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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 29, 2011 23:18:45 GMT -5
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Post by stavros on Jul 30, 2011 15:35:03 GMT -5
Fox News is considered a comedy channel here in the UK by a lot of people. This is the channel that announced "Obama Bin Laden is dead" on it's news ticker.
I don't think John Lennon had any strong religious beliefs at all. When he said the Beatles were more popular than Christ he was probably right and he also commented on the idealistic vision of no religion in his most famous solo song "Imagine". The story is rubbish.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 30, 2011 19:10:23 GMT -5
Fox News is considered a comedy channel here in the UK by a lot of people. This is the channel that announced "Obama Bin Laden is dead" on it's news ticker. A lot of people take it very seriously over here. VERY seriously. Don't get me started on Fox News. You'll be sorry.
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Post by Panther on Jul 31, 2011 1:50:55 GMT -5
What's disturbing to me about The United States since 2001 or so isn't that there are so many stupid people. That's sort of a given, and there are countless stupid people here in Canada and in all countries around the world.
What's disturbing about the USA -- and this, I think, is a bit different from those other countries -- is the stupid people have such an enormous political influence on the government and are taken so seriously as a political force.
Anyway, drill baby drill !
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 19, 2011 18:58:18 GMT -5
"What's disturbing about the USA -- and this, I think, is a bit different from those other countries -- is the stupid people have such an enormous political influence on the government and are taken so seriously as a political force."
That's because they vote.
I blame it on the Liberals in the '70s+ who did their big push to get people to register to vote. "We're not going to tell you who to vote for, we're just going to tell you to vote." Bad move.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 19, 2011 20:27:14 GMT -5
I thought the Fox story amusing although I wonder if John did watch faithfully television evangelism? Not that he was a Christian but he was a television junkie and appreciated people who could mesmerize the masses: as he once did as a Beatle!
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Post by beatleroadie on Aug 19, 2011 21:42:51 GMT -5
John was always looking for "the answer" or the next guru to look up to or learn a trick from in his life. I would not be surprised at all if John went through a televangelist phase where he watched one of those preachers "religiously" on TV. How much stock he put in it all is anyone's guess. Maybe it was a passing curiosity in it and that's all. If John had a true conversion to Christianity during his house husband years I'm sure he would have mentioned it in one of his 1980 interviews.
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Post by gloi on Aug 20, 2011 2:19:08 GMT -5
Fox News / national Enquirer, is there any difference?
All I can think of is:
You say you found Jesus Well, Christ, that's great and he's the only one You say you just found Buddah And he's sittin' on his ass in the sun! You say you found Mohammed And he's on a bloody carpet facin' the East! You say you found Krishna With a bald head dancin' in the streets! (Christ, lad, you're going out yer bleedin' head!)
You've got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do for you (That's right, lad, you better get that straight through your facking head!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 6:35:42 GMT -5
Whats the most disturbing about the USA is it killed Lennon....
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Post by sayne on Aug 20, 2011 9:33:38 GMT -5
. . . I blame it on the Liberals in the '70s+ who did their big push to get people to register to vote. "We're not going to tell you who to vote for, we're just going to tell you to vote." Bad move. . . . and what do you blame the Conservatives for doing? Your explanation is way too simple. Getting people to register has not really translated to getting people to actually voting. I think that less than half of people of voting can age are registered and of those, just over half actually do vote - in a national election. In simply state or local elections, you all know it is way way less. Sure, there are people who should not be voting. But, one must also put on the table the quality of the candidates, the dominance of money in influencing elections, the disincentives that dissuade people from wanting to run for an office, etc. I don't believe that just because a person is of marginal education they cannot make a reasonable elective choice. I'm not a doctor, but I can tell when someone looks sick. My sense is that people only question the intelligence of voters when their guy/gal loses an election. I doubt if the average intelligence of voters was higher before those "wascarry Wiberals" mucked things up for democracy. I seem to recall some pretty lousy pre-1970 politicians.
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Post by sayne on Aug 20, 2011 9:47:42 GMT -5
Whats the most disturbing about the USA is it killed Lennon.... I've always thought of John as constantly struggling between various dichotomies. He was a tough guy that was soft inside. He was aggressive, but capable of great caring and sensitivity. He was for revolution, but largely a pacifist. He would cuff you or run away from a fight. He rocked, but wrote some very beautiful mellow songs. With this in mind, I think he struggled with his religiousity. He wanted to believe in something, but never found what he was looking for. I noticed that in a song in either Walls and Bridges or Mind Games (I can't remember which album or the name of the song) he sings something like, "Every day I thank the lord and lady." I always felt like he wanted to say he believed in God, but couldn't actually come out and say if, for whatever reason, so he coupled "lord" with "lady" in order to obfuscate what he really believed. Maybe he believed, but thought that believing was "uncool." I suppose he was right if you look at all those uber-religious people on TV. Who wants to be part of THAT tribe?
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Post by mikev on Aug 20, 2011 12:09:41 GMT -5
Whats the most disturbing about the USA is it killed Lennon.... I've always thought of John as constantly struggling between various dichotomies. He was a tough guy that was soft inside. He was aggressive, but capable of great caring and sensitivity. He was for revolution, but largely a pacifist. He would cuff you or run away from a fight. He rocked, but wrote some very beautiful mellow songs. With this in mind, I think he struggled with his religiousity. He wanted to believe in something, but never found what he was looking for. I noticed that in a song in either Walls and Bridges or Mind Games (I can't remember which album or the name of the song) he sings something like, "Every day I thank the lord and lady." I always felt like he wanted to say he believed in God, but couldn't actually come out and say if, for whatever reason, so he coupled "lord" with "lady" in order to obfuscate what he really believed. Maybe he believed, but thought that believing was "uncool." I suppose he was right if you look at all those uber-religious people on TV. Who wants to be part of THAT tribe? One of John's last verses ever was "God bless our love". I think he believed in a higher intelligence.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 20, 2011 13:02:25 GMT -5
Fox News / national Enquirer, is there any difference? All I can think of is: You say you found Jesus Well, Christ, that's great and he's the only one You say you just found Buddah And he's sittin' on his ass in the sun! You say you found Mohammed And he's on a bloody carpet facin' the East! You say you found Krishna With a bald head dancin' in the streets! (Christ, lad, you're going out yer bleedin' head!) You've got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do for you (That's right, lad, you better get that straight through your facking head!) Today a specific line in these lyrics would get the writer killed by certain extremists. Poor David Letterman is a goner and I am not joking about that. A price has been put on his head and he is increasing security big time at the old Ed Sullivan Theater.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 20, 2011 18:55:28 GMT -5
". . . and what do you blame the Conservatives for doing?" They capitalized on an ignorant voting public, with a flood of mis-imformation and imflamatory statements.
"Government isn't the solution to the problems, government is the problem". That's the worst thing any president has ever said. It sounds good to the uninformed. "Yeah, a man for the people." But what he was really talking about was the government stepping out of the way and letting big business do whatever it wanted regardless of the outcome and detriment to society and the environment.
"the Liberals in the '70s+ who did their big push to get people to register to vote. "We're not going to tell you who to vote for, we're just going to tell you to vote." Bad move."
No, actually the above was just a joke. I usually use it leading up to a Bush bash.
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Post by lowbasso on Aug 20, 2011 21:38:26 GMT -5
Whats the most disturbing about the USA is it killed Lennon.... The USA didn't "kill" Lennon. A sick individual with a gun and visions of becoming infamous for the act killed John. It happened in NYC because John happened to live there at the time. It could have happened in the UK or anywhere else this animal would have gone to find John.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 20, 2011 21:59:04 GMT -5
Where was George attacked?
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Post by sayne on Aug 21, 2011 0:36:00 GMT -5
One of John's last verses ever was "God bless our love". I think he believed in a higher intelligence. I think this line shows how he went back and forth. If he had continued writing after Grow Old With Me, he probably would have written another song or given another interview questioning the existence of a man in the heavens.
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Post by sayne on Aug 21, 2011 0:46:37 GMT -5
. . . the Liberals in the '70s+ who did their big push to get people to register to vote . . . Maybe it was a good idea that went bad. Or, maybe a good idea that was executed badly. Maybe it was a good deed that has gotten punished. I do not see any evidence that getting people to register has led to a dumber electorate. What I will agree with is that once the shift was made in the late 1800s of Republican's becoming the conservatives, it has never been in their interest to make it easier for more people to vote. Facts do show that Republicans often try to disenfranchise people. They are doing it today.
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Post by mikev on Aug 21, 2011 8:10:00 GMT -5
One of John's last verses ever was "God bless our love". I think he believed in a higher intelligence. I think this line shows how he went back and forth. If he had continued writing after Grow Old With Me, he probably would have written another song or given another interview questioning the existence of a man in the heavens. I'm just saying I think Lennon was more spiritual than he would ever admit- but that does NOT make him a religious man.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Aug 21, 2011 13:10:22 GMT -5
. . . the Liberals in the '70s+ who did their big push to get people to register to vote . . . Facts do show that Republicans often try to disenfranchise people. They are doing it today. Sayne, can you elaborate on the "facts"?
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Aug 27, 2011 18:49:30 GMT -5
Somehow John Lennon has become a born-again christian conservative since his death.
Typical conservative revisionism.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 27, 2011 21:07:28 GMT -5
Somehow John Lennon has become a born-again christian conservative since his death. Typical conservative revisionism. I didn't think you could wait until you die to find Jesus. That works for me.
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Post by acebackwords on Aug 29, 2011 13:52:10 GMT -5
According to the book Nowhere Man, the one based on John's journals -- John went through a Christian Born Again conversion for a couple of weeks during his Dakota years. He was watching one of those TV evangelist shows -- Pat Robertson I think -- and he realized that Jesus was the only way and that all of Yoko's occult stuff was the work of Satan. Yoko went along with it for a couple of weeks, dutifully watching the TV Christian shows on the couch with John (and probably trying not to vomit every time John said "Praise the Lord!") and knowing she'd just have to wait it out before John got bored with his latest Next Big Thing and went on to something else. Which is exactly what he did.
I do feel that John Lennon's spirituality is a fascinating subject, and he was all over the map (as well as thinking he was Jesus Christ returned to earth at one point -- musta' been some good acid). Lennon was widely read on the subject of religion, occult, philosophy, and therapies (ancient history and anything about the ocean were other favorite subjects). In his last years he was dabbling in kundalini yoga and listening to a lot of Alan Watts tapes on Eastern mysticism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 19:53:30 GMT -5
Whats the most disturbing about the USA is it killed Lennon.... The USA didn't "kill" Lennon. A sick individual with a gun and visions of becoming infamous for the act killed John. It happened in NYC because John happened to live there at the time. It could have happened in the UK or anywhere else this animal would have gone to find John. It could have...yes...but it didn't...there has to be some price for liberal gun laws.....they haven't really progressed from the old cowboy days where they all had gun belts and 6 shooters...
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 30, 2011 21:40:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Yoko must have left her piece in her other purse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 0:48:59 GMT -5
Yeah, Yoko must have left her piece in her other purse. That wasn't a piece in her silk purse...it was a lasso...and it roped him right in...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 31, 2011 10:16:41 GMT -5
Yeah, Yoko must have left her piece in her other purse. That wasn't a piece in her silk purse...it was a lasso...and it roped him right in... John dove in there quite willingly. No lasso required.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 15:27:42 GMT -5
That wasn't a piece in her silk purse...it was a lasso...and it roped him right in... John dove in there quite willingly. No lasso required. ;D ;D ;D
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