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Post by mikev on Nov 8, 2011 13:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 8, 2011 15:21:52 GMT -5
Is that the night show which was by far the best? That was cool!
My God that was cool when Melanie Safka shares the mic with John for one moment at the end of the clip and John shakes his head like the old Beatles and seems to go "Woo!?"
Even Phil Spector is cool in that clip although I am amazed that he didn't brandish a pistol and aim it at the happy, dancing crowd.
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Post by mikev on Nov 9, 2011 19:05:10 GMT -5
I guess JSD you and I are the only ones who have never seen this clip.
This was so cool and I actually stumbled on it looking for an old Melanie tune.
I have not been able to track down any video footage of the PM concert even on Youtube, except this.
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Post by mikev on Nov 9, 2011 19:13:09 GMT -5
I guess JSD you and I are the only ones who have never seen this clip. This was so cool and I actually stumbled on it looking for an old Melanie tune. I have not been able to track down any video footage of the PM concert even on Youtube, except this. I stand corrected- now there are several clips of so so quality of the PM show, but I still maintain it was the superior performance.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 9, 2011 21:55:53 GMT -5
I guess JSD you and I are the only ones who have never seen this clip. Well, that makes 3 of us!
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Post by vectisfabber on Nov 10, 2011 6:13:20 GMT -5
I've never seen it.
Still haven't.
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Post by mikev on Nov 10, 2011 13:04:01 GMT -5
I've never seen it. Still haven't. no interest or can't open?
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Post by vectisfabber on Nov 10, 2011 19:13:52 GMT -5
No interest. Not a big fan of John's New York period, definitely not a fan of Melanie Safka.
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Post by scousette on Nov 10, 2011 23:41:04 GMT -5
No interest. Not a big fan of John's New York period, definitely not a fan of Melanie Safka. I'm not a fan of Melanie Safka and am not crazy about the NY stuff.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 10, 2011 23:54:04 GMT -5
No interest. Not a big fan of John's New York period, definitely not a fan of Melanie Safka. I'm not a fan of Melanie Safka and am not crazy about the NY stuff. You mean you don't like one of the great lyrics of our time: "Lay down, lay down, let it all down. Let your white birds smile up at the ones who stand and frown."
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 10, 2011 23:56:11 GMT -5
I wish they'd release that thing on DVD. I can't imagine why Yoko doesn't want it out.
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Post by mikev on Nov 11, 2011 8:23:26 GMT -5
I wish they'd release that thing on DVD. I can't imagine why Yoko doesn't want it out. I still have to wonder- maybe ABC owns the rights, but then so what? You have the bucks Yoko, dontcha?? Three PM tracks were on Anthology. While Come Together was one of them (with less messed up lyrics than the other show), Imagine was missing. I still think this was the best live version- and he did it live twice there, one acoustic at the Apollo, one on Mike Douglas or Dick Cavett, and one on guitar with full band back up at Lew Grade tribute. Any others?
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Nov 11, 2011 12:18:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry but that was embarassing if not pitiful. I have never see such a group of has been never were hangers on. The most iritating thing about the music is the horrible faux jazz sound that just ruins it for me. I am glad John dropped Elephant's Memory. What a lost period musically. How do you compare something like Woman is the Nigger of the World, for example, to anything John had done before that point?
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 11, 2011 12:29:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry but that was embarassing if not pitiful. I have never see such a group of has been never were hangers on. The most iritating thing about the music is the horrible faux jazz sound that just ruins it for me. I am glad John dropped Elephant's Memory. What a lost period musically. How do you compare something like Woman is the Nigger of the World, for example, to anything John had done before that point? You just don't like the peace message! I love that Melanie Safka song Steve quoted. I like the "Brand New Rollerskate" song too.
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Post by mikev on Nov 11, 2011 12:42:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry but that was embarassing if not pitiful. I have never see such a group of has been never were hangers on. The most iritating thing about the music is the horrible faux jazz sound that just ruins it for me. I am glad John dropped Elephant's Memory. What a lost period musically. How do you compare something like Woman is the Nigger of the World, for example, to anything John had done before that point? You just don't like the peace message! I love that Melanie Safka song Steve quoted. I like the "Brand New Rollerskate" song too. Those type of jam sessions usually are loose and off, sort of like Paul looking like a wounded chicken on crack when he sang at the HOF without an instrument. I always wondered what that song clip looked like live, as I heard it on Shaved Fish and heard Stevie Wonder in it. That was my fascination with it- could care less that Melanie was in it- just mentioned that looking for a lost song was how I stumbled onto this. But since- I have checked out the PM clips.
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Post by sayne on Nov 11, 2011 15:40:17 GMT -5
Never noticed before, but George is in bopping in the audience. Check out the 1:54 mark. ;D
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Post by scousette on Nov 11, 2011 15:53:45 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Melanie Safka and am not crazy about the NY stuff. You mean you don't like one of the great lyrics of our time: "Lay down, lay down, let it all down. Let your white birds smile up at the ones who stand and frown." No! And I've never liked Melanie's nails-on-a-chalkboard voice, either.
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 11, 2011 19:20:37 GMT -5
I like Melanie. By the way, the song was Brand New Key. I think My Sweet Lord may have been inspired a little by Lay Down (Candles in the WInd) as much as Oh Happy Day. Candles had the Edwin Hawkins Singers on it. They recorded Oh Happy Day.
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Post by mikev on Nov 11, 2011 19:27:47 GMT -5
Never noticed before, but George is in bopping in the audience. Check out the 1:54 mark. ;D I know you are only joking but that really really looks like George. I just don't think he would be moving around like that, but who knows? It is a fact that Lennon invited Paul to play.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 12, 2011 2:19:25 GMT -5
Man, Bowzer kicks major ass!
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Post by ursamajor on Nov 12, 2011 18:40:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry but that was embarassing if not pitiful. I have never see such a group of has been never were hangers on. The most iritating thing about the music is the horrible faux jazz sound that just ruins it for me. I am glad John dropped Elephant's Memory. What a lost period musically. How do you compare something like Woman is the Nigger of the World, for example, to anything John had done before that point? I have to agree that was embarassing, it just looked like a major hippie fest and I didn't like John wearing the army helmet.
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Post by Panther on Nov 13, 2011 20:24:29 GMT -5
it just looked like a major hippie fest and I didn't like John wearing the army helmet. It WAS a major hippie-fest -- that was the point... Nevertheless, John did clearly lose the plot once he hit the ground running in New York (some would say he never recovered it). In retrospect, I think what happened when they settled in NY is that Yoko was fired up with energy (she started making her own LPs and in fact recorded two -- I think -- in 1973 alone), whereas John was enervated and sort-of withdrew into the Dakota. The 1972 One-to-One concerts were probably a result of: -- Yoko selling John on the idea of it -- John's jealousy over The Concert for Bangladesh a year earlier -- maybe John's desperation to do something proactive after STINYC...? Does anyone know if the plan for the concert came before the reception of the album, or vice-versa? Would be interesting to know. -- Geraldo Rivera. Not to question John and Yoko's motives, but I doubt they had heard of the Willowbrook Institute before Geraldo told them about it. (Good cause, though, as that was a horrendous institution!)
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 14, 2011 8:19:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry but that was embarassing if not pitiful. I have never see such a group of has been never were hangers on. The most iritating thing about the music is the horrible faux jazz sound that just ruins it for me. I am glad John dropped Elephant's Memory. What a lost period musically. How do you compare something like Woman is the Nigger of the World, for example, to anything John had done before that point? I've never much liked the One To One showcase either, on the whole. Now - having said that - RTP, have you EVER... I mean EVER... trashed ANYTHING that your precious Paulie has done in the way you have torn into John like this? The answer, of course, is NO -- and why is that? And as for WOMAN IS THE NIGGER OF THE WORLD, I love it - it's great. How do I compare it to what John did before that point? It's a real artistic growth and quite an achievement. Because he has BALLS, something Paul never really had in abundance. It is a GROWTH for this period, John making statments about the mistreatment of women and their rights... not just making "Silly Love Songs" with "June/Spoon" lyrics. You can sit there with a straight face and find ways to praise BIP BOP or pointless trash like KREEN AKRORE, and then you have the nerve to poke at Lennon making a powerful statement like WITNOTW. Why don't you acknowledge that Paul's initial start into solo work with McCARTNEY and WILD LIFE was way "beneath him" as far as "what he had done before", like you do with John?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 14, 2011 8:20:45 GMT -5
Oh, and I love Melainie's song "Brand New Key". It was a perfect song to grow up with in 1971 at age 9. I still think it's cute.
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Post by mikev on Nov 14, 2011 9:16:42 GMT -5
unfortunately- the One to One concert and day rehearsal concert are really John's only concert - period.
Toronto was a brief set rehearsed on the plane finishing off a long list of various other rockers and everything else he did was 1-3 song sets with various back-up or just a guitar.
So, why not have the superior evening show released for prosperity?
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 14, 2011 11:16:35 GMT -5
unfortunately- the One to One concert and day rehearsal concert are really John's only concert - period. Toronto was a brief set rehearsed on the plane finishing off a long list of various other rockers and everything else he did was 1-3 song sets with various back-up or just a guitar. So, why not have the superior evening show released for prosperity? Agree! There are very powerful live moments in the night show. Highlights of the night show for me are the better "Come Together" and "Instant Karma" and the end of "Woman Is The Nigger Of The World" where John just goes nuts on the "Dance, dance, dance" and then "Cold Turkey" is out of this world in the final show. Very intense. The afternoon show is cool too but not as powerful. John had clearly gotten his sea-legs by the night show. His confidence level was sky-high.
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Post by ursamajor on Nov 14, 2011 16:20:33 GMT -5
it just looked like a major hippie fest and I didn't like John wearing the army helmet. It WAS a major hippie-fest -- that was the point... Nevertheless, John did clearly lose the plot once he hit the ground running in New York (some would say he never recovered it). In retrospect, I think what happened when they settled in NY is that Yoko was fired up with energy (she started making her own LPs and in fact recorded two -- I think -- in 1973 alone), whereas John was enervated and sort-of withdrew into the Dakota. The 1972 One-to-One concerts were probably a result of: -- Yoko selling John on the idea of it -- John's jealousy over The Concert for Bangladesh a year earlier -- maybe John's desperation to do something proactive after STINYC...? Does anyone know if the plan for the concert came before the reception of the album, or vice-versa? Would be interesting to know. -- Geraldo Rivera. Not to question John and Yoko's motives, but I doubt they had heard of the Willowbrook Institute before Geraldo told them about it. (Good cause, though, as that was a horrendous institution!) This is more to with me but I don't like seeing people acting all crazy like that on stage and that John is associated with that makes me cringe but the main point for me is that although the ideas and statements may have been commendable the fact is coming straight after POB and Imagine , I'm sure the expectation for the next John release in 1972 would have been high but SINYC turned out to be a failure commercially and artistically. At least this concert was done for a good cause and we have something to go back to if we want to catch a glimpse of John live. The Beatles used to hang out with the artistic elite in the 60s but when John moved to NY , everyone around him was either a parasite or hanger-on using him for his power as someone famous.
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