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Post by historywak on Aug 13, 2010 16:48:04 GMT -5
I mean really, it hasn't even been 5 years yet since Walls and Bridges and Sometime in New York City remasters were released and we're getting new remasters? This makes me wish I didn't waste my time buying his remastered albums in the 2000s. The only thing I'd be looking for now is the remasters of his non-album singles and they appear to be exclusive to the box set! Am I the only one who feels this way?
Paul McCartney's remasters and other Apple records' artists are one thing since they're all way overdue for a remastering but Lennon's? Are his relatively new remasters that I own now considered bad?
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Post by OldFred on Aug 13, 2010 18:02:13 GMT -5
I'll only re-buy 'Walls and Bridges' if, and only if, Yoko reinstates the original artwork that John put together for the album. I'm still mad that she would redo the cover and put the John&Yoko morph photo on the CD label to an album she had absolutely NOTHING to do with! Original John Lennon die-cut cover for 'Walls and Bridges' Yoko redesign of CD version. John&Yoko morph from 'Sometime In New York City', which should have been on that CD and NOT on 'Walls and Bridges'
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Post by wooltonian on Aug 14, 2010 9:25:51 GMT -5
Paul McCartney's remasters and other Apple records' artists are one thing since they're all way overdue for a remastering but Lennon's? Are his relatively new remasters that I own now considered bad? Do remasters actually need 'remastering'? Is the difference between old and new remasters so great that it actually merits a new issue? Once a recording has been remastered surely that's it. What possible extra value can you get from tiny fractions of difference in sound quality? Surely the desire to possess second and third generation remasters is more anal than aural.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 14, 2010 13:17:32 GMT -5
As I write this, I am listening to the 2004 remastered(possibly remixed) John Lennon Rock 'N' Roll and it is fantastic! This thing rocks hard(except the slowed down "Sweet Sixteen").
The 2004 reissue SAVED this album. I don't see how yet another remastered version will improve upon it.
Yeah, the new set or reissues is starting to piss me off since I bought my second entire set of Lennon c.d.'s with the 2003-2004 remasters. I'll probably pick up these new ones because I am compulsive and will take it like a man.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 14, 2010 17:28:37 GMT -5
The 2000 remastered and remixed Imagine album sounds amazing too although there are no bonus tracks. Adding some bonus tracks is the only way to improve that album short of resurrecting John.
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Post by brothermichael on Aug 14, 2010 22:04:40 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. I'm not buying these again.
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Post by nine on Aug 15, 2010 3:47:50 GMT -5
I too bought the remasters. I've been waiting for Menlove Avenue and Live In New York not a new box. I don't wanna spend a motza just to get one or two rarities either.
My thoughts on the stripped back Double Fantasy album...
Should be a combination of DF and Milk & Honey. Should be released with the film that was taken during the sessions.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 15, 2010 23:03:44 GMT -5
Was Live Peace In Toronto given the remastered/remixed treatment? It appears that John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and Imagine were remastered and remixed in 2000. I kind of remember Imagine being first and there was some fanfare for that. Mind Games was given new life by being remastered and remixed in 2002, making that album much warmer and vital than it ever had, even on vinyl. Rock 'n' Roll was remixed and remastered in 2004 which was a major game-changer for that album. R'n'R is the most dramatic example where improved sonics can save an album. Burn then bury the original c.d. and buy the 2004 version. Keep your vinyl album simply for the large album cover but the vinyl version was crap too. 2005 saw Walls And Bridges remastered and partially remixed, though for some dumb reason, four of the original tracks, "Old Dirt Road", "Bless You", "Scared" and "Nobody Loves You" were not remixed. This re-issued album had the changed album cover doing away with John's childhood drawings and had a c.d. label with John and Yoko morphing into each other which was grossly inappropriate for this album in particular. Some Time in New York City got the remastered and remixed makeover in 2005 also. In what had to be legal wrangling, much of the jam with Frank Zappa was deleted. I never thought the remixing did much for this album: no miracle of resurrecting the dead like on R'n'R. I am reminded by looking at it that Double Fantasy was remastered in 2000 with bonus tracks and Milk And Honey was remastered and re-issued in 2001. I see that I own a version of Double Fantasy part of the "Original Master Recording" series by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab which was earlier than 2000 but it never knocked me off my feet. Thus, John's catalog is already in very good shape. I will be interested to hear how these new 2010 remasters stack up. Will they junk the remixes done to most of the albums as set out about? Will all of Walls And Bridges now be remixed. Stay tuned, film at eleven! ;D I can't wait for Paul's catalog to be modernized and George needs two more albums done. Ringo....it matters not one bit. I do wish Time Takes Time might be face-lifted with bonus tracks. I could care less about the rest as RINGO was nicely redone several years ago: I can live with that.
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Post by historywak on Aug 16, 2010 8:47:04 GMT -5
Was Live Peace In Toronto given the remastered/remixed treatment? It appears that John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and Imagine were remastered and remixed in 2000. I kind of remember Imagine being first and there was some fanfare for that. Mind Games was given new life by being remastered and remixed in 2002, making that album much warmer and vital than it ever had, even on vinyl. Rock 'n' Roll was remixed and remastered in 2004 which was a major game-changer for that album. R'n'R is the most dramatic example where improved sonics can save an album. Burn then bury the original c.d. and buy the 2004 version. Keep your vinyl album simply for the large album cover but the vinyl version was crap too. 2005 saw Walls And Bridges remastered and partially remixed, though for some dumb reason, four of the original tracks, "Old Dirt Road", "Bless You", "Scared" and "Nobody Loves You" were not remixed. This re-issued album had the changed album cover doing away with John's childhood drawings and had a c.d. label with John and Yoko morphing into each other which was grossly inappropriate for this album in particular. Some Time in New York City got the remastered and remixed makeover in 2005 also. In what had to be legal wrangling, much of the jam with Frank Zappa was deleted. I never thought the remixing did much for this album: no miracle of resurrecting the dead like on R'n'R. I am reminded by looking at it that Double Fantasy was remastered in 2000 with bonus tracks and Milk And Honey was remastered and re-issued in 2001. I see that I own a version of Double Fantasy part of the "Original Master Recording" series by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab which was earlier than 2000 but it never knocked me off my feet. Thus, John's catalog is already in very good shape. I will be interested to hear how these new 2010 remasters stack up. Will they junk the remixes done to most of the albums as set out about? Will all of Walls And Bridges now be remixed. Stay tuned, film at eleven! ;D I can't wait for Paul's catalog to be modernized and George needs two more albums done. Ringo....it matters not one bit. I do wish Time Takes Time might be face-lifted with bonus tracks. I could care less about the rest as RINGO was nicely redone several years ago: I can live with that. Live Peace in Toronto was given the Original Master Recording by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab treatment in 2006. www.amazon.com/Live-Peace-Toronto-1969-Anniversary/dp/B000BJ7DDM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_topGood breakdown by the way. I enjoyed reading that.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 16, 2010 10:53:21 GMT -5
Was Live Peace In Toronto given the remastered/remixed treatment? It appears that John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and Imagine were remastered and remixed in 2000. I kind of remember Imagine being first and there was some fanfare for that. Mind Games was given new life by being remastered and remixed in 2002, making that album much warmer and vital than it ever had, even on vinyl. Rock 'n' Roll was remixed and remastered in 2004 which was a major game-changer for that album. R'n'R is the most dramatic example where improved sonics can save an album. Burn then bury the original c.d. and buy the 2004 version. Keep your vinyl album simply for the large album cover but the vinyl version was crap too. 2005 saw Walls And Bridges remastered and partially remixed, though for some dumb reason, four of the original tracks, "Old Dirt Road", "Bless You", "Scared" and "Nobody Loves You" were not remixed. This re-issued album had the changed album cover doing away with John's childhood drawings and had a c.d. label with John and Yoko morphing into each other which was grossly inappropriate for this album in particular. Some Time in New York City got the remastered and remixed makeover in 2005 also. In what had to be legal wrangling, much of the jam with Frank Zappa was deleted. I never thought the remixing did much for this album: no miracle of resurrecting the dead like on R'n'R. I am reminded by looking at it that Double Fantasy was remastered in 2000 with bonus tracks and Milk And Honey was remastered and re-issued in 2001. I see that I own a version of Double Fantasy part of the "Original Master Recording" series by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab which was earlier than 2000 but it never knocked me off my feet. Thus, John's catalog is already in very good shape. I will be interested to hear how these new 2010 remasters stack up. Will they junk the remixes done to most of the albums as set out about? Will all of Walls And Bridges now be remixed. Stay tuned, film at eleven! ;D I can't wait for Paul's catalog to be modernized and George needs two more albums done. Ringo....it matters not one bit. I do wish Time Takes Time might be face-lifted with bonus tracks. I could care less about the rest as RINGO was nicely redone several years ago: I can live with that. Live Peace in Toronto was given the Original Master Recording by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab treatment in 2006. www.amazon.com/Live-Peace-Toronto-1969-Anniversary/dp/B000BJ7DDM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Thanks for that info, historywak. I don't have the 2006 OMR version of Live Peace. I'm not at home but I think my "Live Peace" is from 1995 although it is not shoddy packaging like the original Lennon albums were when first released on c.d. My "1995" version is kind of nice but I would love the 2006 OMR version. I think that this is great rock and roll by John, Yoko and the Plastic Ono Band. Rough but spirited. It was so good to see John get out of a darn studio and into a sports stadium for live music!
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Post by Panther on Aug 24, 2010 6:49:29 GMT -5
I can't remember which year's reissue it was, but I started laughing when I saw that Yoko/John's people had stuck "Power To The People" onto the end of John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band, right after (What else?) "My Mummy's Dead" (!).
Talk about destroying the listening experience. I know, how about we stick "I Want to Hold Your Hand" onto Sgt. Pepper, right after 'A Day in the Life'??
Aside from that perversity, the changing of the Walls & Bridges cover, the dismissing of the Frank Zappa jam on STINYC, the re-mixing (not remastering -- "reMIXing" of some of them) caused me to give them all a pass.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 24, 2010 8:55:36 GMT -5
I can't remember which year's reissue it was, but I started laughing when I saw that Yoko/John's people had stuck "Power To The People" onto the end of John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band, right after (What else?) "My Mummy's Dead" (!). Talk about destroying the listening experience. I know, how about we stick "I Want to Hold Your Hand" onto Sgt. Pepper, right after 'A Day in the Life'?? I don't like POWER TO THE PEOPLE at the end of POB either, panther. Besides, it's readily available on Lennon "Hits" collections. I was a little more tolerant of DO THE OZ also being included on POB, because it's more rare... but all the same, it ruins the feel & flow (or dead stop if you will) of the original POB album. I guess I'm generally not a big fan of "bonus tracks" when they're included on the same disc as the official album. Don't know why; maybe because it just wasn't "officially part of the LP". All the same, I guess it's easy enough to just tell myself in my head: "ok, the ALBUM itself is now finished - here come the BONUS TRACKS". But of course, let us not limit this practice just to John/Yoko's people...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 24, 2010 8:57:00 GMT -5
I'll only re-buy 'Walls and Bridges' if, and only if, Yoko reinstates the original artwork that John put together for the album. I'm still mad that she would redo the cover and put the John&Yoko morph photo on the CD label to an album she had absolutely NOTHING to do with! I'm with you on that one, Fred. Much as I give Yoko a lotta slack, I will give her some flack here!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 24, 2010 9:18:40 GMT -5
By the way - since I've been out of the loop for a while, I didn't even know that these CDs were being remastered. Not sure how I feel about this at the moment, but generally I'm in the "why bother?" club. But here are some things I feel about the other remasters:
PLASTIC ONO BAND -- As far as I recall, this one was pretty well done, but there was (I think?) a slightly different longer intro to the song Hold On John compared to what I've always been used to. I never cared for that and I'd hope it would be back to the older LP version.
IMAGINE -- I recall being satisfied with this.
SOME TIME IN NYC -- I like the current one fine, and the lack of Zappa stuff doesn't concern me personally as I've never played it even on vinyl and don't care to.
MIND GAMES -- I semi-part ways with our own JSD here. I did enjoy MUCH of this remastering/remixing. But there are some songs which sound too changed from what I'm used to. Even the single Mind Games had some kind of prominent sounds I feel I'd never heard up there before, organ and stuff (and didn't like it). I recall Tight A$ not being as good to me (certain nuances missing - like one moment where you used to be able to hear the 'finger sliding' down the string during the solo). I think some songs were improved, like I Know I Know, You Are Here, Out The Blue and Intuition. In fact, I feel just about all of the other songs became improved. Meat City was compromised IMO and is another version completely, almost ... as you can hear a lot more vocal stuff on it that John had surpressed through the original mix. (But then again, if John WANTED the stuff his way, is it right to change it? I dunno). WHATEVER they do to the new MIND GAMES disc, they had better include the FULL FADEOUT to MEAT CITY... where John asks "Why are they doing those.. strange... things?".
WALLS AND BRIDGES -- Don't recall any problem with this, maybe I haven't heard it enough since it was issued. I wasn't aware of the songs which were not redone, that JSD pointed out. And YES, that cover should be axed and John's original artwork restored, without that awful John/Yoko morph on its CD label.
ROCK AND ROLL -- I recall thinking the remastering was just fine and benefited the album for the most part.
DOUBLE FANTASY/MILK AND HONEY -- I'm satisfied with the ones we've got.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 24, 2010 13:56:48 GMT -5
By the way - since I've been out of the loop for a while, I didn't even know that these CDs were being remastered. Not sure how I feel about this at the moment, but generally I'm in the "why bother?" club. But here are some things I feel about the other remasters: PLASTIC ONO BAND -- As far as I recall, this one was pretty well done, but there was (I think?) a slightly different longer intro to the song Hold On John compared to what I've always been used to. I never cared for that and I'd hope it would be back to the older LP version. IMAGINE -- I recall being satisfied with this. SOME TIME IN NYC -- I like the current one fine, and the lack of Zappa stuff doesn't concern me personally as I've never played it even on vinyl and don't care to. MIND GAMES -- I semi-part ways with our own JSD here. I did enjoy MUCH of this remastering/remixing. But there are some songs which sound too changed from what I'm used to. Even the single Mind Games had some kind of prominent sounds I feel I'd never heard up there before, organ and stuff (and didn't like it). I recall Tight A$ not being as good to me (certain nuances missing - like one moment where you used to be able to hear the 'finger sliding' down the string during the solo). I think some songs were improved, like I Know I Know, You Are Here, Out The Blue and Intuition. In fact, I feel just about all of the other songs became improved. Meat City was compromised IMO and is another version completely, almost ... as you can hear a lot more vocal stuff on it that John had surpressed through the original mix. (But then again, if John WANTED the stuff his way, is it right to change it? I dunno). WHATEVER they do to the new MIND GAMES disc, they had better include the FULL FADEOUT to MEAT CITY... where John asks "Why are they doing those.. strange... things?".WALLS AND BRIDGES -- Don't recall any problem with this, maybe I haven't heard it enough since it was issued. I wasn't aware of the songs which were not redone, that JSD pointed out. And YES, that cover should be axed and John's original artwork restored, without that awful John/Yoko morph on its CD label. ROCK AND ROLL -- I recall thinking the remastering was just fine and benefited the album for the most part. DOUBLE FANTASY/MILK AND HONEY -- I'm satisfied with the ones we've got. Nice post, Joe. I understand your and panther's concerns about the re-mixing and even the beginning of "God" seems different to me on the 2000 remastered and remixed POB. I wonder if these new 2010 re-issues simply are remasters of the mixes we grew up with or are the significant remixing of the 2000's versions going to stay? What cover for W & B's? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Completists will be spending some money with all of these Johnand Paul re-issues.
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Post by historywak on Aug 25, 2010 9:23:56 GMT -5
So has anyone heard any more news about these?
Also, is anyone else feeling burned out with Beatles remasters, John Lennon Remasters, Paul McCartney Remasters, and Apple artists remasters coming out this close together? Luckily Paul's isn't coming out all at once.
Back to Lennon's remasters, one thing I've been curious about is what they are going to do with the non-album singles. I've also been wondering what kind of a price range to expect for this box. After getting the Beatles' Stereo and Mono box, naturally I'm not going to be crazy over yet another expensive box coming out this soon afterwards.
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Post by theman on Sept 5, 2010 22:43:29 GMT -5
I might buy "Imagine" and I'm kinda interested in the stripped down, "Double Fantasy". Other than that, probably not. I bought the Lennon box set from many years ago and thought the sound was pretty good. I received the Anthology box set as a gift and have most of the original CD releases. Now, I did buy the remastered "Rock-N-Roll", which I love and "Double Fantasy, which I need to give another listen to soon.
So, in these hard economic times, do I need a 10th version of John's greatest hits? No!
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