For Changes I Owe It All To You C'mon People Keep Coming Back To Love The World Tonight If You Wanna Somedays Young Boy Heaven On A Sunday Beautiful Night Love Come Tumbling Down
Then I started on a follow up to Maccaspan. Finalspan starts with tracks from Run Devil Run and is a work still in progress:
All Shook Up Run Devil Run What It Is Honey Hush No Other Baby Lonely Road She's Given Up Talking About You Your Loving Flame India Fine Line How Kind Of You Jenny Wren Friends to Go Too Much Rain Riding To Vanity Fair Ever Present Past Only Mama Knows Mr. Bellamy Vintage Clothes That Was Me Feet In The Clouds Nothing Too Much Just Out Of Sight Sun Is Shining Sing The Changes Travelling Light Highway Dance 'Til We're High
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 8, 2009 22:05:56 GMT -5
All of Paul's compilation albums concentrate on his career with Wings with very few of the post 1980 hits thrown in. Whilst his output certainly slowed down once Wings split there is still enough stuff out there to put together a decent compilation album. From Press to Play, Flowers in the Dirt, Off the Ground, Flaming Pie, Run Devil Run, Driving Rain, Chaos & Creation, Memory Almost Full a number of "Live" albums and his Fireman albums too. Plus you could throw in "Vanilla Sky" The question is would it be commercially viable? Despite the fact that there is some top quality music (& some total dross ;)from Paul from the last 25 years the average music fan will probably be ignorant of it and the hardcore fans will already own it. Any thoughts or even a possible tracklisting? Name one artist that doesn't have some dross in 25 years. What you are not emplasizing is the high quality of the good tracks. In the end it doesn't matter how many misses you had, only how many worthwhile tracks exist. No one talks about Mozart's misses and you know he had some. They talk about the good part of his work. Same with pop music. We have to get beyond judging 10 tracks at a given time and declaring they weren't up to par. You have to look at everything else in that time period that was unreleased or not put on the album. The album is too limiting especially for Paul who did not always put his best songs on the albums. In fact he has not released some of his best 1980s songs among them my namesake Return To Pepperland. I's like to see him release that album along with some of the unreleased tracks from that era: Return To Pepperland (June 1987) 20th Anniversary of Sgt. Pepper 1 Return To Pepperland 2 Lindiana 3 Yvonne's the One 4 I Love This House 5 Christian Pop 6 The Lovliest Thing 7 On the Wings of A Nightingale (demo) 8 Shallow Grave (with Elvis) 9 Back On My Feet (with Elvis) 10 So Like Candy (with Elvis) 11 Once Upon A Long Ago 12 Waterspout 13 Same Time Next Year 14 Cage 15 Pads Plaws and Claws (with Elvis) What a follow up to Press to Play this would have made instead of releasing the rehash All The Best. I don't think the 80s were such a low point for Paul. This was only so in the minds of the critics mostly. Part of it was Paul's fault for not constructing his albums to include all the best available tracks. I think the 80s were pretty good for Paul, so I agree with you there. I don't think he should have released Pipes of Peace though, if he held back on it and maybe included the better songs onto Give My Reagrds to Broad Street it would have salvaged something from that era as the movie wasn't very good.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 9, 2009 18:37:13 GMT -5
I think the 80s were pretty good for Paul, so I agree with you there. I don't think he should have released Pipes of Peace though, if he held back on it and maybe included the better songs onto Give My Reagrds to Broad Street it would have salvaged something from that era as the movie wasn't very good. I agree with your observation completely. Paul should have combined Pipes of Peace and Broadstreet. He could have included the Say Say Say video as part of the movie and even asked Michael Jackson to be in the movie. As it turned out, Jackson never really did a theatre released movie of his own until after his death. Paul could have made two average albums into one great album with the following lineup. Pipes of Peace (Broadstreet) Release: 1984 1. Pipes of Peace 2. Say Say Say (duet with Michael Jackson) 3. Old Friend (duet with Carl Perkins-unreleased) 4. Sweetest Little Show 5. So Bad 6. No More Lonely Nights (ballad) 7. Simple As That 8. Average Person 9. No Values 10. Through Our Love 11. I'll Give You A Ring 12. Not Such A Bad Boy 13. Eleanor's Dream 14. The Man (duet with Michael Jackson) 15.No More Lonely Nights (playout) That lineup improves on both albums and would have been more accepted. Maybe one or two could be left out to make the album tighter. Most artists like Elton John only put ten or so tracks on each album at that time. 1. Pipes of Peace 2. Say Say Say (duet with Michael Jackson) 3. Sweetest Little Show 4. So Bad 5. No More Lonely Nights (ballad) 6. Average Person 7. No Values 8. Through Our Love 9. Not Such A Bad Boy 10. Eleanor's Dream 11. No More Lonely Nights (reprise-playout)
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Post by stavros on Dec 10, 2009 14:44:58 GMT -5
Name one artist that doesn't have some dross in 25 years. What you are not emphasizing is the high quality of the good tracks. In the end it doesn't matter how many misses you had, only how many worthwhile tracks exist. No one talks about Mozart's misses and you know he had some. They talk about the good part of his work. Same with pop music. We have to get beyond judging 10 tracks at a given time and declaring they weren't up to par. You have to look at everything else in that time period that was unreleased or not put on the album. ...... I think the 80s were pretty good for Paul, so I agree with you there. I don't think he should have released Pipes of Peace though, if he held back on it and maybe included the better songs onto Give My Regards to Broad Street it would have salvaged something from that era as the movie wasn't very good. I think you have perhaps honed in on what was a throwaway remark and taken it a bit too serious? I did say there has been some top quality music and I do think Return to Pepperland was an opportunity missed. Does no one else think "Vanilla Sky" would make a 1984- 2009 compilation? I wouldn't say it's my absolute Macca favourite but I'd have it on the compilation as it isn't on any other Macca album.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 10, 2009 15:48:00 GMT -5
Name one artist that doesn't have some dross in 25 years. What you are not emphasizing is the high quality of the good tracks. In the end it doesn't matter how many misses you had, only how many worthwhile tracks exist. No one talks about Mozart's misses and you know he had some. They talk about the good part of his work. Same with pop music. We have to get beyond judging 10 tracks at a given time and declaring they weren't up to par. You have to look at everything else in that time period that was unreleased or not put on the album. ...... I think the 80s were pretty good for Paul, so I agree with you there. I don't think he should have released Pipes of Peace though, if he held back on it and maybe included the better songs onto Give My Regards to Broad Street it would have salvaged something from that era as the movie wasn't very good. I think you have perhaps honed in on what was a throwaway remark and taken it a bit too serious? I did say there has been some top quality music and I do think Return to Pepperland was an opportunity missed. Does no one else think "Vanilla Sky" would make a 1984- 2009 compilation? I wouldn't say it's my absolute Macca favourite but I'd have it on the compilation as it isn't on any other Macca album. Yes. I really like Vanilla Sky--great lyrics and tune. I would like to see it on a compilation.
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Post by Allan on Dec 10, 2009 19:47:40 GMT -5
How about the first disc of songs popular and the second disc for the big fans and have a special edition with a bonus disc of unreleased gems.
I asked my 12 year old son to name his favorite Paul songs from 1984-2008. No more lonely nights Spies like us Press My brave face Put it there Hope of deliverance Beautiful night World tonight Young boy Freedom Fine line Jenny Wren Dance tonight Only mama knows Sing the changes
And he's not a big fan as me,he is just a casual solo listener.
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Post by OldFred on Dec 10, 2009 22:37:24 GMT -5
How about the first disc of songs popular and the second disc for the big fans and have a special edition with a bonus disc of unreleased gems. I asked my 12 year old son to name his favorite Paul songs from 1984-2008. No more lonely nights Spies like us Press My brave face Put it there Hope of deliverance Beautiful night World tonight Young boy Freedom Fine line Jenny Wren Dance tonight Only mama knows Sing the changes And he's not a big fan as me,he is just a casual solo listener. Those are very good choices. Kudos to the young man, you brought him up well.
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Post by Allan on Dec 11, 2009 0:06:13 GMT -5
How about the first disc of songs popular and the second disc for the big fans and have a special edition with a bonus disc of unreleased gems. I asked my 12 year old son to name his favorite Paul songs from 1984-2008. No more lonely nights Spies like us Press My brave face Put it there Hope of deliverance Beautiful night World tonight Young boy Freedom Fine line Jenny Wren Dance tonight Only mama knows Sing the changes And he's not a big fan as me,he is just a casual solo listener. Those are very good choices. Kudos to the young man, you brought him up well. Thank you Old Fred, my son did see Ringo live in 2006, he loves Ringo and the Zombies. Jenny Wren is his favorite Paul song.
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Post by jellyzero79 on Dec 16, 2009 9:06:05 GMT -5
New Macca Collection - my version:
Say, Say, Say Here Today Press So Like Candy My Brave Face This One Put It There C'Mon People Get Out Of My Way Let Me Roll It [live '93] The World Tonight Somedays Calico Skies Flaming Pie She Said Yeah A Room With A View Magic Your Way Lonely Road About You Fine Line Jenny Wren Too Much Rain Ever Present Past Dance Tonight That Was Me House Of Wax Only Mama Knows Sing The Changes
...in fact, I think I'll go make this cd now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 0:55:37 GMT -5
not only will it be feasible,it will be downloaded as soon as it's out there...gotta love the internet....
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Post by Panther on Dec 26, 2009 12:18:22 GMT -5
I think some of you are going a bit overboard with the tracklistings here -- given that Wingspan is out there for posterity, a 12 or 13-track single CD for the 1985 to 2008 period would be sufficient. Not enough people are going to shell out for a 2-CD of Paul's hits from that period to make it worthwhile.
What I do think would be a good idea, at some point, would be a Box-Set of Paul's best post-Beatles stuff. Maybe a 4 or 5-CD set, with just the highlights of 1970 to today (hopefully de-emphasizing some of the cheesier pop stuff). There's kind of a need for something like that in the marketplace, because there's a huge load of music available, and the vast volume of it is too daunting for the average casual fan (including me) to really delve into in detail.
(btw, as for artists who haven't released dross in 25 years -- I nominate Joni Mitchell (1968 to 1994), U2 (1983 to 2009), and Stevie Wonder (1967 to 1982). Paul is guilty of releasing a great deal of subpar stuff, and I do prefer artists who have more quality-control. Prince is another mega-talented "auteur" of pop music who has done himself and his legacy irreparable harm by releasing far too much stuff, to a much greater extent than Paul.)
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