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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 1, 2011 17:05:38 GMT -5
See article below. Yes this relates to the Beatles. Is this what we got out of 60s radicalism? Were the Beatles a part of this? Do you believe in 1)American exceptionalism, capitalism, the free market, individual responsibiltiy and the importance of the business sector? or 2) Do you view American exceptionalism as a myth or even distructive, capitalism and corporations as exploitive and evil and sub-groups (hyphenated-Americans) as more relevant than those who see themselves as Americans first above a sub-grouping heading? I think John would have been with No. 1 above despite some of his early political view which he later dismissed as naive. By SHELBY STEELE WSJ (Sept. 1,2011) If I've heard it once, I've heard it a hundred times: President Obama is destroying the country. Some say this destructiveness is intended; most say it is inadvertent, an outgrowth of inexperience, ideological wrong-headedness and an oddly undefined character. Indeed, on the matter of Mr. Obama's character, today's left now sounds like the right of three years ago. They have begun to see through the man and are surprised at how little is there. (To read the rest of the article, click here: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576532623176115558.html?mod=opinion_newsreel) (Note to everyone from Steve: Please do not copy and paste lengthy articles. An excerpt with a link is preferred for copyright reasons. Thanks.)RTP: I held back tears as President Obama was inaugurated and older black folks talked about how they thought they would never live to see a black man elected President. I was willing to give him a solid chance. But I don't know what to think now. It has only to do with objection to his policies.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 1, 2011 19:25:51 GMT -5
Well, personally, I thought Gordon Blair was a waste of space until Nick Cameron came along and now I think he's a waste of space too.
What? There's a rest of the world out there? Blimey. Them Beatles never told us about that (except in Honey Pie).
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 1, 2011 20:24:39 GMT -5
This is going elsewhere RTP. The Beatles connection is extremely tenuous.
This is political and I'll let Steve decide its ultimate fate.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 1, 2011 23:58:52 GMT -5
Thanks for moving the thread, John. I agree ... this is where it belongs and where it will stay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 2:53:31 GMT -5
Well, personally, I thought Gordon Blair was a waste of space until Nick Cameron came along and now I think he's a waste of space too. Nicely done...kicked two birds with one swipe
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Post by wooltonian on Sept 2, 2011 5:06:27 GMT -5
Well, personally, I thought Gordon Blair was a waste of space until Nick Cameron came along and now I think he's a waste of space too. What? There's a rest of the world out there? Blimey. Them Beatles never told us about that (except in Honey Pie). That Nick Cameron's OK. It's his evil half-brother David Clegg that I can't abide.
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Post by scousette on Sept 2, 2011 13:47:18 GMT -5
Well, personally, I thought Gordon Blair was a waste of space until Nick Cameron came along and now I think he's a waste of space too. What? There's a rest of the world out there? Blimey. Them Beatles never told us about that (except in Honey Pie). That Nick Cameron's OK. It's his evil half-brother David Clegg that I can't abide. Hee!
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Post by sayne on Sept 3, 2011 11:54:45 GMT -5
It began with the pussification of American youth. When coming in 10th out of 10 in a fucking race got you a "10th best" award.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 5, 2011 11:11:05 GMT -5
It began with the pussification of American youth. When coming in 10th out of 10 in a fucking race got you a "10th best" award. You're right. We are on the road to becoming a nation of whimps too afraid to offend anyone (politically correct) and too afraid to even defend ourselves when attacked--too afraid to call a terrorist a terrorist and too afraid to call out people when they are not living up to their potential. Look how Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia was treated just for telling the truth. But it isn't just the black youth, its every race that has started down the wrong path. Maybe the previous generations who had it so tough were too extreme in insisting that their children would have it easy. That was a turning point that ended with unintended consequences. I think we are slowly losing our spiritual connection and we are all the worse for it.
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Post by sayne on Sept 5, 2011 14:20:55 GMT -5
. . . Maybe the previous generations who had it so tough were too extreme in insisting that their children would have it easy. That was a turning point that ended with unintended consequences . . . Actually, I think it was the Baby Boomer generation that messed up in the raising of kids. Here's how I see it. The generations before WW II by and large had no feeling of deserving anything. They felt that if you worked hard, maybe if you were lucky, good things would come to you or your family. The Boomers, on the other hand, did have a sense of entitlement, but they wanted the older generation to get out of the way so they could go out and get it. However, their children and grandchildren generally have that same sense of entitlement, but they are waiting for someone to give it to them. Here's an example. When I was a kid, my generation had eyes on the old car in the garage or eagerly waited for (in my case) that Ford Pinto to get handed down to us. We were prepared to have to fix it up, gas it up, insurance it up, and so on. Sure, our parents might help, but it was all our responsibility. Today, kids expect their first car to be a Mercedes or something. How many kids today would be happy with a 1980s Ford Escort? Man, I would have taken a 1960s Corvair any day. Just my view.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 7, 2011 12:22:41 GMT -5
. . . Maybe the previous generations who had it so tough were too extreme in insisting that their children would have it easy. That was a turning point that ended with unintended consequences . . . Actually, I think it was the Baby Boomer generation that messed up in the raising of kids. Here's how I see it. The generations before WW II by and large had no feeling of deserving anything. They felt that if you worked hard, maybe if you were lucky, good things would come to you or your family. The Boomers, on the other hand, did have a sense of entitlement, but they wanted the older generation to get out of the way so they could go out and get it. However, their children and grandchildren generally have that same sense of entitlement, but they are waiting for someone to give it to them. Here's an example. When I was a kid, my generation had eyes on the old car in the garage or eagerly waited for (in my case) that Ford Pinto to get handed down to us. We were prepared to have to fix it up, gas it up, insurance it up, and so on. Sure, our parents might help, but it was all our responsibility. Today, kids expect their first car to be a Mercedes or something. How many kids today would be happy with a 1980s Ford Escort? Man, I would have taken a 1960s Corvair any day. Just my view. You hit the nail on the head. This sense of entitlement is killing this country and Europe. Also diversity is not a strength. Its a weakness because everyone is broken up into these little groups and that is how they see themselves--not as Americans first. Check out the book The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society (Revised and Enlarged Edition) by Arthur M. Schlesinger (Sep 17, 1998). Schlesinger was speechwrier for John Kennedy and a brilliant man. The classic image of the American nation — a melting pot in which differences of race, wealth, religion, and nationality are submerged in democracy — is being replaced by a view that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation. The cult of splitting our society into groups of victims that feel entitled to speceial treatment has been pressed too far and threatens to fragment our society. He examines the international dimension and the lessons of one polyglot country after another tearing itself apart or on the brink of doing so: among them the former Yugoslavia, Nigeria, even Canada. Closer to home, he finds troubling evidence that multiculturalism has gone awry here in the United States and threatens to split us into pieces.
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