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Post by theoak on Aug 25, 2008 11:15:18 GMT -5
The boys recorded a lot of material. They gave away a handful of songs, but where are the unused songs?
If it is a fact that they only brought in their best material to the band, there has to be Lennon/McCartney material from 60-69 that has not seen the light of day. Are there notebooks of rejected song ideas out there?
I know where all of George's backlog ended up-released on All things Must Pass. Ringo hardly ever wrote. However, I find it hard to believe that every song John and Paul wrote was good enough to bring to the band. Where are the missing song ideas?
As example: Springsteen released a multi-CD set of rejected songs. They found Hank William's notebook of unfinished and rejected song ideas.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Aug 25, 2008 11:43:35 GMT -5
The boys recorded a lot of material. They gave away a handful of songs, but where are the unused songs? If it is a fact that they only brought in their best material to the band, there has to be Lennon/McCartney material from 60-69 that has not seen the light of day. Are there notebooks of rejected song ideas out there? I know where all of George's backlog ended up-released on All things Must Pass. Ringo hardly ever wrote. However, I find it hard to believe that every song John and Paul wrote was good enough to bring to the band. Where are the missing song ideas? As example: Springsteen released a multi-CD set of rejected songs. They found Hank William's notebook of unfinished and rejected song ideas. Paul always said Jane Asher threw out an old notebook of his with about 100 Lennon/McCartney songs with notations for harmony parts etc.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 25, 2008 12:49:04 GMT -5
The boys recorded a lot of material. They gave away a handful of songs, but where are the unused songs? If it is a fact that they only brought in their best material to the band, there has to be Lennon/McCartney material from 60-69 that has not seen the light of day. Are there notebooks of rejected song ideas out there? I know where all of George's backlog ended up-released on All things Must Pass. Ringo hardly ever wrote. However, I find it hard to believe that every song John and Paul wrote was good enough to bring to the band. Where are the missing song ideas? As example: Springsteen released a multi-CD set of rejected songs. They found Hank William's notebook of unfinished and rejected song ideas. Paul always said Jane Asher threw out an old notebook of his with about 100 Lennon/McCartney songs with notations for harmony parts etc. You know, my wife throws stuff out like crazy but I never leave work documents around the house. I'd like to think that she wouldn't throw those out. It was different for Paul as his home was just as much of his office as the studio. I like Jane Asher a lot better than Paul's other women but how could she be so stupid to throw away a notebook of Paul McCartney's without first asking him? "Oh, this doesn't look important, just some notes by Paul on his music." Duh! That would be like Mrs. Stephen King throwing away notebooks of her husband's writings without asking first. I am not saying that these songs would be great but they are now lost for the most part. Jane had to have done that in a fit of rage to get back at Paul, throw them out on purpose but claim it was an accident. Maybe that was the fight that inspired "I'm Looking Through You."
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Post by scousette on Aug 25, 2008 12:56:09 GMT -5
Or Paul's fibbing...
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Post by mikev on Aug 25, 2008 12:58:34 GMT -5
A little detective work and some digging at a dump somewhere in England and you are looking at $100M worth of Lennon and McCartney rock "classics" if each song was worth $1M a piece.
Probably a better chance of finding Jimmy Hoffa and Amilia Earhart.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 25, 2008 13:18:50 GMT -5
A little detective work and some digging at a dump somewhere in England and you are looking at $100M worth of Lennon and McCartney rock "classics" if each song was worth $1M a piece. Probably a better chance of finding Jimmy Hoffa and Amilia Earhart. LOL! I am right behind you Mike in digging at a dump for a notebook thrown away something like 41 or 42 years ago! ;D
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Post by mikev on Aug 25, 2008 13:42:36 GMT -5
Hey they dug down over 100' at Great Kills Dump in Staten Island, and pulled up a hot dog from 1971-completely intact, ready to heat and eat (well I certainly wouldn't).
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Post by sayne on Aug 25, 2008 13:52:04 GMT -5
. . . where are the unused songs? . . . They became Eagles songs. ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 25, 2008 14:20:46 GMT -5
Hey they dug down over 100' at Great Kills Dump in Staten Island, and pulled up a hot dog from 1971-completely intact, ready to heat and eat (well I certainly wouldn't). I trust that they were looking for something else! ;D
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Post by theoak on Aug 25, 2008 15:35:32 GMT -5
It would seem strange that nothing is heard about other songs. John is gone, but Paul has made few references to some other songs they worked on back in the day.
Strange.
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Post by mikev on Aug 25, 2008 16:29:25 GMT -5
They horsed around with a few during Get Back besides One After 909. Thinking of Linking, I Lost My Little Girl (with a full studio version sung by Lennon-even though Paul wrote it), Because I Love You So and others.
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Post by gloi on Aug 25, 2008 16:57:04 GMT -5
Macca said in an interview in recent years that he has found the notebook.
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 25, 2008 17:05:35 GMT -5
So he blamed Jane Asher for throwing it away when all the time he just lost it?
No wonder his relationships don't work out.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 25, 2008 19:07:00 GMT -5
So he blamed Jane Asher for throwing it away when all the time he just lost it? No wonder his relationships don't work out. I hate when that happens! And it usually does after I've made a complete ass of myself to my wife, blaming her for pitching something of mine only to find it where I last left it. I don't think that there are any lost Lennon/McCartney songs that are worth a damn. A good song is not forgotten.
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Post by mikev on Aug 25, 2008 19:15:50 GMT -5
I guess I'll put away my shovel and tix to Heathrow...
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Post by scousette on Aug 26, 2008 0:55:33 GMT -5
Macca said in an interview in recent years that he has found the notebook. ;D
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Post by kc on Aug 26, 2008 1:49:02 GMT -5
I bought a great book recently. Richie Unterberger, The Unreleased Beatles: Music & Film (San Francisco: Backbeat Books, 2006). Unterberger seems to be the main authority on these matters.
From the book: "the vast majority of unrecorded Lennon-McCartney tunes were written in the first five years they knew each other"
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PM: "most of what we called our 'first hundred' was probably about five." Confusingly, he later said "our legendary 'first one hundred' was probably in reality less than half that amount."
Unterberger does say that "Paul still has an exercise book full, but they don't show much."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 4:46:06 GMT -5
I wonder if that notebook contains Paul's best lyrics and because he misplaced it he has had to settle for the 2nd best ones..... ;D ;D
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 26, 2008 8:33:40 GMT -5
I bought a great book recently. Richie Unterberger, The Unreleased Beatles: Music & Film (San Francisco: Backbeat Books, 2006). Unterberger seems to be the main authority on these matters. From the book: "the vast majority of unrecorded Lennon-McCartney tunes were written in the first five years they knew each other" BUT PM: "most of what we called our 'first hundred' was probably about five." Confusingly, he later said "our legendary 'first one hundred' was probably in reality less than half that amount." Unterberger does say that "Paul still has an exercise book full, but they don't show much." Here's an interview I did with Unterberger: abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/unterberger.htmHere are my comments on the book when it was released: abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/1030unreleasedbeatles.html
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 9:01:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the links Steve..Great interview...very interesting
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Post by theoak on Aug 26, 2008 11:44:24 GMT -5
Great interview Steve. Hard telling what is out there.
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Post by sayne on Aug 26, 2008 20:12:24 GMT -5
Not to compare myself with John or Paul, but in all the bands I've been in, there has never been a song I've written that hasn't been done. Not that I'm a great writer, but I had high standards for myself, and I never introduced a song I didn't feel good about. Also, I freely let the band members contribute greatly to the arrangement, so they had ownership of the songs. So, I can believe that we've heard pretty close to every COMPLETE SONG they've written. Now, fragments might be another story.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Aug 26, 2008 20:19:30 GMT -5
Yes! What they said! W. O'B.
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Post by theoak on Aug 27, 2008 10:04:41 GMT -5
Macca said in an interview in recent years that he has found the notebook. This notebook has officially climbed near the top of my "want" list. Lost Lennon/McCartney material written in their own hands would sell very well me thinks.
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Post by nine on Aug 31, 2008 19:31:28 GMT -5
I read somewhere once that No More Lonely Nights had its roots in 1966,
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 1, 2008 3:25:17 GMT -5
I'm sure that there are originals which haven't seen the light of day. I think back to "Wake up in the morning" during the Twickenham rehearsals, which was clearly a song they were familiar with - it had the sound of something they had played a lot and knew the arrangement of. I fancy me chances - vovelty or no - is another one which they knew well. Now, how many of them there were, how many were complete songs, and how many survive, are different questions...
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 1, 2008 8:42:25 GMT -5
I read somewhere once that No More Lonely Nights had its roots in 1966, 9 I don't recall hearing that, but that would be interesting. Anyone else recall this?
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Post by johnpaulharstar on Sept 2, 2008 19:45:38 GMT -5
Wasn't "Great Day" from the FLAMING PIE album a song that dated back to around 1968?
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Post by mikev on Sept 2, 2008 19:51:46 GMT -5
The melody resembles Can You Take Me Back and Big Barn Bed.
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Post by theoak on Sept 3, 2008 16:56:33 GMT -5
Another piece of the puzzle from, "A Hard Day's Write", the section about In My Life:
"Elliot Mintz, who was hired by Yoko Ono to carry out an inventory of all John's personal possessions after his death, remembers seeing the first handwritten draft of the song. "It was part of a large book in which he kept all his original Beatles' compositions," says Mintz. "He had already told me about how the song was written and that he considered it a significant turning point in his writing."
It sounds like John and Paul both had notebooks, and it sounds like both still exist. I wonder if they will ever see the light of day?
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