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Post by sayne on Feb 14, 2010 11:00:57 GMT -5
. . . Can someone explain to me why Ringo Starr got his name on a Hollywood Star as a solo act in 2010? . . . Because it's the Walk of Fame. He certainly qualifies. After all, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen have stars. You might find this interesting: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stars_on_the_Hollywood_Walk_of_FameA lot of stars get a star before the release of a movie. It's used as a promotional tool to drum up support and buzz to increase ticket sales. I'm sure Ringo's star, at this time, was timed for Y Not and his upcoming tour. Besides fame, the Wikipedia entry says a person gets in if they agree to take part in the ceremony within 5 years of nomination and if they pay $25,000 (usually paid by a fan club, corporation, or sponsors). The Hollywood Walk of Fame is simply a tourist magnet designed to get people to Hollywood to buy, buy, buy. That's cool and okay, but not really the same as a hall of fame induction or Nobel Prize or Pulitzer. Look at it this way. There isn't one person on this board who, if given the chance to visit London, will not go to Abbey Road and cross the crosswalk (even I did it and I felt like a dork). So, I bet there are a lot of Beatle fans that will make it a point to visit the Hollywood Walk of Fame (when normally they wouldn't) just to find the stars of the Beatles, John, George, and Ringo and then buy, buy, buy some silly little tchotchke. It's all a win-win for everyone. The star gets an eternal honor, the record/movie company gets a promotional tool, Hollywood gets tourist dollars, and fans get a place to connect with their idols - for free (if they just take a picture).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 14, 2010 11:22:29 GMT -5
Because it's the Walk of Fame. He certainly qualifies. After all, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen have stars. And that, I should think, will settle this once and for all. Thanks, sayne!
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 14, 2010 12:18:40 GMT -5
3.) I like The Partridge Family. At least a handful of their most known songs. Grew up with the show as a kid, right after The Brady Bunch. No, The Partridge Family should not be banned. But let's get rid of that Andy Williams/Pat Boone folder -- it's just a waste of space where nobody ever posts! (and yup, I even like a few songs by those guys!) ;D OK, somebody post the nude photo of Susan Dey that I read was out there...I hated The Partridge Family show and their music, but always had a thing for Susan Dey.... Can't look at The Brady Bunch anymore without thinking of Florence Henderson having a fling with her oldest "son" on the show either. And two of the daughters are/were lesbians?? Next thing you know, we'll hear that Pugsley on the Addams Family was/is a cross-dresser or something.... Amazing how deviant some of our 60's U.S. TV sitcoms were behind the scenes.. Unlike our "lovable mop-tops" who were so "wholesome" and proper... ;D ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 14, 2010 13:16:26 GMT -5
Thank you sayne because my simple question, with a listing of objective facts about Ringo's solo career, was finally answered by a straightforward, objective response. Not the subjective stuff like: 1. He's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what; 2. He sobered up, is still alive and makes albums and tours so he deserves an award for still being with us; or the more silly 3. Ringo had an amazing artistic career as a solo artist with superb, lovable albums and tours we can bring the kids and grandma to and we all cried when he sang "You're Sixteen." The Walk of Fame is thus a tourist trap and a star there is something to be purchased(as JimC first alluded to) by admittedly famous people but that list includes even dubiously famous people as we see from sayne's examples. The goal of the Walk of Fame is to sell trinkets and get people in to buy lunch. I now think I understand why Paul McCartney, the ex-Beatle seemingly most deserving to have had a Star first, is the last: he perceives this as a sleazeball honor that he'd have to pay for! Good for Macca! My respect of Paul has jumped Mt. Everest proportions. I am suddenly kind of slimed out that Yoko and Olivia would fall for this. John or George could have easily had this done in their lifetimes but did not. Hmm. In Indiana(and probably all other States) there is a funny semi-annual magazine called "Indiana Super Lawyers" where lawyers simply need to nominate themselves, get two other people to agree(can be their own law partners) and pay some fairly large fee and Boom: one is an Indiana Super Lawyer! ;D Posters here with kids in high school or college get the same solicitations for their child to be listed in a book of Distinguished National Scholars, simply for a "small" fee! My question has been answered and I, JSD, concede that Ringo Starr, a famous person(albeit for long ago glories) deserves the right to buy a Star for himself on the Walk of Fame. New Question: Why in the world would Ringo want to buy such an honor? Don't the "stars" always look slightly embarrassed at these things, putting their hands in the cement? Please Paul, resist the urge although it is probably too late now: Paul would look like he was being dissed if he doesn't buy a Star since the other three have them. Ringo will obviously never get a lifetime achievement Grammy Award as that would require a semi-objective look at his solo music career but that is another can of worms for another Thread! ;D
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Post by sayne on Feb 15, 2010 2:46:14 GMT -5
. . . Don't the "stars" always look slightly embarrassed at these things, putting their hands in the cement? . . . The "hands in cement" ceremony at Graumann's Theater is completely different than the Walk of Fame ceremony. I'm not sure how one gets to do that one. Graumann's is an even bigger tourist trap than the Walk of Fame. But, hey, you can get your picture taken with Superman, Wonder Woman, Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel, Jack Sparrow, and other icons. At least getting your picture taken at Abbey Road is free.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 15, 2010 8:50:58 GMT -5
Thank you sayne because my simple question, with a listing of objective facts about Ringo's solo career, was finally answered by a straightforward, objective response. Not the subjective stuff like: 1. He's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what; I'd wager even a person who hates the Beatles would be objective enough to realize "he's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what".
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 15, 2010 11:36:17 GMT -5
Thank you sayne because my simple question, with a listing of objective facts about Ringo's solo career, was finally answered by a straightforward, objective response. Not the subjective stuff like: 1. He's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what; I'd wager even a person who hates the Beatles would be objective enough to realize "he's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what". ;D Maybe!
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Post by sayne on Feb 16, 2010 23:18:59 GMT -5
If you look at things in perspective, what have any of US done that even comes close to what Ringo has done in his career? All of us combined couldn't even come close to less than one percent of what Ringo has accomplished. And who are we anyway? A bunch of schlubs hunched over our computer keyboards posting on an internet message board. Boy, that's a great achievement, that's an accomplishment! At least Steve's a journalist with an impressive set of credentials and contacts. I'm an actor who would love to be a little bit more successful, and I'll keep at it, and if I had even 5% of the career Ringo has had, that would be ok. ........ That's kind of hard, Fred. I would like to think that everyone on this Board has done(and continue to do) things in our real lives that make the world a little better, at least in our little corners of it. You weren't suggesting that only you and Steve from this Board have accomplished anything in life? You were kind of exclusive there, not that I am not impressed with your accomplishments. Maybe we should have a Curriculum Vitae Thread! ;D I think you were much too easy on our Madison Square Garden usher who's claim to fame is getting his picture taken with pop idols. With thanks to The Call, here's an edited homage to all the "9 to 5ers" here whose daily toil is undervalued and underappreciated, and overshadowed by misplaced pop culture hero worship: Here's to the teachers in the crowded rooms Here's to the workers in the fields Here's to the preachers of the sacred words Here's to the drivers at the wheel
Here's to the soldiers of the bitter war Here's to the wall that bears their names
Here's to the doctors and their healing work Here's to the loved ones in their care Here's to the strangers on the streets tonight Here's to the lonely everywhere
Here's to you my little loves with blessings from above Now let the day begin Here's to you my little loves with blessings from above Let the day begin
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 17, 2010 6:19:41 GMT -5
I think you were much too easy on our Madison Square Garden usher who's claim to fame is getting his picture taken with pop idols. Now that's harsh. Fred never said he did anything "famous" hmself; I think his original point was very valid, and when he made it he even included himself, not just the rest of us, as not having accomplished anything as significant as Ringo has. Jeez.
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Post by OldFred on Feb 17, 2010 8:06:22 GMT -5
I think you were much too easy on our Madison Square Garden usher who's claim to fame is getting his picture taken with pop idols. Actually, I'm a Tour Guide at Madison Square Garden, not an usher. And don't go knocking the ushers. After all, the usher who directs guests to their seats for the final concert of the Cream reunion or the recent Rock & Roll Hall of Fame concerts and other major events, for which the guests may have paid thousand of dollars for the best seats, not only gets to see the events for free, but they get paid for it too! Oh, the stuff I've seen at the Garden by working events and not paid a penny! ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 17, 2010 10:29:06 GMT -5
It is fair to say that we have all shined on, like the moon, and the stars and the sun! By the way, I have a small role in a one act play which is part of this Spring's production by the Logansport Civic Players. ;D This Spring they are not doing one full play but have invited local writers to write five (5) one act plays and they will be performed back to back for several evenings. A friend of mine wrote the play I am in and I portray a guy reading a self-written poem at a poetry competition. I was told that I wouldn't have to memorize lines because my part is a guy reading a pretty bad poem(Well, I guess I have have to say the poem's name and say[anxiously], "Thank you, thank you."). I open the play so I have to grab the audience. The director keeps stopping me at practice and makes me redo my reading because she wants me to adopt a certain cadence and affect. Geez, Fred, this stuff is hard work and I am just a three minute spot who is supposed to read his part. I am already freaking out! My hats off to you who do this regularly and professionally. Next time I am watching from the audience!
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Post by OldFred on Feb 17, 2010 17:39:19 GMT -5
It is fair to say that we have all shined on, like the moon, and the stars and the sun! By the way, I have a small role in a one act play which is part of this Spring's production by the Logansport Civic Players. ;D This Spring they are not doing one full play but have invited local writers to write five (5) one act plays and they will be performed back to back for several evenings. A friend of mine wrote the play I am in and I portray a guy reading a self-written poem at a poetry competition. I was told that I wouldn't have to memorize lines because my part is a guy reading a pretty bad poem(Well, I guess I have have to say the poem's name and say[anxiously], "Thank you, thank you."). I open the play so I have to grab the audience. The director keeps stopping me at practice and makes me redo my reading because she wants me to adopt a certain cadence and affect. Geez, Fred, this stuff is hard work and I am just a three minute spot who is supposed to read his part. I am already freaking out! My hats off to you who do this regularly and professionally. Next time I am watching from the audience! The best advice I can give you, Johnny, is just do the best you can and have fun with it. I have almost 40 years experience in theater and I admit that it can be intimidating, but once you get a handle on it and get in the swing of it, it gets pretty easy. Remember this: It's called a Play. Actors are known as Players. In essence, you are playing. So, don't stress out, try not to worry about it and just have fun.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Feb 17, 2010 21:25:13 GMT -5
...and make sure someone tapes it and puts it on YouTube so we can see your handsome face!
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 17, 2010 23:02:15 GMT -5
It is fair to say that we have all shined on, like the moon, and the stars and the sun! By the way, I have a small role in a one act play which is part of this Spring's production by the Logansport Civic Players. ;D This Spring they are not doing one full play but have invited local writers to write five (5) one act plays and they will be performed back to back for several evenings. A friend of mine wrote the play I am in and I portray a guy reading a self-written poem at a poetry competition. I was told that I wouldn't have to memorize lines because my part is a guy reading a pretty bad poem(Well, I guess I have have to say the poem's name and say[anxiously], "Thank you, thank you."). I open the play so I have to grab the audience. The director keeps stopping me at practice and makes me redo my reading because she wants me to adopt a certain cadence and affect. Geez, Fred, this stuff is hard work and I am just a three minute spot who is supposed to read his part. I am already freaking out! My hats off to you who do this regularly and professionally. Next time I am watching from the audience! The best advice I can give you, Johnny, is just do the best you can and have fun with it. I have almost 40 years experience in theater and I admit that it can be intimidating, but once you get a handle on it and get in the swing of it, it gets pretty easy. Remember this: It's called a Play. Actors are known as Players. In essence, you are playing. So, don't stress out, try not to worry about it and just have fun. Great advice, OldFred! This play is supposed to be funny. That is a nice, reassuring way of putting it: I am a Player(but you folks already knew that!). ;D Thanks for the encouragement. I have another practice tomorrow night and I'll walk in with a new found swagger! And then be sick.
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Post by OldFred on Feb 17, 2010 23:12:36 GMT -5
The best advice I can give you, Johnny, is just do the best you can and have fun with it. I have almost 40 years experience in theater and I admit that it can be intimidating, but once you get a handle on it and get in the swing of it, it gets pretty easy. Remember this: It's called a Play. Actors are known as Players. In essence, you are playing. So, don't stress out, try not to worry about it and just have fun. Great advice, OldFred! This play is supposed to be funny. That is a nice, reassuring way of putting it: I am a Player(but you folks already knew that!). ;D Thanks for the encouragement. I have another practice tomorrow night and I'll walk in with a new found swagger! And then be sick. Following in the footsteps of John Lennon, eh? He had major stage fright before a show, as was evident the night he appeared with Elton John at Madison Square Garden on November 28th, 1974, his last live concert before the public. He got 'sick' before the show and eluded to it before he launched into 'I Saw Her Standing There'. If you're going to follow in Lennon's footsteps, Johnny, don't forget to wipe your feet! Ewwww!
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 2, 2010 17:19:21 GMT -5
A big thanks to OldFred for sending me a video of him reading my lines in a local civic players play I am in! Not only did Fred help me get the right affect for my character's reading a self-written poem, but he helped me on the lines I actually have as I was pretty mechanical on them before.
I must say we have had rehearsals every night since Sunday and there is a lot of down time in between my 4 minutes of fame! I'll leave acting to the pros like OldFred!
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Post by OldFred on Mar 2, 2010 19:24:50 GMT -5
A big thanks to OldFred for sending me a video of him reading my lines in a local civic players play I am in! Not only did Fred help me get the right affect for my character's reading a self-written poem, but he helped me on the lines I actually have as I was pretty mechanical on them before. I must say we have had rehearsals every night since Sunday and there is a lot of down time in between my 4 minutes of fame! I'll leave acting to the pros like OldFred! You're very welcome, Johnny. I know what you mean about down time. It's called in the business 'hurry up and wait!'. Break a leg in the show and if a video is shot, be sure to post it so we can see your theatrical debut! ;D
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Post by winstonoboogie on Mar 2, 2010 21:10:50 GMT -5
A big thanks to OldFred for sending me a video of him reading my lines in a local civic players play I am in! Not only did Fred help me get the right affect for my character's reading a self-written poem, but he helped me on the lines I actually have as I was pretty mechanical on them before. I must say we have had rehearsals every night since Sunday and there is a lot of down time in between my 4 minutes of fame! I'll leave acting to the pros like OldFred! You're very welcome, Johnny. I know what you mean about down time. It's called in the business 'hurry up and wait!'. Break a leg in the show and if a video is shot, be sure to post it so we can see your theatrical debut! ;D Yes, "what he said", especially the video!
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Post by OldFred on Mar 3, 2010 20:14:38 GMT -5
I hate steering this post so far from the original topic, but since we got sidetracked on the subject of acting and video, today at the Garden a camera crew from Time Warner Cable followed me around for a piece on the Madison Square Garden tours. I showed them the Rangers locker room and other areas of the Garden, going over the history of the place. It was fun and once I find out when the piece airs I'll let everyone know about it. (Maybe it'd be a good idea to have a thread for members stories about interesting things that have happened to them which aren't necessarily Beatles related. Just a thought)
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Post by jimc on Mar 9, 2010 21:31:29 GMT -5
Thank you sayne because my simple question, with a listing of objective facts about Ringo's solo career, was finally answered by a straightforward, objective response. Not the subjective stuff like: 1. He's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what; I'd wager even a person who hates the Beatles would be objective enough to realize "he's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what". No, not even close: the Beatles have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, right?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Mar 9, 2010 22:41:06 GMT -5
I'd wager even a person who hates the Beatles would be objective enough to realize "he's an ex-Beatle so he deserves it no matter what". No, not even close: the Beatles have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, right? They do, though it's not in the same location the solo Beatles' stars are.
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Post by jimc on Mar 10, 2010 18:46:20 GMT -5
No, not even close: the Beatles have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, right? They do, though it's not in the same location the solo Beatles' stars are. That's splitting hairs rather surgically -- anyway, the point is that the Beatles have been bought and paid for there. Only in a bizarro world would Ringo then get one simply for being an ex-Beatle.
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