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Post by OldFred on Aug 12, 2008 5:51:02 GMT -5
From the 1975 Sir Lew Grade Tribute TV special, John Lennon Etcetera, which was Lennon's last TV performance. (the two-faced players are a reference to Sir Lew's two-faced tactics of business. Only John could have gotten away with something like that. )
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Post by waitrose on Aug 12, 2008 8:23:37 GMT -5
Awesome! Thanks Old Fred
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Post by mikev on Aug 12, 2008 9:54:44 GMT -5
Lennon's outfit as featured on my id photo.
I remember in the days after Lennon died ... ABC News showed the broadcast questioning a person who looked like _ _ _ in the audience. It obviously wasn't him. Another example of the press jumping to a quick conclusion.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 12, 2008 10:18:34 GMT -5
Lennon's outfit as featured on my id photo. I remember in the days after Lennon died ... ABC News showed the broadcast questioning a person who looked like _ _ _ in the audience. It obviously wasn't him. Another example of the press jumping to a quick conclusion. Mike, I thought the very same thing. I was at a Beatlefest in the mid-80's and some speaker(I can't remember who) freezed the frame and pointed out the alleged M.D. Chapman. Has that been discounted? The guest at the Fest said the killer confirmed being there in interviews with the authorities. He was once a huge fan but then something went terribly wrong in his brain. Anyway, I always think of that allegation when watching this performance and I shudder. I hope that it is false, I could then enjoy this more. I'll check the Keith Badman Solo Years Diary for this 1975 t.v. show. Badman would write something if Chapman was there.
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Post by mikev on Aug 12, 2008 11:35:45 GMT -5
I would have thought it would have been played up more if it were in fact him, because I never heard anything on that again. I would have to guess that tickets were not easy to come by.
I paused the video and said no way, but what do I know?
If I'm wrong then apologies to ABC News circa late 1980.
Any other takers here?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 12, 2008 16:38:24 GMT -5
I think the "Chapman was in the audience!!!" thing is a load of typical goss-ip malarky.
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Post by joeyself on Aug 12, 2008 17:25:54 GMT -5
Highly unlikely that Chapman was there. The show was filmed on April 18, 1975. homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob18.htmlChapman was in Beirut when the civil war broke out, as we learn here nymag.com/news/features/45252/index3.html: The details tell you all of that, and how young Mark David Chapman collected Beatles records, graduated from Columbia High School in Decatur, Georgia, where he briefly played guitar in a rock band, went to work for the YMCA, and in 1975 traveled to Beirut at his own expense to work in the YMCA’s International Camp Counselor program, was caught in the Lebanese civil war, escaped death, and returned to Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, to help process refugees from Vietnam. The first major event in the Lebanese Civil War was on the morning of April 13th, 1975, [when] unidentified gunmen in a speeding car fired on a church in the Christian East Beirut suburb of Ain El Rummaneh, killing 4 people including two Maronite Phalangists. Hours later, Phalangists led by the Gemayels killed 30 Palestinians traveling in Ain El Rummaneh. Citywide clashes erupted in response to this "Bus Massacre." (From Wikipedia's entry on the Lebanese Civil War). If Chapman, a 20 year old at the time, was in the audience at the Lew Grade show, then the timeline from the article from NEW YORK Magazine would mean he went AFTER the fighting escalated, not before. Plus, in the days before the Internet, how would a 20 year old in Decatur, Georgia know to be in New York for the filming of a TV show? JcS
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Post by Panther on Aug 12, 2008 22:45:13 GMT -5
Thanks, Old Fred -- highly enjoyable. I'd seen the "Imagine" performance once or twice, but never "Slippin' and Slidin'". The lyrics are another dig at Lew Grade!
Shows that John could easily have been as big as Elvis on the supper-club circuit if he'd so wanted (thank God he didn't).
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 13, 2008 12:24:20 GMT -5
Highly unlikely that Chapman was there. The show was filmed on April 18, 1975. homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob18.htmlChapman was in Beirut when the civil war broke out, as we learn here nymag.com/news/features/45252/index3.html: The details tell you all of that, and how young Mark David Chapman collected Beatles records, graduated from Columbia High School in Decatur, Georgia, where he briefly played guitar in a rock band, went to work for the YMCA, and in 1975 traveled to Beirut at his own expense to work in the YMCA’s International Camp Counselor program, was caught in the Lebanese civil war, escaped death, and returned to Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, to help process refugees from Vietnam. The first major event in the Lebanese Civil War was on the morning of April 13th, 1975, [when] unidentified gunmen in a speeding car fired on a church in the Christian East Beirut suburb of Ain El Rummaneh, killing 4 people including two Maronite Phalangists. Hours later, Phalangists led by the Gemayels killed 30 Palestinians traveling in Ain El Rummaneh. Citywide clashes erupted in response to this "Bus Massacre." (From Wikipedia's entry on the Lebanese Civil War). If Chapman, a 20 year old at the time, was in the audience at the Lew Grade show, then the timeline from the article from NEW YORK Magazine would mean he went AFTER the fighting escalated, not before. Plus, in the days before the Internet, how would a 20 year old in Decatur, Georgia know to be in New York for the filming of a TV show? Good research, Joey. I cannot find any internet based information that Chapman was there. To get to my Badman book would mean a trip to my bedroom(where my bookshelves and Beatles' books are) and I might stumble across my wife in there. I am just pointing out that like mikev, I saw something, perhaps a live lecture or maybe it was that same ABC broadcast shown in the Beatlefest video room(my memory was of hearing about this, including seeing a freeze-frame, at Beatlefest) claiming Chapman was at The Tribute To Sir Lew Grade show. It has always been in the back of my mind when listening to, or watching that performance. Perhaps the pall that has hung over this show for me will now be lifted. It is still John's last public music performance so that is sad.
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Post by joeyself on Aug 13, 2008 16:43:02 GMT -5
Good research, Joey. I cannot find any internet based information that Chapman was there. Thanks. I knew Chapman was in Arkansas in the year 1975, because I remember the Vietnamese relocation center being opened here; I just wasn't sure when in '75 he arrived (and still don't know the month, but I quit looking after I found what I needed. Well, we can't have that--might cut down on your time on line.
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Post by mikev on Aug 14, 2008 12:00:39 GMT -5
Not to change the subject too much, but since the Lew Grade special was Lennon's last public performance (he supposedly later played one or two songs on a bar piano in Japan for a small audience), a friend swore to me back in 1979 that he saw Lennon join Aerosmith on stage in Philly to play Come Together.
Historically we know that didn't happen, but I never could figure out why the guy would have made something like that up.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Aug 14, 2008 20:12:44 GMT -5
Not to change the subject too much, but since the Lew Grade special was Lennon's last public performance (he supposedly later played one or two songs on a bar piano in Japan for a small audience), a friend swore to me back in 1979 that he saw Lennon join Aerosmith on stage in Philly to play Come Together. Historically we know that didn't happen, but I never could figure out why the guy would have made something like that up. Maybe it was the tea?
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