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Post by nine on Feb 12, 2010 0:37:17 GMT -5
Among his best -- and I submit that's not saying much. He doesn't seem to have anything meaningful left to say. The drumming? Nothing special. Many people can competently play instruments. Doesn't mean the result isn't tedious, bland. I wish Ringo would be the sole drummer on an entire album by Bob Dylan, Neil Young or some other serious singer/songwriter and not just on his own claptrap songs. Ringo's last great drumming was on JL/POB. Ringo would never do this because he would have to work too hard, get serious with his drumming, and take recommendations from others with more musical skill and knowledge. Hey, those were the elements that made him a great drummer with The Beatles! That's be great. Just Ringo. He could back Paul Macca and Klaus Voorman.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2010 6:02:58 GMT -5
To sum up a few of the Pro-Star(r) points then: * Joe: Ringo is better than Prince or Bruce Springsteen. (Actually, Ringo's not even a better drummer than Prince.) The points I made about Ringo being one of the last legends of the '60s around and still performing, and also that most people watching and attending the Superbowl would not have ever seen Ringo "live" before and he is a Beatle -- is still strong enough reason to have him perform at Half-Time. Or they could get Britney Spears if you prefer. You decidedly missed the whole part about his hit songs in the '70s, and the fact that often times a tribute comes late for actors and musicians. I'm not the only one. And don't be cowardly and back down from your original assertion ... you asked "who even bothers listening to Ringo's last albums anymore?", and I put my hand up. And further jammed it home where the sun don't shine by also adding that Paul's got the worst of all solo albums which I NEVER listen to.... and not Ringo. I think you're full of sour grapes because Paul hasn't been inducted, Jimbo.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2010 6:04:53 GMT -5
Steve: He got it, yes. But are these bought? Seriously. I'd like to hear an investigation of that. Then Paul should have no trouble buying his: He's got more money AND ego than a hundred Ringo Starrs.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2010 6:09:06 GMT -5
That's kind of hard, Fred. I would like to think that everyone on this Board has done(and continue to do) things in our real lives that make the world a little better, at least in our little corners of it. Fred's the one who's being "hard"?? You know, John -- this whole backlash began because it was you who started being hard against Ringo here. I know that for some reason you feel it's perfectly fine being "hard" against anyone "as long as they're not other members of this forum", but I really think that's a load of cuh-rap. Thank You.
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Post by OldFred on Feb 12, 2010 7:58:30 GMT -5
That's kind of hard, Fred. I would like to think that everyone on this Board has done(and continue to do) things in our real lives that make the world a little better, at least in our little corners of it. You weren't suggesting that only you and Steve from this Board have accomplished anything in life? You were kind of exclusive there, not that I am not impressed with your accomplishments. Maybe we should have a Curriculum Vitae Thread! ;D I was just using Steve and myself as examples, not that I've done anything really earth shattering because I haven't. Everyone here have done things that are very important in their lives. But, in comparison to what Ringo has done in his career as a musician and entertainer, including what he's done after the Beatles, when put in perspective, our accomplishments don't even come close. We may not ever come up to Ringo's level of achievements, but we can do our best in our ways to do something positive in this world that will make a difference. I hate cynicism and would prefer that my walk in this world has a positive stride. Ringo deserves the honors he receives and we should strive to earn our own rewards rather than look down at someone else's.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 12, 2010 10:18:16 GMT -5
That's kind of hard, Fred. I would like to think that everyone on this Board has done(and continue to do) things in our real lives that make the world a little better, at least in our little corners of it. Fred's the one who's being "hard"?? You know, John -- this whole backlash began because it was you who started being hard against Ringo here. I know that for some reason you feel it's perfectly fine being "hard" against anyone "as long as they're not other members of this forum", but I really think that's a load of cuh-rap. Thank You. Hard on Ringo? I simply asked what was the criteria for his inclusion on a Star in the Walk of Fame and listed undisputable attributes of Ritchie's solo career. I know that you feel personal attacks on members here are justified, except of course when some posters here have personally attacked you, but they are not. Public figures are fair game to criticism. For the record, I never attacked Ringo's personal life but just pointed out setbacks in his public career as a recording artist.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 12, 2010 12:03:35 GMT -5
I listened to the Fab Fourum show last night while driving to a meeting (non-Beatle, if you must know). It goes a lot deeper than a simple John vs. Paul thing, though I think if you hit that area, you're going to invite that stuff, which this obviously did as we're discussing it here. But it's worth listening to and, as these FF shows happen to do, they get you thinking.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 12, 2010 12:06:50 GMT -5
Steve: He got it, yes. But are these bought? Seriously. I'd like to hear an investigation of that. Then Paul should have no trouble buying his: He's got more money AND ego than a hundred Ringo Starrs. He doesn't need to buy one. I have it on very very good authority that Paul's star has been approved. All he has to do is set a date for a ceremony. The only question is when it'll happen.
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Post by jimc on Feb 12, 2010 18:50:26 GMT -5
To sum up a few of the Pro-Star(r) points then: * Joe: Ringo is better than Prince or Bruce Springsteen. (Actually, Ringo's not even a better drummer than Prince.) The points I made about Ringo being one of the last legends of the '60s around and still performing, and also that most people watching and attending the Superbowl would not have ever seen Ringo "live" before and he is a Beatle -- is still strong enough reason to have him perform at Half-Time. Or they could get Britney Spears if you prefer. You decidedly missed the whole part about his hit songs in the '70s, and the fact that often times a tribute comes late for actors and musicians. I'm not the only one. And don't be cowardly and back down from your original assertion ... you asked "who even bothers listening to Ringo's last albums anymore?", and I put my hand up. And further jammed it home where the sun don't shine by also adding that Paul's got the worst of all solo albums which I NEVER listen to.... and not Ringo. I think you're full of sour grapes because Paul hasn't been inducted, Jimbo. Sadly Britney Spears makes a lot more sense than Ringo as Super Bowl. She's at least had hit singles within the last 30 years. (I'm not sure how we arrived at the Super Bowl, but anyway...) "Cowardly." Must you? I asked a rhetorical question about listening to Ringo's albums. Seriously, he's irrelevant today. Not to put words in JSD's mouth, but that was the point, I think, of the original comments about why Ringo and why now. The entire episode seems self-congratulatory and a farce. Another case of Ringo not having to work too hard -- one of the best observations of this thread, IMO, about Ringo's situation today. That and his inability to seek or take sound advice about his career. It would not be too difficult to plot a successful and critically appreciated end to his musical life -- one that might even be popular, though that's not the point. My point is best made by this insistence on criticizing Driving Rain (don't think it's nearly as terrible as you suggest, but that's up to you) or Steve's originally bringing up McCartney and Sinatra to defend Ringo's star. There must be enough objectivity left around here to see that those comparisons don't help Ringo's cause. As for a McCartney star, I certainly don't care.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2010 20:12:16 GMT -5
Sadly Britney Spears makes a lot more sense than Ringo as Super Bowl. She's at least had hit singles within the last 30 years. (I'm not sure how we arrived at the Super Bowl, but anyway...) Someone else brought up the Superbowl, not I. JSD, perhaps? Back to the Halftime Show -- then you'd have to say that Spears also makes more sense than McCartney, Tom Petty, or The Stones do. They haven't exactly had major hits in the last decades either, if that's going to be your criteria. So is Paul. So are most older rock guys from the '60s, if you're going to look at the overall picture of what's "in" and who "qualifies for the masses in 2010". You simply asked if anyone here ever plays Ringo's last several albums. I think you were expecting to hit a brick wall of silence there, but I answered that yes, I do - and what's more, I even enjoy them more than DRIVING RAIN. Plenty of objectivity around here. Which is why I can say DRIVING RAIN stinks, and that Paul's voice often sounds shot. Oh yeah, I believe that! ;D But yet you care enough to keep spending so much time on wonderign why Ringo's getting one.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2010 20:25:38 GMT -5
Hard on Ringo? I simply asked what was the criteria for his inclusion on a Star in the Walk of Fame and listed undisputable attributes of Ritchie's solo career. You're ALWAYS at him, and use rather negative insults when you talk about him; you're not just offering little details of his solo career. And I'm not just referring to his Star Ceremony... my observations go way beyond that. And far beyond just Ringo. Sure it's just as fair for them to attack me -- 'Even Steven'. 'What's good for the goose is good for the gander'. However, there was a case recently where someone did attack me out of left field and I was not permitted to defend myself and kept silent, even though he continued on... but that's another matter. And by the way, I don't think anything I really write is anywhere near "off limits" territory.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2010 20:38:19 GMT -5
He doesn't need to buy one. I have it on very very good authority that Paul's star has been approved. All he has to do is set a date for a ceremony. The only question is when it'll happen. Steve, obviously I feel Paul deserves one, especially if Ringo and the other Beatles have one. Obviously I don't think Paul has to pay for it. I was just relishing this moment where Ringo's already got his ahead of Paul. And then, only mostly because some fans are coming down so hard on Mr. Starkey.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 12, 2010 22:01:56 GMT -5
He doesn't need to buy one. I have it on very very good authority that Paul's star has been approved. All he has to do is set a date for a ceremony. The only question is when it'll happen. Steve, obviously I feel Paul deserves one, especially if Ringo and the other Beatles have one. Obviously I don't think Paul has to pay for it. I was just relishing this moment where Ringo's already got his ahead of Paul. And then, only mostly because some fans are coming down so hard on Mr. Starkey. No problem. But I've seen comments from people wondering why Paul doesn't have his. I wondered the same thing until I found out it was his move. Wouldn't surprise me if it was timed with the release of Paul's next studio album.
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Post by jimc on Feb 13, 2010 0:04:58 GMT -5
Obviously I don't think Paul has to pay for it. I was just relishing this moment where Ringo's already got his ahead of Paul. And then, only mostly because some fans are coming down so hard on Mr. Starkey. The stars cost $25,000 today. According to some sources, (Steve might be able to confirm this through his contacts), Paul has deliberately waited for recognition until Ringo received his star. Of course, that's probably because he wants the most attention as the last one to receive it.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 13, 2010 0:12:03 GMT -5
Obviously I don't think Paul has to pay for it. I was just relishing this moment where Ringo's already got his ahead of Paul. And then, only mostly because some fans are coming down so hard on Mr. Starkey. The stars cost $25,000 today. According to some sources, (Steve might be able to confirm this through his contacts), Paul has deliberately waited for recognition until Ringo received his star. Of course, that's probably because he wants the most attention as the last one to receive it. He'd get a lot of attention anyway and I don't think it'd be any more if he'd gotten his before Ringo. It'll be big, though.
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Post by jimc on Feb 13, 2010 0:28:41 GMT -5
The stars cost $25,000 today. According to some sources, (Steve might be able to confirm this through his contacts), Paul has deliberately waited for recognition until Ringo received his star. Of course, that's probably because he wants the most attention as the last one to receive it. He'd get a lot of attention anyway and I don't think it'd be any more if he'd gotten his before Ringo. It'll be big, though. The comment and the rolled eyes were meant to foreshadow the coming sh** storm about McCartney's motivations.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 13, 2010 0:44:20 GMT -5
I would love to chat more here but the gang has called and they want me to bring over all my groovy Ringo albums and we literally are going to have a Ringo Rama all night long.
I am big man on campus now owning all these and maybe I'll get a kiss from a pretty girl trying to ingratiate herself with me to get her hands on some Ringo music.
I wonder what Ringo's favorite color is? Ringo is so Fab!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 13, 2010 6:16:12 GMT -5
I would love to chat more here but the gang has called and they want me to bring over all my groovy Ringo albums and we literally are going to have a Ringo Rama all night long. I am big man on campus now owning all these and maybe I'll get a kiss from a pretty girl trying to ingratiate herself with me to get her hands on some Ringo music. I wonder what Ringo's favorite color is? Ringo is so Fab! Well, now you're exaggerating. Nobody's saying you have to fawn all over Rings. I'd love to respond here in more detail, but my buddies have called and expressed an interest in hearing all my Partridge Family albums. I've got my hair kinda long like David Cassidy's right now, and it drives the 19 -year-old women wild; my wife has to beat 'em off me with a stick! And I tell you, there are a load of these young hot gals just salivating because I've got a hold of McCartney's new Fireman album too! I am REALLY the envy of all! Woo-hoo! And let me tell you -- when I start singing BIP-BOP off WILD LIFE, it makes 'em swoon! I wonder what Paul and David's favorite colors are? They are both so Neat-o and Cool! ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 13, 2010 6:19:17 GMT -5
The comment and the rolled eyes were meant to foreshadow the coming sh** storm about McCartney's motivations. Well, if that were to happen it would be just to level the playing field and bring you and Paul down to size a bit. You see, you have no problem bashing Ringo or John when you want (like others do) but you don't appreciate it when it's your little Paulie. You reap what you sow.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 13, 2010 12:38:14 GMT -5
I would love to chat more here but the gang has called and they want me to bring over all my groovy Ringo albums and we literally are going to have a Ringo Rama all night long. I am big man on campus now owning all these and maybe I'll get a kiss from a pretty girl trying to ingratiate herself with me to get her hands on some Ringo music. I wonder what Ringo's favorite color is? Ringo is so Fab! Well, now you're exaggerating. Nobody's saying you have to fawn all over Rings. I'd love to respond here in more detail, but my buddies have called and expressed an interest in hearing all my Partridge Family albums. I've got my hair kinda long like David Cassidy's right now, and it drives the 19 -year-old women wild; my wife has to beat 'em off me with a stick! And I tell you, there are a load of these young hot gals just salivating because I've got a hold of McCartney's new Fireman album too! I am REALLY the envy of all! Woo-hoo! And let me tell you -- when I start singing BIP-BOP off WILD LIFE, it makes 'em swoon! I wonder what Paul and David's favorite colors are? They are both so Neat-o and Cool! ;D ' Joe Karlosi, you can mock Paul McCartney all you want(and you claim I am mean about Ringo!) but please back off The PF! OldFred cited elsewhere some lyrics from John Lennon about instant karma. You don't create good vibrations by teasing The PF. 20,000,000 purple velvet jacketed PF fans cannot be wrong!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 13, 2010 13:04:28 GMT -5
Well, now you're exaggerating. Nobody's saying you have to fawn all over Rings. I'd love to respond here in more detail, but my buddies have called and expressed an interest in hearing all my Partridge Family albums. I've got my hair kinda long like David Cassidy's right now, and it drives the 19 -year-old women wild; my wife has to beat 'em off me with a stick! And I tell you, there are a load of these young hot gals just salivating because I've got a hold of McCartney's new Fireman album too! I am REALLY the envy of all! Woo-hoo! And let me tell you -- when I start singing BIP-BOP off WILD LIFE, it makes 'em swoon! I wonder what Paul and David's favorite colors are? They are both so Neat-o and Cool! ;D ' Joe Karlosi, you can mock Paul McCartney all you want(and you claim I am mean about Ringo!) but please back off The PF! OldFred cited elsewhere some lyrics from John Lennon about instant karma. You don't create good vibrations by teasing The PF. 20,000,000 purple velvet jacketed PF fans cannot be wrong! Should the PF be banned from this board? Maybe that's a poll we need to make.
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Post by vectisfabber on Feb 13, 2010 13:06:39 GMT -5
Yes! Ban them! (except nude photos of Susan Dey).
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 13, 2010 13:18:55 GMT -5
Yes! Ban them! (except nude photos of Susan Dey). There are some? (Just tell me, don't post them.)
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 13, 2010 13:54:34 GMT -5
' Joe Karlosi, you can mock Paul McCartney all you want(and you claim I am mean about Ringo!) but please back off The PF! OldFred cited elsewhere some lyrics from John Lennon about instant karma. You don't create good vibrations by teasing The PF. 20,000,000 purple velvet jacketed PF fans cannot be wrong! Should the PF be banned from this board? Maybe that's a poll we need to make. Okay, where were the smileys, Steve? Like or or even a ;D Yesterday's PF fans are today's Second Generation Beatles' fans! I am part of that transition. Excellence to more excellence!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 13, 2010 20:35:55 GMT -5
Should the PF be banned from this board? Maybe that's a poll we need to make. Okay, where were the smileys, Steve? Like or or even a ;D Yesterday's PF fans are today's Second Generation Beatles' fans! I am part of that transition. Excellence to more excellence! You thought maybe I was kidding? I never kid when it comes to the PF. They're too important in the esteemed history of rock 'n' roll. In fact, why the hell aren't they in the Rock Hall? They deserve it more than the Monkees! ;D
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Post by OldFred on Feb 13, 2010 20:42:24 GMT -5
Okay, where were the smileys, Steve? Like or or even a ;D Yesterday's PF fans are today's Second Generation Beatles' fans! I am part of that transition. Excellence to more excellence! You thought maybe I was kidding? I never kid when it comes to the PF. They're too important in the esteemed history of rock 'n' roll. In fact, why the hell aren't they in the Rock Hall? They deserve it more than the Monkees! ;D Ooooooh! I'm gonna give you such a pinch!!!! ( )
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Post by nine on Feb 13, 2010 22:02:52 GMT -5
Okay, where were the smileys, Steve? Like or or even a ;D Yesterday's PF fans are today's Second Generation Beatles' fans! I am part of that transition. Excellence to more excellence! You thought maybe I was kidding? I never kid when it comes to the PF. They're too important in the esteemed history of rock 'n' roll. In fact, why the hell aren't they in the Rock Hall? They deserve it more than the Monkees! ;D I was checking out the latest 100 comments on this board and came across this. Without checking out the history of the conversation I was about to add that I too love PF... Then I realised you meant Partridge Family and not Pink Floyd!
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Post by vectisfabber on Feb 14, 2010 6:45:33 GMT -5
Yes! Ban them! (except nude photos of Susan Dey). There are some? (Just tell me, don't post them.) I seem to remember her getting her kit off in a film called Looker with Albert Finney, also in one called First Love with William Katt. I would be very surprised if there weren't some images from them somewhere out there in the ether. As far as I'm aware no shared nude scenes with David Cassidy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 7:44:16 GMT -5
bottom line is we all love claptrap..... why else would we turn up here so often and read and write all this shite.... It's not all about Paul...and his shite lyrics it's not all about John...and his less than impressive solo career.. It's just way to easy for everyone to hang shite on George and Ringo..not only does Ringo look better than Paul nowadays,his voice has held up better than Paul's as well... have you listened to Paul's singing on his duet with Ringo... Ringo should have left it in the vault....
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 14, 2010 8:30:15 GMT -5
Joe Karlosi, you can mock Paul McCartney all you want(and you claim I am mean about Ringo!) but please back off The PF! Ah, I was hoping you'd bring up my "mocking of McCartney"! So, I'm prepared: 1.) John -- the reason I may come off like that at times is because sometimes with the way certain fans build Paul up to such high levels for every breath he takes, it almost makes it imperative for me to balance the scales again, at poor Macca's expense. (This was the thing that lead me to go too far and say Paul was a "creep" for backstabbing the other Fabs.) 2.) John -- you always love to claim that you're the only one who can be objective and critical of the Fabs, but at times like that with Macca I demonstrate that I can do the same. However, I do confess to sometimes "stooping down to the other guy's level" at times with Paul. But it's a chicken and egg thing. Still, it's something I need to work on in these off times ... because as a guy who likes all four Beatles, I shouldn't really come off sounding like someone who despises them. 3.) I like The Partridge Family. At least a handful of their most known songs. Grew up with the show as a kid, right after The Brady Bunch. No, The Partridge Family should not be banned. But let's get rid of that Andy Williams/Pat Boone folder -- it's just a waste of space where nobody ever posts! (and yup, I even like a few songs by those guys!) ;D
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