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Post by vectisfabber on Oct 10, 2010 6:57:19 GMT -5
This was shown last night over here.
Not very good, was it?
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Post by OldFred on Oct 10, 2010 7:20:52 GMT -5
This is the version of the One To One concerts that Yoko released in the '80's, and it's the afternoon show which was inferior to the later evening show. Even Lennon apologizes by saying "Welcome to the rehearsal!". Plus, the majority of the concert is taken up by songs from 'Sometime In New York City' which is considered John's worst album and John disowned later on. His appearance with Elton John on Thanksgiving 1974 two years later at Madison Square Garden is much more superior.
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Post by mikev on Oct 10, 2010 8:42:48 GMT -5
ABC telecasted some of the evening show (not live-I don't think at least), of which only Come Together and two others were released on Anthology (liner notes claim these were unreleased from the afternoon show-which is incorrect).
The evening version of Imagine is excellent. I taped it off of a Westwood One special 20 years ago- now I can't find it anywhere, other than my cassette.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 10, 2010 9:07:33 GMT -5
ABC telecasted some of the evening show (not live-I don't think at least), of which only Come Together and two others were released on Anthology (liner notes claim these were unreleased from the afternoon show-which is incorrect). What ABC showed was an edited version of the evening show, which included some of the performances by Stevie Wonder, Roberta Flack and Sha Na Na. If Yoko ever issues a DVD of the One To One concert it's hopeful that she'll include both the afternoon and evening performances with highlights of the other performers from those shows. The part of the 'Live In NYC' video I really hate is when Yoko reads the quote from Adolf Hitler, which preceded their performance of 'Give Peace A Chance', as if that was something profound. It was naive, tasteless and offensive. (The ABC broadcast did not include the quote.) The One to One concerts were held to raise awareness of the Willowbrook tragedy of the mistreatment of mentally handicapped persons. Besides the Jews, Hitler's 'Final Solution' also included the mentally challenged among the victims. I guess John&Yoko didn't fully think that out. The equivalent would have been if someone solemnly read a quote by Osama Bin Laden at the Concert for New York City. It was interesting for me to note that when I viewed the film of 'LennoNYC' on Thursday at the Paley Center, when it came to the same sequence there was a narration talk-over the end of the Hitler quote just before John&Yoko launched into 'Give Peace A Chance'. According to the film, John&Yoko got biting reviews about the concert. I think in part the bad reviews stemmed from the 'Sometime In New York City' material performed, but I think the Hitler quote really rubbed people the wrong way. I was offended by it and I wish they hadn't done it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 10, 2010 10:36:36 GMT -5
This is the version of the One To One concerts that Yoko released in the '80's, and it's the afternoon show which was inferior to the later evening show. Even Lennon apologizes by saying "Welcome to the rehearsal!" I believe we've had this discussion before, but the released version has different performances, doesn't it? All you have to do is check the microphone, which varies from shot to shot. Sometime there's a filter on it, sometimes not.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 10, 2010 10:38:30 GMT -5
This was shown last night over here. Not very good, was it? Even as a John fan, I'd say No - it was not.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 13, 2010 6:49:20 GMT -5
ABC telecasted some of the evening show (not live-I don't think at least), of which only Come Together and two others were released on Anthology (liner notes claim these were unreleased from the afternoon show-which is incorrect). What ABC showed was an edited version of the evening show, which included some of the performances by Stevie Wonder, Roberta Flack and Sha Na Na. If Yoko ever issues a DVD of the One To One concert it's hopeful that she'll include both the afternoon and evening performances with highlights of the other performers from those shows. The part of the 'Live In NYC' video I really hate is when Yoko reads the quote from Adolf Hitler, which preceded their performance of 'Give Peace A Chance', as if that was something profound. It was naive, tasteless and offensive. (The ABC broadcast did not include the quote.) The One to One concerts were held to raise awareness of the Willowbrook tragedy of the mistreatment of mentally handicapped persons. Besides the Jews, Hitler's 'Final Solution' also included the mentally challenged among the victims. I guess John&Yoko didn't fully think that out. The equivalent would have been if someone solemnly read a quote by Osama Bin Laden at the Concert for New York City. It was interesting for me to note that when I viewed the film of 'LennoNYC' on Thursday at the Paley Center, when it came to the same sequence there was a narration talk-over the end of the Hitler quote just before John&Yoko launched into 'Give Peace A Chance'. According to the film, John&Yoko got biting reviews about the concert. I think in part the bad reviews stemmed from the 'Sometime In New York City' material performed, but I think the Hitler quote really rubbed people the wrong way. I was offended by it and I wish they hadn't done it. So that whole thing Yoko read out was a quote by Adolf Hitler. What were J&Y trying to prove with that ? She even tried to read it in time with the beat of the music. I don't like John's political period. I could have tolerated if he didn't allow it into his music but it just proved to me that politics and music just don't mix that way. And those hard hats made them all look like construction workers. Very goofy.
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Post by nine on Oct 13, 2010 7:15:00 GMT -5
What ABC showed was an edited version of the evening show, which included some of the performances by Stevie Wonder, Roberta Flack and Sha Na Na. If Yoko ever issues a DVD of the One To One concert it's hopeful that she'll include both the afternoon and evening performances with highlights of the other performers from those shows. The part of the 'Live In NYC' video I really hate is when Yoko reads the quote from Adolf Hitler, which preceded their performance of 'Give Peace A Chance', as if that was something profound. It was naive, tasteless and offensive. (The ABC broadcast did not include the quote.) The One to One concerts were held to raise awareness of the Willowbrook tragedy of the mistreatment of mentally handicapped persons. Besides the Jews, Hitler's 'Final Solution' also included the mentally challenged among the victims. I guess John&Yoko didn't fully think that out. The equivalent would have been if someone solemnly read a quote by Osama Bin Laden at the Concert for New York City. It was interesting for me to note that when I viewed the film of 'LennoNYC' on Thursday at the Paley Center, when it came to the same sequence there was a narration talk-over the end of the Hitler quote just before John&Yoko launched into 'Give Peace A Chance'. According to the film, John&Yoko got biting reviews about the concert. I think in part the bad reviews stemmed from the 'Sometime In New York City' material performed, but I think the Hitler quote really rubbed people the wrong way. I was offended by it and I wish they hadn't done it. So that whole thing Yoko read out was a quote by Adolf Hitler. What were J&Y trying to prove with that ? She even tried to read it in time with the beat of the music. I don't like John's political period. I could have tolerated if he didn't allow it into his music but it just proved to me that politics and music just don't mix that way. And those hard hats made them all look like construction workers. Very goofy. I think John was the only one of The Fabs who never held down a job other than a musician. He would not have had a clue. I don't mind him commenting in interview about the plight of land rights for gay whales but when it enters his songs.... Perhaps Nutopian National Anthem was his admission that he ought to shut up.
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Post by mikev on Oct 13, 2010 10:40:55 GMT -5
This is the version of the One To One concerts that Yoko released in the '80's, and it's the afternoon show which was inferior to the later evening show. Even Lennon apologizes by saying "Welcome to the rehearsal!" I believe we've had this discussion before, but the released version has different performances, doesn't it? All you have to do is check the microphone, which varies from shot to shot. Sometime there's a filter on it, sometimes not. If they used "the best" from the two shows, I am baffled, because Imagine from the evening to me sounded so much better, and the Come Together with the "Stop the War" chant as released on Anthology is also superior. I haven't compared the other ones, but i think the Anthology cuts were better musically as well as mix wise.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 13, 2010 12:55:20 GMT -5
I believe we've had this discussion before, but the released version has different performances, doesn't it? All you have to do is check the microphone, which varies from shot to shot. Sometime there's a filter on it, sometimes not. If they used "the best" from the two shows, I am baffled, because Imagine from the evening to me sounded so much better, and the Come Together with the "Stop the War" chant as released on Anthology is also superior. I haven't compared the other ones, but i think the Anthology cuts were better musically as well as mix wise. The night "Instant Karma" is better, where John yells "Vote!" I saw a videotape of the ABC show at my first Beatlefest in 1979 and I thought that it was the greatest thing I ever saw! I was so pumped to see John Lennon live. No YouTube back then. I bought on the spot the vinyl boot Teddy Boy with most of the evening show marred by some abbreviated or really muddy songs. I'm glad that a version was released in 1986 evening though it was the "matinee." A deluxe version with both shows would be superb! I bet it is all on film somewhere.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 13, 2010 14:19:04 GMT -5
May I ask why some ignore the fact that the visual clips (at least) are from two separate perfromances in that video? I recall this happening before when we discussed this. But please refresh my memory - what was the consensus of what they did with that release?
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Post by vectisfabber on Oct 13, 2010 19:01:08 GMT -5
Incidentally - if they released a DVD with both shows, I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
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Post by Panther on Oct 13, 2010 21:16:55 GMT -5
I agree with the emerging consensus that these One-To-One Concerts were pretty crap. I actually prefer the afternoon performances of a couple of the songs ("Come Together", for one), but anyway overall it rates very weakly in terms of live performances.
By chance, one of my instructors showed our class the original Geraldo Rivera Willowbrook documentary footage two weeks ago, which was interesting. Yoko's and John's hearts were in the right place, but the band was pretty bad and the execution was pretty awful.
From today's sanitized, corporate-everything music climate, it's refreshing to see some crazy longhairs on stage and just running through the set, warts (and there were a lot of them) and all. But from a historical perspective, you wonder why the hell they didn't at least do a small-scale 'warm up' gig or something one or two days before this...
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 13, 2010 21:42:15 GMT -5
I admit that Elephant's Memory were pretty bad at this concert and Yoko had her electric piano turned off(so it was claimed)but John is raw and powerful. The man is so charismatic on stage. Both performances of "Mother" were powerful. The night version of "Cold Turkey" is amazing as was John's mesmerizing, agonizing, "We make her paint her face and dance...dance, dance dance!" on "Woman Is The Nigger Of The World."
John could never and would never give us the super slick concerts like Paul does but most of us wouldn't want that from John. Lennon was raw power and raw emotion on stage, warts and all. Rock and roll is best raw in my opinion, as long as it is honest. John was that at "One-To-One."
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Post by OldFred on Oct 13, 2010 21:58:35 GMT -5
My thoughts on the One To One concerts is that John&Yoko were trying to top George's Bangladesh concerts from the previous year and fell flat on their faces. George had invited John & Paul to participate. Paul declined because of all the legal stuff that was going on with the Beatles and the feeling was that it would have appeared hypocritical to put on a false united front. John was going to do it if Yoko was going to be a part of it too, but George would have none of it. He wanted the concert to focus on raising money for the Bangladesh tragedy and not be a platform for any kind of egotistic, avant garde nonsense J&Y may have had in mind. One to One was John&Yoko's stab at a Bangladesh-type show, and it flopped.
In a nutshell:
George 'Bangladesh': No Ego = Success
John&Yoko 'One To One': Ego Overflow = Flop
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 13, 2010 22:04:13 GMT -5
Wow, this discussion caused me to throw on Disc 2 from Lennon Anthology and I am blown away! "Woman Is The Nigger Of The World," "It's So Hard" and "Come Together" are all from "Show 2" and John really belts out all three!
I am ashamed to admit that I had rather skipped over these three songs all these years assuming that they were from Live In New York City. But why should I have thought that, the whole LA after all was alternate takes or demos or rare live performances. Duh! Better late than never to savor these "night" performances. I had only had them on the aforementioned Teddy Boy vinyl boot which sounded like crap.
I now really hope that the unedited night show is released on dvd or both shows as discussed above.
P.S. Whoa, the LA version of "One Day At A Time" where John sings in his regular voice is pretty damn good! I had forgotten this one. LA is pretty freaking cool as a comp!
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Post by nine on Oct 14, 2010 4:56:52 GMT -5
I agree with the emerging consensus that these One-To-One Concerts were pretty crap. I actually prefer the afternoon performances of a couple of the songs ("Come Together", for one), but anyway overall it rates very weakly in terms of live performances. By chance, one of my instructors showed our class the original Geraldo Rivera Willowbrook documentary footage two weeks ago, which was interesting. Yoko's and John's hearts were in the right place, but the band was pretty bad and the execution was pretty awful. From today's sanitized, corporate-everything music climate, it's refreshing to see some crazy longhairs on stage and just running through the set, warts (and there were a lot of them) and all. But from a historical perspective, you wonder why the hell they didn't at least do a small-scale 'warm up' gig or something one or two days before this... I don't think Elephant's Memory Band helped.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 14, 2010 6:19:57 GMT -5
I agree with the emerging consensus that these One-To-One Concerts were pretty crap. I actually prefer the afternoon performances of a couple of the songs ("Come Together", for one), but anyway overall it rates very weakly in terms of live performances. By chance, one of my instructors showed our class the original Geraldo Rivera Willowbrook documentary footage two weeks ago, which was interesting. Yoko's and John's hearts were in the right place, but the band was pretty bad and the execution was pretty awful. From today's sanitized, corporate-everything music climate, it's refreshing to see some crazy longhairs on stage and just running through the set, warts (and there were a lot of them) and all. But from a historical perspective, you wonder why the hell they didn't at least do a small-scale 'warm up' gig or something one or two days before this... I don't think Elephant's Memory Band helped. Agree. At the time they weren't a polished band. John and Spector were able to fix what they could musically in the studio for the 'Sometime In New York City' album. But live, that's a whole different animal.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 14, 2010 7:05:17 GMT -5
My thoughts on the One To One concerts is that John&Yoko were trying to top George's Bangladesh concerts from the previous year and fell flat on their faces. George had invited John & Paul to participate. Paul declined because of all the legal stuff that was going on with the Beatles and the feeling was that it would have appeared hypocritical to put on a false united front. John was going to do it if Yoko was going to be a part of it too, but George would have none of it. He wanted the concert to focus on raising money for the Bangladesh tragedy and not be a platform for any kind of egotistic, avant garde nonsense J&Y may have had in mind. One to One was John&Yoko's stab at a Bangladesh-type show, and it flopped. In a nutshell: George 'Bangladesh': No Ego = Success John&Yoko 'One To One': Ego Overflow = Flop I think you're being way too cynical there OldFred. J&Y organised a concert for retarded kids for a start, how could anyone use retarded kids just to get some free exposure, that's a low act and I don't think J&Y would stoop that low. Also, they didn't ask any superstar friends to join them and make it a bigger event, if they did then I would be suspicious too. Thirdly, they used Elephant's Memory Band and played songs off SINYC when John could have easily played some Beatles songs and billed it as a big event. It was just a benefit concert. Some rare John footage below.
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Post by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 7:12:52 GMT -5
Wow, this discussion caused me to throw on Disc 2 from Lennon Anthology and I am blown away! "Woman Is The Nigger Of The World," "It's So Hard" and "Come Together" are all from "Show 2" and John really belts out all three! I am ashamed to admit that I had rather skipped over these three songs all these years assuming that they were from Live In New York City. But why should I have thought that, the whole LA after all was alternate takes or demos or rare live performances. Duh! Better late than never to savor these "night" performances. I had only had them on the aforementioned Teddy Boy vinyl boot which sounded like crap. I now really hope that the unedited night show is released on dvd or both shows as discussed above. P.S. Whoa, the LA version of "One Day At A Time" where John sings in his regular voice is pretty damn good! I had forgotten this one. LA is pretty freaking cool as a comp! I did the same thing yesterday- pulled up my i-tunes library and played the Come Together and It's So Hard back to back versions. He really is belting out the songs in the evening show and the music is generally tighter. The mix is also superior as I mentioned earlier. I can't find my Imagine recording from the PM show nor can I find it on You Tube. I had it on cassette off the radio (FM stereo recordings are okay, but comparable to a 128 kbps MP-3), and I'm pretty certain I made a real audio version which I donated to the old Beatle Bootleg Central. But alas- can't find any trace. Perhaps I only "________" it.
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Post by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 7:16:36 GMT -5
May I ask why some ignore the fact that the visual clips (at least) are from two separate perfromances in that video? I recall this happening before when we discussed this. But please refresh my memory - what was the consensus of what they did with that release? I didn't ignore it- you made me listen to the songs back to back. However I think as you mentioned here- maybe they just edited video footage. It is much harder to edit different versions of live songs even if tracked. Maybe ABC owns the rights to the performance of the evening show?
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Post by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 7:20:58 GMT -5
I also double checked the JL Anthology liner notes- John did invite Paul and Linda to join them. Obviously we know Paul didn't show up. Since they were talking again at that point I have to wonder if Paul to this day regrets saying no.
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Post by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 12:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by OldFred on Oct 14, 2010 14:33:04 GMT -5
My thoughts on the One To One concerts is that John&Yoko were trying to top George's Bangladesh concerts from the previous year and fell flat on their faces. George had invited John & Paul to participate. Paul declined because of all the legal stuff that was going on with the Beatles and the feeling was that it would have appeared hypocritical to put on a false united front. John was going to do it if Yoko was going to be a part of it too, but George would have none of it. He wanted the concert to focus on raising money for the Bangladesh tragedy and not be a platform for any kind of egotistic, avant garde nonsense J&Y may have had in mind. One to One was John&Yoko's stab at a Bangladesh-type show, and it flopped. In a nutshell: George 'Bangladesh': No Ego = Success John&Yoko 'One To One': Ego Overflow = Flop I think you're being way too cynical there OldFred. J&Y organised a concert for retarded kids for a start, how could anyone use retarded kids just to get some free exposure, that's a low act and I don't think J&Y would stoop that low. Also, they didn't ask any superstar friends to join them and make it a bigger event, if they did then I would be suspicious too. Thirdly, they used Elephant's Memory Band and played songs off SINYC when John could have easily played some Beatles songs and billed it as a big event. It was just a benefit concert. Some rare John footage below. John&Yoko weren't the only performers at the One To One Concerts. Other acts included Stevie Wonder, Roberta Flack and Sha Na Na with Geraldo Rivera as the emcee. The difference between Bangladesh and One To One is that while the former had all the musicians onstage backing each other and taking solo turns, the performers for One To One each had separate sets with John&Yoko as the headliners. So, J&Y were put on a separate and higher plane than the other performers, though I would say that Stevie Wonder was perhaps closest to John as an equal. It would have been great if they had performed a number or two together, definitely would have pre-dated Wonder's work with Paul. The only time all the performers were on the same stage together was during the 'Give Peace A Chance' finale. John&Yoko's intentions to aid the mentally challenged may have been noble, but the overtly political nature of J&Y's material marginalized the reason why the concerts were held in the first place. There was confusion on whether this was a charity concert or a political rally. George was better able to balance the political aspects of the Bangladesh shows with the music without constantly bludgeoning the audience on the head with the message. The purpose of the Bangladesh concerts was to raise awareness of the tragedy and money to help the refugees, and to a point, George succeeded with a classic film and album. In contrast, ABC released an edited version of the One to One concert in their late night concert series, and that used the superior evening performance, while the official release of One To One didn't see the light of day till 1986, and that was the inferior afternoon show. Again, John&Yoko's intentions were good. But the delivery left much to be desired.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 14, 2010 20:49:47 GMT -5
For the heck of it I slipped in the copy I have of the ABC special of the One To One concert and watched the whole thing from the beginning. Even though the performances by Stevie Wonder, Sha Na Na and Roberta Flack are abbreviated, they are very solid. Each of the other acts had excellent backing bands who played competently and professionally. The special only featured one song by Stevie Wonder, 'Superstition', which reminded me of Billy Preston's star turn of 'That's The Way God Planned It' from the Bangladesh concert. It made me wish that more of Wonder's set was featured. It also emphasized the missed opportunity of Lennon and Wonder doing a couple of songs together, it would have been an incredibly historic moment. Sha Na Na were goofy and fun, doing faithful versions of 50's classics. The ABC special gave their set a lot more time than Wonder or Flack, which is surprising, but they were still very enjoyable. Roberta Flack sang beautifully and her performance was smart and classy. Her rendition of 'There's A Place For Us' from 'West Side Story' was very moving and appropriate for what the concert represented. While the special featured a shorter edit of the evening performance, it still emphasized how much more superior it is to the afternoon show found on the 'Live In NYC' video. John performs a version of 'Cold Turkey' that sends shivers down the spine by the force of it's intensity. The songs featured in the ABC special have much more punch than the afternoon show since even John considered the first show 'the rehearsal'. Elephant's Memory played much better for the evening show and I really enjoyed their performance, which was much more assured and lively. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the ABC special wisely bypasses the 'Hitler' intro to 'Give Peace A Chance' and goes right into the song, which is longer in the special than on 'Live In NYC' and features the extended performances of Stevie Wonder, Roberta Flack, Sha Na Na and others who crowd the stage and join in on the finale. (Among those who join John & Yoko are Phil Spector, Allen Ginsberg and David Peel, the latter two unfortunately found open mikes. ) Watching the ABC version of the One To One concert renews my wish that one day Yoko decides to officially release both the afternoon and evening shows in a special DVD edition of the shows. Why she didn't do it for John's 70th birthday is puzzling.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 14, 2010 20:53:52 GMT -5
Watching the ABC version of the One To One concert renews my wish that one day Yoko decides to officially release both the afternoon and evening shows in a special DVD edition of the shows. Why she didn't do it for John's 70th birthday is puzzling. Agreed. Maybe it's on the list for next year. Hope so.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 14, 2010 23:26:55 GMT -5
I also double checked the JL Anthology liner notes- John did invite Paul and Linda to join them. Obviously we know Paul didn't show up. Since they were talking again at that point I have to wonder if Paul to this day regrets saying no. Wonder why Linda didn't go, with or without Paul... JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 15, 2010 5:31:19 GMT -5
Watching the ABC version of the One To One concert renews my wish that one day Yoko decides to officially release both the afternoon and evening shows in a special DVD edition of the shows. Why she didn't do it for John's 70th birthday is puzzling. For one thing, maybe Yoko isn't even thinking about it. While you've voiced a wish to have both shows, maybe it's not even on her radar. How do we know both shows aren't tied up with rights or problems? Maybe Yoko doesn't even own the material outright? Why did the old videotape from 1986 contain clips from the two different performances? Maybe it was felt that some clips weren't usable and the best thing that could be constructed was a hybrid using a little of both? To me the real question is why the 1986 LIVE IN NYC was never issued on DVD.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 15, 2010 6:44:28 GMT -5
Why did the old videotape from 1986 contain clips from the two different performances? Maybe it was felt that some clips weren't usable and the best thing that could be constructed was a hybrid using a little of both? You just answered your own question, Joe. What's seen in the video is a visual edit and doesn't necessarily have to be the same performance of a particular song. George did this with the Bangladesh movie. Not all the cameras captured everything that was happening on the stage and George and the director had to cheat a little. The opening number 'Wah Wah' is a good example in that not all of the song was captured on film, so bits from the afternoon and evening shows that matched the performance were edited in, creating a hybrid version. Note that some of the shots are long shots of the stage, so they could have been playing anything and you wouldn't have known the difference. The Beatles did this themselves with the 'Lady Madonna' video, which is actually footage of the 'Hey Bulldog' sessions.
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Post by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 7:09:52 GMT -5
Why did the old videotape from 1986 contain clips from the two different performances? Maybe it was felt that some clips weren't usable and the best thing that could be constructed was a hybrid using a little of both? You just answered your own question, Joe. What's seen in the video is a visual edit and doesn't necessarily have to be the same performance of a particular song. George did this with the Bangladesh movie. Not all the cameras captured everything that was happening on the stage and George and the director had to cheat a little. The opening number 'Wah Wah' is a good example in that not all of the song was captured on film, so bits from the afternoon and evening shows that matched the performance were edited in, creating a hybrid version. Note that some of the shots are long shots of the stage, so they could have been playing anything and you wouldn't have known the difference. The Beatles did this themselves with the 'Lady Madonna' video, which is actually footage of the 'Hey Bulldog' sessions. During the pre-release publicity for the Yellow Submarine DVD, I posted on some web pages that it would be a great idea if Apple took the film footage from the Lady Madonna video and created a real performance video for Hey Bulldog. I was pleasantly pleased a few months later when ABC aired the video, then puzzled why it was left off the DVD package.
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