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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 15, 2010 9:44:10 GMT -5
I'd have given anything to be a fly on the wall in George's hospital room in Staten Island, NY in Oct. 2001, when Paul and Ringo passed through to spend some time with a very sick George. Especially when Paul & George were alone. They knew it would be the last time they would ever see each other in this world. All we got from Paul was they (paraphrase) "spent some time alone together holding hands and talking." Me too, except at the same time I really wouldn't have wanted to, because it was such a private thing between the two men. It hurts me when I think about it. It was very moving reading Paul's account of that last meeting with George and just Paul's account made me emotional. I'm not sure I'd want to be there either, even as a fly. It would be a very intensely emotional and private moment between two old friends with deep bonds. It would be extremely painful for most of us here from the standpoint that we are fans and care(from afar) about these men. I do think that this event is an important part of The Beatles' continuing overall history that includes important non-musical events like the deaths of Julia, Stu, Brian, John and Linda. We may never know more than what Paul has spoken of but he painted a pretty vivid and moving image of that last meeting.
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Post by acebackwords on Mar 15, 2010 14:43:40 GMT -5
I don't believe for a second that John was actually truly happy during that 'Lost Weekend' period,quote] I'm with Joe on this one. I think Lennon was absolutely miserable during his Lost Weekend period. A border-line frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic. I believe Lennon very likely might have killed himself, or somebody else, during this period, if Yoko hadn't finally allowed him to come back home to New York. I'm sure he had some great parties along the way, too. Rocknroll, ya pukes. But what goes up comes down.
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 15, 2010 16:34:17 GMT -5
Me too, except at the same time I really wouldn't have wanted to, because it was such a private thing between the two men. It hurts me when I think about it. I do think that this event is an important part of The Beatles' continuing overall history that includes important non-musical events like the deaths of Julia, Stu, Brian, John and Linda. Don't forget Mal and Neil.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 15, 2010 20:22:04 GMT -5
And Mo and Derek.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 16, 2010 13:36:06 GMT -5
Hey Gang, the following is the reply from Keith Badman!
----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Badman To: John and Donna Damm Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: contact from website: A question about "After the Break-Up"
Dear John,
Thank you for your note and very kind words about my After The Break-Up book. Updating it has always been on the cards. Finding the time has been the problem.
Re George / John in 1980, out of all the points I made in my book, I guess this one has provoked the most discussions. I am still certain this happened. Thinking back, I believe it was noted in an American newspaper and even in a couple of Beatles fans magazine, The Beatles Book Monthly and Beatles Unlimited. As surviving photos prove, we see John even had a hair-cut that day. He possibly wanted to look smart for someone. George and Derek, by chance?
Re George's quote, he "hadn't seen John for a couple of years before his murder." With all due respect, he made it quite clear he had very little time for us Beatles-obsessives. (Watch what he said to Paul during the playback session on the Anthology bonus DVD to see this.) So I think his remark was just flippant. There is another possibility, however. His time with John at the Hollywood Bowl was brief. While his meeting in 1978 was more fruitful and that's why he remembered it the most.
I sincerely hope this helps. Considering I finished my After The Break-Up book almost 11 years ago, it really is nice to think fans are still enjoying it (despite its faults).
Keep up the great work. Let me know if you require anything else,
Thank you also for your kind words about my Marilyn project. An August release is still on the cards.
Best Wishes, Keith
Wow! This entry is the single most discussed in his book! As you see, he stands by it. He gives us clues as where to look farther.
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Post by stavros on Mar 16, 2010 14:32:52 GMT -5
Hey Gang, the following is the reply from Keith Badman! ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Badman To: John and Donna Damm Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: contact from website: A question about "After the Break-Up"
Dear John,
Thank you for your note and very kind words about my After The Break-Up book. Updating it has always been on the cards. Finding the time has been the problem.
Re George / John in 1980, out of all the points I made in my book, I guess this one has provoked the most discussions. I am still certain this happened. Thinking back, I believe it was noted in an American newspaper and even in a couple of Beatles fans magazine, The Beatles Book Monthly and Beatles Unlimited. As surviving photos prove, we see John even had a hair-cut that day. He possibly wanted to look smart for someone. George and Derek, by chance?
Re George's quote, he "hadn't seen John for a couple of years before his murder." With all due respect, he made it quite clear he had very little time for us Beatles-obsessives. (Watch what he said to Paul during the playback session on the Anthology bonus DVD to see this.) So I think his remark was just flippant. There is another possibility, however. His time with John at the Hollywood Bowl was brief. While his meeting in 1978 was more fruitful and that's why he remembered it the most.
I sincerely hope this helps. Considering I finished my After The Break-Up book almost 11 years ago, it really is nice to think fans are still enjoying it (despite its faults).
Keep up the great work. Let me know if you require anything else,
Thank you also for your kind words about my Marilyn project. An August release is still on the cards.
Best Wishes, KeithWow! This entry is the single most discussed in his book! As you see, he stands by it. He gives us clues as where to look farther. Well done John. And nice that Keith replied so soon as well. Maybe it was as simple as a meeting up to say hello and then off to their respective seats. You would think George would remember the last time he saw John though wouldn't you? Given that just 2 months and a few days later we lost him forever.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 16, 2010 16:38:26 GMT -5
Hey Gang, the following is the reply from Keith Badman! ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Badman To: John and Donna Damm Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: contact from website: A question about "After the Break-Up"
Dear John,
Thank you for your note and very kind words about my After The Break-Up book. Updating it has always been on the cards. Finding the time has been the problem.
Re George / John in 1980, out of all the points I made in my book, I guess this one has provoked the most discussions. I am still certain this happened. Thinking back, I believe it was noted in an American newspaper and even in a couple of Beatles fans magazine, The Beatles Book Monthly and Beatles Unlimited. As surviving photos prove, we see John even had a hair-cut that day. He possibly wanted to look smart for someone. George and Derek, by chance?
Re George's quote, he "hadn't seen John for a couple of years before his murder." With all due respect, he made it quite clear he had very little time for us Beatles-obsessives. (Watch what he said to Paul during the playback session on the Anthology bonus DVD to see this.) So I think his remark was just flippant. There is another possibility, however. His time with John at the Hollywood Bowl was brief. While his meeting in 1978 was more fruitful and that's why he remembered it the most.
I sincerely hope this helps. Considering I finished my After The Break-Up book almost 11 years ago, it really is nice to think fans are still enjoying it (despite its faults).
Keep up the great work. Let me know if you require anything else,
Thank you also for your kind words about my Marilyn project. An August release is still on the cards.
Best Wishes, KeithWow! This entry is the single most discussed in his book! As you see, he stands by it. He gives us clues as where to look farther. Well done John. And nice that Keith replied so soon as well. Maybe it was as simple as a meeting up to say hello and then off to their respective seats. You would think George would remember the last time he saw John though wouldn't you? Given that just 2 months and a few days later we lost him forever. Thanks, stavros! I too was delighted that Keith Badman replied at all. I said it above but what if that last purported meeting between George and John at the Hollywood Bowl on September 28, 1980 was not only short but uncomfortable or even tense? Maybe George suppressed memories of that meeting? We know for a fact that John was hurt by I Me Mine and per Philip Norman's book, "John Lennon: The Life," John never fully forgave George for the Yoko snub at the Bangladesh concert. Whatever good vibes existed between John and George in late June/early July of 1971 when George was at Ascot helping on at least three songs from the Imagine album, were strained a month later when George told John that he was welcomed on stage but Yoko could enjoy the show from the seats. On the other hand, why would John and Yoko fly all the way out to L.A. that September 28, 1980, just for a five minute or so handshake and hug with George and Derek? Of course they were rich and can do stuff like that but what would have been the point? I love this mystery! Mr. Badman reports that George gave John a cassette of songs that would someday be on Somewhere In England(which in a terrible irony would include "All Those Years Ago" on the final version). Does anyone here have vintage The Beatles Book Monthly and Beatles Unlimited mags from 1980? Likewise, we would have to search for Monty Python interviews as George and John would have met backstage at the HB where one of the MP's would have witnessed that. I find the "shifting relationships" between the ex-Beatles both fascinating and heartbreaking. It makes me always patch up fights within my family because we never know when someone we love will pass and then it's too late to say sorry or "I love you." It would be cool if we on this Board could track down solid sources on this alleged meeting between George and John on September 28, 1980. Our New York friends like JoeK or OldFred could ask Yoko outside the Dakota. As noted by someone above, Paul was always quick to say that he was glad that he and John had patched things up because, per Paul, George and John hadn't. Well, it appears that George actually met face to face with John at a later date than Paul did. Whether they made up or not is unknown.
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Post by stavros on Mar 16, 2010 17:35:41 GMT -5
Sometimes you look around and the clues are right there under your nose !! On this very site there is a Q &A session with Keith Badman regarding this alleged last meeting of George and John. www.abbeyrd.net/badman2.htmTwo interesting quotes : Q:Hey Keith: Great book!!!... You mention that in 1980 that John Lennon went to LA to see Monty Python at the Hollywood Bowl with George Harrison.....I'm wondering where you got this info from...I've never heard this anywhere else.....thanks. i really enjoyed your book. mike MFK31@aol.com
KB: Hi MIke, Thanks for the e-mail. I am most pleased that you enjoyed my book. Thank you! As I typed above, I got this info from original reports, and George's personal schedule. I must add, the meeting between the two Beatles was only brief, from what I can believe. Which leaves us with virtually the same answer in the e-mail. And then a slightly more intriguing Q: Dear Keith, I'd like to respond to an answer you gave to one of the questions posed to you in Steve Maninucci's Beatles site. It's in regards to the Monty Python concert in L.A. and the evidence you cited claiming a John and George meeting. You wrote: >>...to add weight to this story, John left New York this evening and wasn't seen again until the following day, when he was seen at the Hit Factory sporting a new haircut.<< I'm not sure if you're familiar with U.S. time zones, but there's a three-hour difference between New York and L.A., as well as 6.5 hours required to fly from NY to L.A. Thus, even if John _did_ leave New York "this evening," there's no physical way he could have been at the Monty Python concert in L.A. that same evening. (Let's say he leaves "that evening" at 6 PM, NY time; add 6.5 hours flight and it's 12:30 a.m.; minus 3 hours and it's 9:30 PM in L.A.; add an hour on both ends for transportation and airport check-in, and it's 11:30 PM in L.A.) Plus the extremely dubious suggestion that he'd spend 13 hours flying back and forth from NY to LA and back to NY within a day, just to attend a concert.
Do you have any _concrete, documented evidence that John met George then? You mentioned a reporter -- what reporter? Where? What newspaper? Or was that in reference only to George's presence, which is not being disputed? If not, I'd suggest that this alleged meeting never occurred. Thanks. Don Giller [donz5@aol.com]
KB:Dear Don, As for the John- George story 1980, I am aware of the time differences. I should have, obviously, said John left New York early this morning. I know if John had left NY later he wouldn't have got there in time for the MP concert. Since I reported this story in my book, I checked out whether or not other Beatles fanzines at the time picked up on this meeting. I found out that Holland's Beatles Unlimited also saw this report. The plot thickens, but a reporter obviously reported this. I am sorry to report that I don't recall who the reporter was, sorry! I'm quite fascinated myself now to check further on who reported this originally. Thanks for writing.
As I said before we do know that his concert took place and the Pythons did play over 3 or 4 days. However it sources George's personal schedule not John's. I'm sure George WAS there. After all he was funding the Pythons at this stage. However the proof that John was there is still elusive.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 16, 2010 19:05:17 GMT -5
Well done John. And nice that Keith replied so soon as well. Maybe it was as simple as a meeting up to say hello and then off to their respective seats. You would think George would remember the last time he saw John though wouldn't you? Given that just 2 months and a few days later we lost him forever. Thanks, stavros! I too was delighted that Keith Badman replied at all. I said it above but what if that last purported meeting between George and John at the Hollywood Bowl on September 28, 1980 was not only short but uncomfortable or even tense? Maybe George suppressed memories of that meeting? We know for a fact that John was hurt by I Me Mine and per Philip Norman's book, "John Lennon: The Life," John never fully forgave George for the Yoko snub at the Bangladesh concert. Whatever good vibes existed between John and George in late June/early July of 1971 when George was at Ascot helping on at least three songs from the Imagine album, were strained a month later when George told John that he was welcomed on stage but Yoko could enjoy the show from the seats. On the other hand, why would John and Yoko fly all the way out to L.A. that September 28, 1980, just for a five minute or so handshake and hug with George and Derek? Of course they were rich and can do stuff like that but what would have been the point? I love this mystery! Mr. Badman reports that George gave John a cassette of songs that would someday be on Somewhere In England(which in a terrible irony would include "All Those Years Ago" on the final version). Does anyone here have vintage The Beatles Book Monthly and Beatles Unlimited mags from 1980? Likewise, we would have to search for Monty Python interviews as George and John would have met backstage at the HB where one of the MP's would have witnessed that. I find the "shifting relationships" between the ex-Beatles both fascinating and heartbreaking. It makes me always patch up fights within my family because we never know when someone we love will pass and then it's too late to say sorry or "I love you." It would be cool if we on this Board could track down solid sources on this alleged meeting between George and John on September 28, 1980. Our New York friends like JoeK or OldFred could ask Yoko outside the Dakota. As noted by someone above, Paul was always quick to say that he was glad that he and John had patched things up because, per Paul, George and John hadn't. Well, it appears that George actually met face to face with John at a later date than Paul did. Whether they made up or not is unknown. I still think someone should run it by Eric Idle as well, given he was in the LA shows that September. He might remember a John/George encounter as well as Yoko would.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 17, 2010 21:41:53 GMT -5
Sometimes you look around and the clues are right there under your nose !! On this very site there is a Q &A session with Keith Badman regarding this alleged last meeting of George and John. www.abbeyrd.net/badman2.htmTwo interesting quotes : Q:Hey Keith: Great book!!!... You mention that in 1980 that John Lennon went to LA to see Monty Python at the Hollywood Bowl with George Harrison.....I'm wondering where you got this info from...I've never heard this anywhere else.....thanks. i really enjoyed your book. mike MFK31@aol.com
KB: Hi MIke, Thanks for the e-mail. I am most pleased that you enjoyed my book. Thank you! As I typed above, I got this info from original reports, and George's personal schedule. I must add, the meeting between the two Beatles was only brief, from what I can believe. Which leaves us with virtually the same answer in the e-mail. And then a slightly more intriguing Q: Dear Keith, I'd like to respond to an answer you gave to one of the questions posed to you in Steve Maninucci's Beatles site. It's in regards to the Monty Python concert in L.A. and the evidence you cited claiming a John and George meeting. You wrote: >>...to add weight to this story, John left New York this evening and wasn't seen again until the following day, when he was seen at the Hit Factory sporting a new haircut.<< I'm not sure if you're familiar with U.S. time zones, but there's a three-hour difference between New York and L.A., as well as 6.5 hours required to fly from NY to L.A. Thus, even if John _did_ leave New York "this evening," there's no physical way he could have been at the Monty Python concert in L.A. that same evening. (Let's say he leaves "that evening" at 6 PM, NY time; add 6.5 hours flight and it's 12:30 a.m.; minus 3 hours and it's 9:30 PM in L.A.; add an hour on both ends for transportation and airport check-in, and it's 11:30 PM in L.A.) Plus the extremely dubious suggestion that he'd spend 13 hours flying back and forth from NY to LA and back to NY within a day, just to attend a concert.
Do you have any _concrete, documented evidence that John met George then? You mentioned a reporter -- what reporter? Where? What newspaper? Or was that in reference only to George's presence, which is not being disputed? If not, I'd suggest that this alleged meeting never occurred. Thanks. Don Giller [donz5@aol.com]
KB:Dear Don, As for the John- George story 1980, I am aware of the time differences. I should have, obviously, said John left New York early this morning. I know if John had left NY later he wouldn't have got there in time for the MP concert. Since I reported this story in my book, I checked out whether or not other Beatles fanzines at the time picked up on this meeting. I found out that Holland's Beatles Unlimited also saw this report. The plot thickens, but a reporter obviously reported this. I am sorry to report that I don't recall who the reporter was, sorry! I'm quite fascinated myself now to check further on who reported this originally. Thanks for writing.
As I said before we do know that his concert took place and the Pythons did play over 3 or 4 days. However it sources George's personal schedule not John's. I'm sure George WAS there. After all he was funding the Pythons at this stage. However the proof that John was there is still elusive. I agree, stavros, with all due respect to Mr. Badman. That seems like a lot of work for John and Yoko for just a short visit. I hope that the two men did meet that Septemer day in 1980 for their sake. Thanks for finding that! As lowbasso writes, this would be a great question to ask Eric Idle if anyof us get to meet him.
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Post by nine on Mar 18, 2010 6:46:54 GMT -5
Hey Gang, the following is the reply from Keith Badman! ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Badman To: John and Donna Damm Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: contact from website: A question about "After the Break-Up"
Dear John,
Thank you for your note and very kind words about my After The Break-Up book. Updating it has always been on the cards. Finding the time has been the problem.
Re George / John in 1980, out of all the points I made in my book, I guess this one has provoked the most discussions. I am still certain this happened. Thinking back, I believe it was noted in an American newspaper and even in a couple of Beatles fans magazine, The Beatles Book Monthly and Beatles Unlimited. As surviving photos prove, we see John even had a hair-cut that day. He possibly wanted to look smart for someone. George and Derek, by chance?
Re George's quote, he "hadn't seen John for a couple of years before his murder." With all due respect, he made it quite clear he had very little time for us Beatles-obsessives. (Watch what he said to Paul during the playback session on the Anthology bonus DVD to see this.) So I think his remark was just flippant. There is another possibility, however. His time with John at the Hollywood Bowl was brief. While his meeting in 1978 was more fruitful and that's why he remembered it the most.
I sincerely hope this helps. Considering I finished my After The Break-Up book almost 11 years ago, it really is nice to think fans are still enjoying it (despite its faults).
Keep up the great work. Let me know if you require anything else,
Thank you also for your kind words about my Marilyn project. An August release is still on the cards.
Best Wishes, KeithWow! This entry is the single most discussed in his book! As you see, he stands by it. He gives us clues as where to look farther. Wow. Well done John. Great work. My bad habit (amongst others - lagers!) is that I smoke ciggers. I smoke on our balcony I have Keith's book out there that I pick up almost everytime I pop out for a smoke. I open a page at random. My brother when he comes over has just started doing the same. It is a great book. I hope Keith updates it because it is one of my fave Fab books. I'll wind up in a tick but before I do thanks again. I was always intrigued by that entry because Paul has always painted this image of him being the one that was so close to John during the house husband years. He has even commented on George and John being ostracized at the end. Ringo wasn't and GH wasn't then it must have been Paul... also in Badman's book there's an interview with Macca where he basically says that he's afraid to confront John because of his reaction.... Hope this makes sense! I've had a drink or two and I don't care ;D as you will notice on the board... I've commented on a million threads. Just delete them if they're crap. I won't be hurt and I won't remember either! Cheers old son, Harry (Nine) PS - Going back to my book now... Paul Auster.
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Post by nine on Mar 18, 2010 7:00:34 GMT -5
Thanks, stavros! I too was delighted that Keith Badman replied at all. I said it above but what if that last purported meeting between George and John at the Hollywood Bowl on September 28, 1980 was not only short but uncomfortable or even tense? Maybe George suppressed memories of that meeting? We know for a fact that John was hurt by I Me Mine and per Philip Norman's book, "John Lennon: The Life," John never fully forgave George for the Yoko snub at the Bangladesh concert. Whatever good vibes existed between John and George in late June/early July of 1971 when George was at Ascot helping on at least three songs from the Imagine album, were strained a month later when George told John that he was welcomed on stage but Yoko could enjoy the show from the seats. On the other hand, why would John and Yoko fly all the way out to L.A. that September 28, 1980, just for a five minute or so handshake and hug with George and Derek? Of course they were rich and can do stuff like that but what would have been the point? I love this mystery! Mr. Badman reports that George gave John a cassette of songs that would someday be on Somewhere In England(which in a terrible irony would include "All Those Years Ago" on the final version). Does anyone here have vintage The Beatles Book Monthly and Beatles Unlimited mags from 1980? Likewise, we would have to search for Monty Python interviews as George and John would have met backstage at the HB where one of the MP's would have witnessed that. I find the "shifting relationships" between the ex-Beatles both fascinating and heartbreaking. It makes me always patch up fights within my family because we never know when someone we love will pass and then it's too late to say sorry or "I love you." It would be cool if we on this Board could track down solid sources on this alleged meeting between George and John on September 28, 1980. Our New York friends like JoeK or OldFred could ask Yoko outside the Dakota. As noted by someone above, Paul was always quick to say that he was glad that he and John had patched things up because, per Paul, George and John hadn't. Well, it appears that George actually met face to face with John at a later date than Paul did. Whether they made up or not is unknown. I still think someone should run it by Eric Idle as well, given he was in the LA shows that September. He might remember a John/George encounter as well as Yoko would. I wonder if Yoko found the Pythons funny? If she was there.....
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 18, 2010 16:46:56 GMT -5
I don't think Paul was as close to John as he claims which is a real shame. It would have been nice if Paul/Linda and John/Yoko could do the couple thing every now and then.
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Post by stavros on Mar 18, 2010 17:30:33 GMT -5
Whilst we have mentioned the tensions between John and Paul, and also George and John, and then George and Paul. It seems that Ringo was almost always everyone's pal. And he still seems to be on great terms with Paul. There was a period in 2005 when Live 8 was on and he appeared slightly miffed Paul hadn't asked him along to play with U2. But generally Ringo seems to have been the most forgiving and understanding of all the Beatles. Is it that he knew his place as last in the pecking order and so no one ever felt threatened by Ringo? Or is it that he was the link between all of the Beatles and most loved in the band itself?
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 18, 2010 18:12:16 GMT -5
It would have been nice if Paul/Linda and John/Yoko could do the couple thing every now and then.
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Post by stavros on Mar 18, 2010 18:41:44 GMT -5
It would have been nice if Paul/Linda and John/Yoko could do the couple thing every now and then. Just think of the opportunities John & Paul's Plastic Mac & Plastic Ono Band (featuring Linko and Yoda)
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 18, 2010 19:04:33 GMT -5
Whilst we have mentioned the tensions between John and Paul, and also George and John, and then George and Paul. It seems that Ringo was almost always everyone's pal. And he still seems to be on great terms with Paul. There was a period in 2005 when Live 8 was on and he appeared slightly miffed Paul hadn't asked him along to play with U2. But generally Ringo seems to have been the most forgiving and understanding of all the Beatles. Is it that he knew his place as last in the pecking order and so no one ever felt threatened by Ringo? Or is it that he was the link between all of the Beatles and most loved in the band itself? IMO; I think Ringo knew his place in the pecking order as you said. He joined the band very late, well after the formative years and the slogging thru the Hamburg gigs; less than one month after joining the band, they made their first recording. And Ringo's ego was never the size of the other three. He was not competing for space on the albums for his own compositions. In fact, he only sang because the others wanted him to have a featured number on the album. He never had a desire to sing a track, just play drums. Ringo is not as opinionated as the other three were as well. He got along well with the other three, until the White Album, when he had to listen to the constant bickering among J, P & G and the begininngs of John's losing interest in the band, and he finally decided to quit, only to be coaxed back by the others. That incident shows clearly he always felt like the fourth wheel; and that John, Paul & George were a tighter unit, having been together much longer before he came along. Of the three, I think Ringo always felt closest to George. Wasn't it George who suggested him to the others in the band as they planned to dump Pete? In the Anthology video, who is it that picks up Ringo with his car at his flat in Liverpool among all the fans as their fame begins to grow in the late '62 period, before they moved to London? Who roomed together when they first moved to London? Who encourages George to play his middle eight guitar solos in some of Ringo's early vocal solo Beatle tracks? And finally, who wore his emotions on his sleeve in the jam sessions of the Threetles on the Anthology Extras, when they are sitting in George's yard and Ringo says how much he loves spending time with the other guys, and howgreat it is to get a chance to play with them. again. And Paul pats him on the shoulder like a puppy, and George says they'll have to do this again in another 25 years....
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 18, 2010 20:52:01 GMT -5
It would have been nice if Paul/Linda and John/Yoko could do the couple thing every now and then. Visit each other and do dinner's and things like that. They basically never spoke and weren't friendly to each other from what I gather in the later years.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 18, 2010 22:44:03 GMT -5
Whilst we have mentioned the tensions between John and Paul, and also George and John, and then George and Paul. It seems that Ringo was almost always everyone's pal. And he still seems to be on great terms with Paul. There was a period in 2005 when Live 8 was on and he appeared slightly miffed Paul hadn't asked him along to play with U2. But generally Ringo seems to have been the most forgiving and understanding of all the Beatles. Is it that he knew his place as last in the pecking order and so no one ever felt threatened by Ringo? Or is it that he was the link between all of the Beatles and most loved in the band itself? IMO; I think Ringo knew his place in the pecking order as you said. He joined the band very late, well after the formative years and the slogging thru the Hamburg gigs; less than one month after joining the band, they made their first recording. And Ringo's ego was never the size of the other three. He was not competing for space on the albums for his own compositions. In fact, he only sang because the others wanted him to have a featured number on the album. He never had a desire to sing a track, just play drums. Ringo is not as opinionated as the other three were as well. He got along well with the other three, until the White Album, when he had to listen to the constant bickering among J, P & G and the begininngs of John's losing interest in the band, and he finally decided to quit, only to be coaxed back by the others. That incident shows clearly he always felt like the fourth wheel; and that John, Paul & George were a tighter unit, having been together much longer before he came along. Of the three, I think Ringo always felt closest to George. Wasn't it George who suggested him to the others in the band as they planned to dump Pete? In the Anthology video, who is it that picks up Ringo with his car at his flat in Liverpool among all the fans as their fame begins to grow in the late '62 period, before they moved to London? Who roomed together when they first moved to London? Who encourages George to play his middle eight guitar solos in some of Ringo's early vocal solo Beatle tracks? And finally, who wore his emotions on his sleeve in the jam sessions of the Threetles on the Anthology Extras, when they are sitting in George's yard and Ringo says how much he loves spending time with the other guys, and howgreat it is to get a chance to play with them. again. And Paul pats him on the shoulder like a puppy, and George says they'll have to do this again in another 25 years.... Ringo must be a saint because he still loved George even though George allegedly had an affair with Maureen in the very late 60's or very early 70's!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 19, 2010 5:54:19 GMT -5
Ringo must be a saint because he still loved George even though George allegedly had an affair with Maureen in the very late 60's or very early 70's! sigh Poor lowbasso. Poor George. Poor Ringo. lowbasso writes all that really touching stuff, but again only the scandal and sordid, dubious tabloid magazine stuff gets singled out amidst all of that overwhelming beauty. Gossip, gossip Gossip, gossip I heard it in the night Words that thoughtless speak Like vultures swooping down below On the devil's radio I hear it through the day Airwaves gettin' filled With gossip broadcast to and fro On the devil's radio Oh yeah, gossip Gossip, oh yeah He's in the clubs and bars And never turns it down Talking about what he don't know On the devil's radio He's in your TV set Won't give it a rest That soul betraying so and so The devil's radio Gossip, gossip Gossip, gossip (Oh yeah) gossip, (gossip) oh yeah (Gossip) oh yeah, (oh yeah) gossip It's white and black like industrial waste Pollution of the highest degree You wonder why I don't hang out much I wonder how you can't see He's in the films and songs And on all your magazines It's everywhere that you may go The devil's radio Oh yeah, gossip Gossip, oh yeah Runs thick and fast, no one really sees Quite what bad it can do As it shapes you into something cold Like an Eskimo igloo It's all across our lives Like a weed it's spread 'till nothing else has space to grow The devil's radio Can creep up in the dark Make us hide behind shades And buzzing like a dynamo The devil's radio (Gossip) oh yeah, (gossip) oh yeah (Gossip) gossip, (gossip) gossip Oh yeah, gossip I heard you on the secret wireless Gossip, oh yeah You know the devil's radio, child Gossip, gossip Gossip, gossip
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 19, 2010 9:21:17 GMT -5
It in no way took away from anyone's words. It shows that the bonds between these two men were very strong, stronger than even their marital bonds in this case.
Joe, what's Layla about. Any discussion of George's great friendship with Eric Clapton must include Eric's falling in love with and being the straw that broke the camel's back between George and Pattie.
This is about the passion and bond of brotherhood between these men. The mere fact that George would play on a Ringo record doesn't tell us squat. That Ringo would still invite George to play after George's affair with Mo gives us a better understanding of the brotherhood.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 20, 2010 6:00:06 GMT -5
Joe, what's Layla about. Any discussion of George's great friendship with Eric Clapton must include Eric's falling in love with and being the straw that broke the camel's back between George and Pattie. Yes, but this one's been well documented all around. And while all players were still alive, too. Right here you speak this as an indisputable fact, which is my entire point. So George and Maureen had an affair because Patti said so? Interesting to me is that both Maureen and George are now gone, so neither can confirm nor deny this. It's not even that I think it was a big deal that could not be forgiven among friends if it happened; the only thing with me is, did it actually happen?
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Post by sayne on Mar 20, 2010 8:21:37 GMT -5
. . . Ringo is not as opinionated as the other three were as well . . . He sure has been trying to make up for lost time.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 20, 2010 12:12:34 GMT -5
. . . Ringo is not as opinionated as the other three were as well . . . He sure has been trying to make up for lost time. LOL! The "I would never come back to live in Liverpool" flap; the Regis and Kelly walk-off; the stop sending me your crap to sign controversy were all rather unlike Ringo. He seems to have mellowed out again.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 20, 2010 13:55:07 GMT -5
He sure has been trying to make up for lost time. LOL! The "I would never come back to live in Liverpool" flap; the Regis and Kelly walk-off; the stop sending me your crap to sign controversy were all rather unlike Ringo. He seems to have mellowed out again. He is just getting cranky in his old age.
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Post by stavros on Mar 20, 2010 16:59:27 GMT -5
He sure has been trying to make up for lost time. LOL! The "I would never come back to live in Liverpool" flap; the Regis and Kelly walk-off; the stop sending me your crap to sign controversy were all rather unlike Ringo. He seems to have mellowed out again. Maybe it's because he's heard that the next Pope will be named Pope John-Paul Georgian Ringo
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Post by Panther on Mar 21, 2010 0:59:41 GMT -5
Why did he walk off Regis & Kelly? Never heard of this... (I live in the Far East.)
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 21, 2010 1:24:16 GMT -5
Why did he walk off Regis & Kelly? Never heard of this... (I live in the Far East.) The show wanted Ringo to shorten his song "Liverpool 8" because of time constraints. Ringo was mad because he felt that each line of that song was an integral part of the song and his life! He and the band marched off the set in a huff. Apparently all sides later issued statements saying that all was cool. I wonder if Ringo was invited back to plug "Walk With You" off his latest album, whatever it was called as I've forgotten it already.
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Post by Panther on Mar 21, 2010 7:51:41 GMT -5
Only network TV could have a Beatle on the show, and then ask him to shorten his song...?? Boggles the mind.
Reminds me of when Larry King referred to Ringo as "George" live on TV.
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Post by sayne on Mar 21, 2010 11:40:45 GMT -5
. . . That seems like a lot of work for John and Yoko for just a short visit . . . Once, I left a football game at the Rose Bowl at halftime, took a trolley to the train station in LA, took a train to San Diego, then another trolley to Qualcomm Stadium to see a Padres game. Took me as long to get there as a flight to New York. In September, my wife and I are going to fly to Minneapolis just to go to the Walker Art Center to see an art exhibit she wants to see - and we are not rich by any means, so we really have to plan and save to do such things. But, people like John and Yoko can and do do such things on whims. Plus, they have "people" to drive them, get their tickets, pick up their bags, etc. So, I can see them doing it.
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