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Post by mikev on Sept 26, 2008 7:41:32 GMT -5
When Snoop Dogg gets in the Hall before the Monkees, we will really know the Hall really has absolutely nothing to do with Rock and Roll.
No, I guess we knew that when Madonna got in.
This years nominees: Run DMC (I just can't seem to reconcile rap with rock-n-roll), the Stooges (okay, but do Shemp, Joe and Curly Joe get in too?), Metallica (Kiss should be in before Metallica), Chic, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Jeff Beck(yes), War (are you kidding?), Bobby Womack, Wanda Jackson
How about some rock bands: Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, Chicago
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Post by OldFred on Sept 26, 2008 8:21:14 GMT -5
The RRHOF has always been a pet peeve with me because the nominating committee led by Jaan Wenner is so political. Look how long it took for the Dave Clark Five to finally get in, and tragically two of it's members, including Mike Smith, the voice of the DC5, passed away before the ceremony.
The criteria for getting a nomination into the Hall is that a group or artist must have released a record 25 years prior to being nominated. If they made any innovations or made major contributions to the art of Rock Music, then that's frosting on the cake. The Monkees are more than deserving of being inducted into the Hall. However, Wenner has always been public about his disdain for the Monkees, and as long as he chairs the nominating committee, they'll never get in. However, he keeps pushing for his pet favorite Chic for induction.
I agree that the Stooges and Little Anthony & The Imperials deserve their nominations. I even think Run DMC are deserving, after all, they did help to jump start Aerosmith as a functioning band again after they've been in limbo for a period of time and Run DMC have elements of Rock in their music and were a very influential band. Metallica, maybe.
I don't feel KISS deserve to be in, with the exception of Ace Frehley, they've become a joke. Under Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley, KISS are nothing more than a cash cow now, and Simmons especially doesn't even pretend to hide this fact. That KISS is now touring with only half the original line-up, with two replacements in the makeups of Ace and Peter Criss is an insult to the history of the band and to the fans.
I read a post on another board of a long time KISS fan who attended a recent show and started talking to a newer younger fan who was excited that he had finally seen Ace Frehley in concert and the older fan had to explain to the unconvinced younger one that he DIDN'T see Ace Frehley but someone else in his makeup.
As far as I'm concerned, Ace Frehley and Peter Criss are the only members of KISS with any integrity left.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame was a good idea at one time and there are lots of deserving artists in right now. There's also a lot like Madonna that don't belong there. Because of it's political nature, the RRHOF soured on me a long time ago.
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Post by mikev on Sept 26, 2008 8:44:22 GMT -5
I know all about Jan Weener-misspelling clearly intended.
I can see Run DMC before Madonna.
I did mean the original Kiss-not the impersonators. For any band that went through personnel changes, only the Bruce Johnstons, Dave Gilmours and Ron Woods should get in.
I'm generally okay with Metallica's nomination, though not a fan.
I guess Badfinger will never have a chance. Too bad.
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Post by alltouttt on Sept 26, 2008 9:47:01 GMT -5
I'll vote for the Banana Splits long before Kiss - original or not!! Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la.
One banana, two banana, three banana, four. Four bananas make a bunch and so do many more. Over hill and highway the banana buggies go Comin' on to bring you The Banana Splits Show.
Makin up a mess of fun Makin up a mess of fun Lot's of fun for everyone.
Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la.
Four banana, three banana, two banana, one. All bananas playing in the bright warm sun. Flippin like a pancake, poppin like a cork Fleagle, Bingo, Drooper and Snork.
Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la. Tra la la, la la la la.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 26, 2008 10:28:27 GMT -5
When Snoop Dogg gets in the Hall before the Monkees, we will really know the Hall really has absolutely nothing to do with Rock and Roll. No, I guess we knew that when Madonna got in. This years nominees: Run DMC (I just can't seem to reconcile rap with rock-n-roll), the Stooges (okay, but do Shemp, Joe and Curly Joe get in too?), Metallica (Kiss should be in before Metallica), Chic, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Jeff Beck(yes), War (are you kidding?), Bobby Womack, Wanda Jackson How about some rock bands: Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, Chicago I have problems with the picks. I don't agree about Run DMC. What did they do that was that significant? Bobby Womack and Chic same argument. Little Anthony, Jeff Beck and Wanda Jackson deserve to be there. Metallica should get booed off the stage for their anti-Napster campaign. The Stooges deserve to be there. I don't think War does, though I'd accept them before Run DMC. There were so many other good choices that could and should have been made.
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Post by mikev on Sept 26, 2008 11:14:48 GMT -5
I hate to break the news to you, but the Banana Splits weren't really talking animals playing their own songs, but guys with costumes on.
Geez.
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Post by alltouttt on Sept 26, 2008 12:01:22 GMT -5
Geez!! Really??
MOTHER!! YOU TRICKED ME!!
again...
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Post by mikev on Sept 26, 2008 13:01:20 GMT -5
The Archies however...were real.
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Post by alltouttt on Sept 26, 2008 13:29:34 GMT -5
I knew THAT!!
Duh ...
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Post by OldFred on Sept 26, 2008 15:16:46 GMT -5
The Archies however...were real. Ron Dante, who was the singing voice of the Archies, does deserve to be in the Hall both as a performer and a producer. He's one of those behind the scenes guys who has respect in the Music Industry.
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Post by alltouttt on Sept 26, 2008 17:48:16 GMT -5
The Monkees ought to be in the RNRHOF if only for that Mike Nesmith and Frank Zappa's bit on "The Monkees" TV show ...
Oh! And the movie *Head* was something else too!!
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Post by mikev on Sept 27, 2008 0:12:01 GMT -5
Head to the hip youth and the screaming girls of the time was the equivalent today of the Jonas Bros recording an excellent Radiohead type concept album-neither group would "get it".
As for Ron Dante-wasn't he a back up Brill Building vocalist-kind of the east equivalent of the Wrecking Crew?
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Sept 28, 2008 22:48:51 GMT -5
the R&R hall of fame lost whatever integrity it might have had...too many non-rock acts have been voted in in the last few years. Chic? War? Wanda Jackson? Any of these acts have more than 1 hit or ANY influence on any other acts?
If these guys get in then Ringo gets in!
And how can you keep overlooking the MOnkees? What a joke!
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Sept 28, 2008 22:52:34 GMT -5
Funny, I was never a KISS fan but when Amazon offered their greatest hits for $1.99 on MP3 I bit.
Boy, they suck. The songs are so vapid, the lyrics simplistic (as opposed to simple) the playing pedestrian, and THEY HAVE NO VOCALIST...not one member can sing! In retrospect, even a duff band like Sweet was more productive. I figured I'd like a few tracks, but this wasn't even worth the $1.99 I paid.
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Post by mikev on Sept 29, 2008 23:05:16 GMT -5
I think their 70s stuff is okay-hokie in a way for hard rock. But they have longevity and a following.
While all my friends were buying everything Kiss under the sun, I wasn't too keen on them-I was listening to Boz Scaggs, Steve Miller, Bruce, Eagles and Wings
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