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Post by Beatle Bob on Dec 23, 2009 9:13:40 GMT -5
I just recieved an MP3 file of Ringo's new single "Walk With You" dueting with Paul McCartney. Nice, sweet song. I like it. But.....Will it chart??? Just saw it also available on iTunes. Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by OldFred on Dec 31, 2009 21:26:09 GMT -5
Here's a nice video of 'Walk With You' someone posted on YouTube. A very lovely song and the images compliment the song.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 31, 2009 22:28:48 GMT -5
Well, I like it, FWIW. However, I agree with BB that it may not chart in this day and age....
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 1, 2010 2:33:50 GMT -5
I like the duet parts with Paul. The song is much too long at 4:49. Ringo forgot that some of the Beatles' greatest songs were 2:00 to 2:30 minutes long.
It is okay although no one will hear it except people like us.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 2, 2010 5:08:29 GMT -5
I like the duet parts with Paul. The song is much too long at 4:49. Ringo forgot that some of the Beatles' greatest songs were 2:00 to 2:30 minutes long. It is okay although no one will hear it except people like us. The song is OK, love the intro, violins, bass playing etc. But it was duet parts that was a worry, I cringe when hearing macca's voice, is it going or not. I'm sure I heard it crack. They should have had females singing the chorus with Ringo..... Your right as far no one will hear it except people like us, its another "Six O'Clock, instead of "Never Without You" or "Liverpool 8"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2010 4:44:42 GMT -5
I was fortunate enough to download Ringo's new album.....
I haven't been fortunate enough to listen to it ..yet
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 3, 2010 14:04:24 GMT -5
I was fortunate enough to download Ringo's new album..... I haven't been fortunate enough to listen to it ..yet Let us know! "Enquiring minds want to know!"
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 3, 2010 21:05:03 GMT -5
If we accept that many Beatlesongs only comprised of as few as one Beatle vocally, and/or instrumentally, ("Yesterday"), or two, three, or four fabs, as was often the case on The White Album, then dare I say, technically speaking, "Walk With You" is the newest song by The Beatles, whether Paul & Ringo call it that or not. John & George were just "out for tea" so to speak, and not "available" to add to this particular track... Let the debate begin..... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by OldFred on Jan 3, 2010 22:03:14 GMT -5
If we accept that many Beatlesongs only comprised of as few as one Beatle vocally, and/or instrumentally, ("Yesterday"), or two, three, or four fabs, as was often the case on The White Album, then dare I say, technically speaking, "Walk With You" is the newest song by The Beatles, whether Paul & Ringo call it that or not. John & George were just "out for tea" so to speak, and not "available" to add to this particular track... Let the debate begin..... ;D ;D ;D As much as I like it, I wouldn't call 'Walk With You' a Beatles' song because it's clearly on a solo release. The difference between this and 'Free As A Bird' or 'Real Love' was that a corporate decision was made between the surviving Beatles and Yoko to issue those songs as 'The Beatles' for a specific Beatles project. That would include the demos issued on the Anthology albums, even though some of them were eventually issued on later solo albums. An interesting paradox is 'Not Guilty' which exists as both a Beatles' version and as a solo George Harrison song. The decision was made during the band's lifetime that songs that featured even one Beatle would be credited to the group when issued on a Beatles' record, and this policy carried over into the Anthology project. John went through quite a time trying to convince EMI that the 'Live Peace in Toronto' album was a solo release and NOT a Beatles album. 'Walk With You' would be in the same category as 'I'm the Greatest', 'Six O' Clock', 'All Those Years Ago', 'When We Was Fab', 'Beautiful Night', 'King Of Broken Hearts' or any of the songs on 'All Things Must Pass', 'Plastic Ono Band', 'Tug of War', 'Cloud 9' and any of the solo albums that featured at least two Beatles because these were all issued on acknowledged solo albums. My two cents.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 3, 2010 22:30:47 GMT -5
If we accept that many Beatlesongs only comprised of as few as one Beatle vocally, and/or instrumentally, ("Yesterday"), or two, three, or four fabs, as was often the case on The White Album, then dare I say, technically speaking, "Walk With You" is the newest song by The Beatles, whether Paul & Ringo call it that or not. John & George were just "out for tea" so to speak, and not "available" to add to this particular track... Let the debate begin..... ;D ;D ;D LOL, you I.U. mixer, you! ;D I agree with OldFred that a song like this is a solo project that happens to have two ex-Beatles on it. Same with all of those other songs Fred mentioned. I was reading a 1975 interview of John this NY holiday and John seemed to clearly say that the "I'm The Greatest" sessions were just the available ex-Beatles helping Ringo on his solo album and John was embarassed at George's enthusiastic calls that they form a new band with those in the session. John explained that George was just caught up in the moment and thought better of it the next day. John was sure not calling it a Beatles' session even with three of them together. I fully believe that John and Paul would have worked together in the 1980's on a project or two but sure as heck not as Beatles but as friends and former songwriting partners.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 4, 2010 20:34:27 GMT -5
If we accept that many Beatlesongs only comprised of as few as one Beatle vocally, and/or instrumentally, ("Yesterday"), or two, three, or four fabs, as was often the case on The White Album, then dare I say, technically speaking, "Walk With You" is the newest song by The Beatles, whether Paul & Ringo call it that or not. John & George were just "out for tea" so to speak, and not "available" to add to this particular track... Let the debate begin..... ;D ;D ;D LOL, you I.U. mixer, you! ;D I agree with OldFred that a song like this is a solo project that happens to have two ex-Beatles on it. Same with all of those other songs Fred mentioned. I was reading a 1975 interview of John this NY holiday and John seemed to clearly say that the "I'm The Greatest" sessions were just the available ex-Beatles helping Ringo on his solo album and John was embarassed at George's enthusiastic calls that they form a new band with those in the session. John explained that George was just caught up in the moment and thought better of it the next day. John was sure not calling it a Beatles' session even with three of them together. I fully believe that John and Paul would have worked together in the 1980's on a project or two but sure as heck not as Beatles but as friends and former songwriting partners. To play devil's advocate; IF Paul or Ringo wanted to call it a Beatles song, would it be legitimate to do so? Seeing they are the only surviving members of the band? Do Olivia and Yoko have the right to reject it or accept it? Didn't The Beatles open this can of worms back in '68 with all the individual projects on the White Album? There was no objection to calling "Blackbird" or "Julia" Beatles songs by anybody who was not on the project. Personally, I would consider a project by two or more Beatles on a solo album post 1970 (all the ones you listed above) just as much of a Beatle song as any of the White Album songs, simply by the participation of multiple Beatles, regardless of whether they themselves considered them Beatles songs. Yes, the band was legally in flux due to the lawsuits until the 90's, but later, when P, G, & R agreed to call FAB and Real Love Beatlesongs because they had a Lennon contribution, there was even consideration of creating McCartney/Harrison (and possible Starkey) compositions to the Anthology project. Wouldn't they have been Beatle songs? George once said post 1980, without John there would be no Beatles reunion, but he did not object to the Anthology Beatles reunion songs. I think George was against any other new songs on the anthology project because he still did not care to collaborate with Paul on anything new, not that minus John, it would not be a Beatles song. So legalities aside, if a song has more than one Beatle on it, why can't it be considered a Beatles song? Just because Paul or Ringo says it isn't? After all that, I agree with you all it isn't a Beatle song in Paul's eyes, or Ringo's eyes, or most of the people on this board, but I see no reason why any of us cannot call it a Beatles song if we want. It meets enough criteria in my ears. So did all the other multiple collaborations on solo albums mentioned above thru the 70's. If you look at it in this way, then we've had quite a few Beatle collaborations since 1970. And with only two Beatles left now, "Walk With You" may not be a major hit, but when you hear those two voices singing in harmony, you can't tell me the word "Beatles" is not conjured up in your brain and you wonder what George and John would have brought to the song.
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Post by OldFred on Jan 4, 2010 21:23:43 GMT -5
Just to reiterate, songs featuring more than one Beatle recorded after the initial lifetime of the band can only be designated as a Beatle song if given unanimous vote by the surviving Beatles and the Estates of Lennon & Harrison. (That appears to be the new rule). Before 'Free As A Bird' and 'Real Love' were given the official thumbs up, the solo song that came the closest to perhaps being considered a Beatles song was 'I'm The Greatest' because you had three Beatles (Lennon, Harrison & Starr) together in the studio at the same time. Even the 'Ringo' album might have been considered a border-line Beatles album because all four Beatles were on it.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 5, 2010 12:14:56 GMT -5
Just to reiterate, songs featuring more than one Beatle recorded after the initial lifetime of the band can only be designated as a Beatle song if given unanimous vote by the surviving Beatles and the Estates of Lennon & Harrison. (That appears to be the new rule). Before 'Free As A Bird' and 'Real Love' were given the official thumbs up, the solo song that came the closest to perhaps being considered a Beatles song was 'I'm The Greatest' because you had three Beatles (Lennon, Harrison & Starr) together in the studio at the same time. Even the 'Ringo' album might have been considered a border-line Beatles album because all four Beatles were on it. I agree absolutely with you Fred on the legality of calling it a Beatles song. But as fans, we can call them anything we want, and under so called "White Album Rules" (my own invention), I henceforth declare the "Ringo" Album a "Beatles album" and any multiple Beatle participation in the solo years a "Beatles Song"!! Does anyone second the motion? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by OldFred on Jan 5, 2010 22:22:19 GMT -5
I agree absolutely with you Fred on the legality of calling it a Beatles song. But as fans, we can call them anything we want, and under so called "White Album Rules" (my own invention), I henceforth declare the "Ringo" Album a "Beatles album" and any multiple Beatle participation in the solo years a "Beatles Song"!! Does anyone second the motion? ;D ;D ;D Er, I think Mal may have an issue with it.
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Post by gloi on Jan 6, 2010 11:53:39 GMT -5
I agree absolutely with you Fred on the legality of calling it a Beatles song. But as fans, we can call them anything we want, and under so called "White Album Rules" (my own invention), I henceforth declare the "Ringo" Album a "Beatles album" and any multiple Beatle participation in the solo years a "Beatles Song"!! Does anyone second the motion? ;D ;D ;D I've been doing that all along, just not telling anyone I like your White Album Rules. We can do what the heck we like, so there
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Post by stavros on Jan 6, 2010 15:21:53 GMT -5
As much as I like it, I wouldn't call 'Walk With You' a Beatles' song because it's clearly on a solo release. The difference between this and 'Free As A Bird' or 'Real Love' was that a corporate decision was made between the surviving Beatles and Yoko to issue those songs as 'The Beatles' for a specific Beatles project. That would include the demos issued on the Anthology albums, even though some of them were eventually issued on later solo albums. An interesting paradox is 'Not Guilty' which exists as both a Beatles' version and as a solo George Harrison song. As were Paul's Teddy Boy and Junk. But by my reckoning everything by a 'solo Beatle' is at least a ¼ Beatle track. So "Walk With You" is a ½ Beatle track.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 6, 2010 17:24:01 GMT -5
A strange thing is happening to me: I am actually starting to like this song!
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Post by mikev on Jan 6, 2010 17:56:03 GMT -5
The one thing with this single is how Beatlesque the song DOESN'T sound. As for Threetles, Twotles or Onetles(first time you heard that one, huh?) I offer my "alternative" view. www.beatlemoney.com/sliderindex.htmIn "Slider Beatles" all you need is one Beatle to qualify it as a "Beatle" record-which was basically the case for every Monkee album after Head. Kiss did it even with their 4 part album-remember Back in the New York Groove by Ace Freeley? It's all up to you. In this age of ipods and CDrs-you can do whatever you want...
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 6, 2010 20:25:24 GMT -5
The one thing with this single is how Beatlesque the song DOESN'T sound. It's all up to you. In this age of ipods and CDrs-you can do whatever you want... Again to play devil's advocate; how many songs can we pluck from the Beatle albums of the 60's and say "how Beatlesque that song doesn't sound?" Let's start with "Revolution #9" or "Wild Honey Pie" off the White Album. Or how about "Mr. Moonlight?" I would venture to say Ringo's new song w/Paul sounds no worse than either of those numbers. And I would say hearing Paul & Ringo singing the New York City phonebook as a duet would sound Beatleseque simply by the fact of their voices having that magical sound that the band always possessed. You're right, in the age of Ipods and CDr's, we can do whatever we want; and call anything a Beatle did "Beatlesque". That's part of the magic of those four fabs.
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Post by OldFred on Jan 6, 2010 20:36:37 GMT -5
The one thing with this single is how Beatlesque the song DOESN'T sound. It's all up to you. In this age of ipods and CDrs-you can do whatever you want... Again to play devil's advocate; how many songs can we pluck from the Beatle albums of the 60's and say "how Beatlesque that song doesn't sound?" Let's start with "Revolution #9" or "Wild Honey Pie" off the White Album. Or how about "Mr. Moonlight?" I would venture to say Ringo's new song w/Paul sounds no worse than either of those numbers. And I would say hearing Paul & Ringo singing the New York City phonebook as a duet would sound Beatleseque simply by the fact of their voices having that magical sound that the band always possessed. You're right, in the age of Ipods and CDr's, we can do whatever we want; and call anything a Beatle did "Beatlesque". That's part of the magic of those four fabs. Oooooh, is it time to bring back the 'Not The Beatles' collection? ;D
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