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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 22, 2012 8:22:50 GMT -5
I think most of us would agree that 1992's TIME TAKES TIME was a fantastic album for Ringo, and maybe his best after his classic RINGO in '73. After that, we waited until 1998 before we got VERTICAL MAN which is also considered a pretty decent album for Mr. Starkey. I play 1999's I WANNA BE SANTA CLAUS every Christmas Season, just for the novelty of it - the first Beatle to have a whole Christmas Album -- and while I wouldn't call it a "great album", it's fun for the holiday.
But let's go ahead to the 2000s -- 2003 to be exact (though those years all seem alike to me!)...
2003 - RINGO RAMA
2005 - CHOOSE LOVE
2008 - LIVERPOOL 8
2010 - Y NOT
2012 - RINGO 2012
Something happened along the line where Ringo's albums here started to seem the same. Was it too much of a good thing, having Ringo back again and very active in music? Was it Mark Hudson who milked the cow for too long? I think that all the albums listed above have some good songs on them amidst the fillers -- if I were to make my own CD of the real winners, it could be very solid throughout.
I have become a really big Ringo fan over the past 20 years. I admire and respect him for becoming sober in 1988 and getting off his ass and touring with the All-Starrs for the last 23 years - going back to the drums and making albums, which was the reason he wanted to become a musician in the first place.
I think Y NOT was a really fine album that sort of broke the chain of the others and felt somewhat different. LIVERPOOL 8 has about 5 or more songs I really enjoy listening to. I have yet to hear all of the upcoming album, RINGO 2012 -- but the remake of "Wings" is good.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 22, 2012 10:41:41 GMT -5
I think most of us would agree that 1992's TIME TAKES TIME was a fantastic album for Ringo, and maybe his best after his classic RINGO in '73. After that, we waited until 1998 before we got VERTICAL MAN which is also considered a pretty decent album for Mr. Starkey. I play 1999's I WANNA BE SANTA CLAUS every Christmas Season, just for the novelty of it - the first Beatle to have a whole Christmas Album -- and while I wouldn't call it a "great album", it's fun for the holiday. But let's go ahead to the 2000s -- 2003 to be exact (though those years all seem alike to me!)... 2003 - RINGO RAMA 2005 - CHOOSE LOVE 2008 - LIVERPOOL 8 2010 - Y NOT 2012 - RINGO 2012 Something happened along the line where Ringo's albums here started to seem the same. Was it too much of a good thing, having Ringo back again and very active in music? Was it Mark Hudson who milked the cow for too long? I think that all the albums listed above have some good songs on them amidst the fillers -- if I were to make my own CD of the real winners, it could be very solid throughout. I have become a really big Ringo fan over the past 20 years. I admire and respect him for becoming sober in 1988 and getting off his ass and touring with the All-Starrs for the last 23 years - going back to the drums and making albums, which was the reason he wanted to become a musician in the first place. I think Y NOT was a really fine album that sort of broke the chain of the others and felt somewhat different. LIVERPOOL 8 has about 5 or more songs I really enjoy listening to. I have yet to hear all of the upcoming album, RINGO 2012 -- but the remake of "Wings" is good. It's interesting that in the time frame 2002-2010, Ringo made 4 albums that as you say "seemed the same". In that same time frame of 7 years in the 60's, The Beatles recorded their entire catalogue of music, save for the two reunion songs in the 90's. The strength of the four men together in the studio verses the strength of one in the studio (or even two or three when they very infrequently helped each other out on some tracks on each others albums) has always been clearly delineated no matter what 7 year time frame you put on any of the solo efforts of any Beatle from 1970-present. IMO of course. |
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 22, 2012 13:33:00 GMT -5
It's true that all of these Ringo albums are of the same genre. RingoRama may have been the best of the bunch. Choose Love good, not as great. Low point was Liverpool 8, not much to recommend it besides the title song.
Y Not may have turned a bit of the corner. It's a bit rockier, less cutesy Beatles-references. I hope Ringo 2012 continues this direction.
Ringo's post-sobering up work is far and away better than his mid-70's to 80's work. I admire the fact that Ringo produces really enjoyable, rock-and-roll type albums at this stage of his career.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 22, 2012 17:14:37 GMT -5
I have become a really big Ringo fan over the past 20 years. I admire and respect him for becoming sober in 1988 and getting off his ass and touring with the All-Starrs for the last 23 years - going back to the drums and making albums, which was the reason he wanted to become a musician in the first place. I think Y NOT was a really fine album that sort of broke the chain of the others and felt somewhat different. LIVERPOOL 8 has about 5 or more songs I really enjoy listening to. I have yet to hear all of the upcoming album, RINGO 2012 -- but the remake of "Wings" is good. I think I pretty much like the whole album, Joe. I also really liked "Y Not." It's still on my portable player. "Ringo 2012", though no huge step forward, is Ringo as you expect him. Which, IMO, is a very good thing. |
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Post by kc on Jan 22, 2012 21:15:18 GMT -5
I detect a definite change of style in Ringo's albums from the time of Hudson's departure. I think that has been a good thing; things were getting stale. IMO each album from Time Takes Time until Choose Love was weaker than the last (leaving aside the Christmas album).
I'd rank Ringo's 1973 and 1992 albums roughly equally and as his best.
Next come Vertical Man and Y Not: both pretty good.
The songs I like (to varying degrees) from 2003 onwards:
Ringorama:
Missouri Loves Company
Memphis In Your Mind
Never Without You
Imagine Me there
Write One For Me
Elizabeth Reigns
Choose Love:
Oh My Lord
Choose Love
Free Drinks
Liverpool 8:
Liverpool 8
Think About you
For Love
Y Not:
Fill In The Blanks
Peace Dream
The Other Side Of Liverpool
Walk With You
Everyone Wins
Mystery Of The Night
Apart from the Buddy Holly cover, I have not heard any of Ringo 2012. Here's hoping!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 24, 2012 0:08:01 GMT -5
I think Ringo Rama is a fine album other than for the deluxe/super deluxe controversy.
Vertical Man was great too but Time Takes Time is really special for me. It is the one Ringo album that really brings me pleasure track per track.
Starting with Choose Love is when I could only find two or three songs per album that I liked.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 24, 2012 15:08:50 GMT -5
I'm listening to RINGO RAMA now, and the first thing that hit me (on EYE TO EYE) was another "It Don't Come Easy" name check! JSD, you are so right about that -- how many times has Ringo used IDCE now?? It was so cool when he used it in DON'T GO WHERE THE ROAD DON'T GO as part of his sobriety journey, but now he must have over-used it in at least 2 other songs (one of them is on LIVERPOOL 8). EDITED: Jeez - now he's referenced "Instant Karma" in INSTANT AMNESIA!  |
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 24, 2012 20:26:43 GMT -5
"The only thing you've done was Yesterday and since you're gone you're just Another Day."
"You point the way to the truth when you say All you need is love.
You were the one who Imagined it all All those years ago."
And what about all of John's references in Glass Onion?
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 24, 2012 23:00:39 GMT -5
I'm listening to RINGO RAMA now, and the first thing that hit me (on EYE TO EYE) was another "It Don't Come Easy" name check! JSD, you are so right about that -- how many times has Ringo used IDCE now?? It was so cool when he used it in DON'T GO WHERE THE ROAD DON'T GO as part of his sobriety journey, but now he must have over-used it in at least 2 other songs (one of them is on LIVERPOOL 8). EDITED: Jeez - now he's referenced "Instant Karma" in INSTANT AMNESIA! I too thought the reference in "Don't Go Where The Road Don't Go" was very cool. To me, that is one of the greatest Beatles solo songs! If that was released in 1975 instead of 1992 it would have been a #1 hit! I think John Lennon would have been so proud of Ringo on that song. I sure hope Paul and George took notice back then. |
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 25, 2012 7:22:14 GMT -5
Ringo's good, Rotogravure and Ringo the IV were also very good albums, IMO.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 25, 2012 8:49:22 GMT -5
"The only thing you've done was Yesterday and since you're gone you're just Another Day." "You point the way to the truth when you say All you need is love. You were the one who Imagined it all All those years ago." And what about all of John's references in Glass Onion? I don't think of any of those examples as being even remotely annoying. That's the difference right there. If they had felt annoying to me at some point, then I'll know they've been "overdone" in my mind. In all the examples you've mentioned, they were cool with me and were fun novelties that didn't feel repetitive. With Ringo's new solo albums, he just does it WAY more, and too much. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 25, 2012 9:06:32 GMT -5
Blah -- I really still disliked RINGO RAMA. I know I am in the minority there among Ringo fans, but that album was a real misfire for me. The one exceptional song I enjoy on there is the George tribute, Never Without You.. I guess I could also take Memphis In Your Mind, but the rest of it was just not enjoyable to me. I've played RINGO RAMA a few times now and I think I've given it enough of a chance to be comfortable with my evaluation at this point.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 25, 2012 12:42:51 GMT -5
I'm now re-listening to CHOOSE LOVE, and already I like the first three songs better than RINGO RAMA: Fading In Fading Out... Give Me Back The Beat.. Oh My Lord... like them all. (I think "Oh My Lord" is especially good, but I did hear the background singer at least once feel a need to echo the name check: "Myy Sweet Lorrd!")
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 25, 2012 13:54:23 GMT -5
Blah -- I really still disliked RINGO RAMA. I know I am in the minority there among Ringo fans, but that album was a real misfire for me. The one exceptional song I enjoy on there is the George tribute, Never Without You.. I guess I could also take Memphis In Your Mind, but the rest of it was just not enjoyable to me. I've played RINGO RAMA a few times now and I think I've given it enough of a chance to be comfortable with my evaluation at this point. Too bad, I think it's great, although the Beatlee references to grate. How about I Think Therefore I Rock and Roll, or Elizabeth Reigns? I love those songs! |
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 25, 2012 17:20:43 GMT -5
Blah -- I really still disliked RINGO RAMA. I know I am in the minority there among Ringo fans, but that album was a real misfire for me. The one exceptional song I enjoy on there is the George tribute, Never Without You.. I guess I could also take Memphis In Your Mind, but the rest of it was just not enjoyable to me. I've played RINGO RAMA a few times now and I think I've given it enough of a chance to be comfortable with my evaluation at this point. Too bad, I think it's great, although the Beatlee references to grate. How about I Think Therefore I Rock and Roll, or Elizabeth Reigns? I love those songs! Those are good but my favorite Ringo Rama song is "I Really Love Her" which is the hidden song. Ringo plays all the instruments and it is a cool song. |
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 25, 2012 19:33:02 GMT -5
"The only thing you've done was Yesterday and since you're gone you're just Another Day." "You point the way to the truth when you say All you need is love. You were the one who Imagined it all All those years ago." And what about all of John's references in Glass Onion? I don't think of any of those examples as being even remotely annoying. That's the difference right there. If they had felt annoying to me at some point, then I'll know they've been "overdone" in my mind. In all the examples you've mentioned, they were cool with me and were fun novelties that didn't feel repetitive. With Ringo's new solo albums, he just does it WAY more, and too much. I wasn't saying for a second that those songs were annoying. Ringo does seem a little disperate, trying to evoke the memory of his biggest hit. Oh, I forgot, "We all know Ob la di ob la da, but can you show me where you are"! I guess my favorite is Paul (or some believe John) singing She Loves You at the end of All You Need is Love. |
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 25, 2012 19:40:13 GMT -5
Too bad, I think it's great, although the Beatlee references to grate. How about I Think Therefore I Rock and Roll, or Elizabeth Reigns? I love those songs! Those are good but my favorite Ringo Rama song is "I Really Love Her" which is the hidden song. Ringo plays all the instruments and it is a cool song. True...every time Ringo plays something besides drums it's special, if a bit um...understated. I think he played the keyboard on Think It Over, right? |
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 25, 2012 19:43:37 GMT -5
I don't think of any of those examples as being even remotely annoying. That's the difference right there. If they had felt annoying to me at some point, then I'll know they've been "overdone" in my mind. In all the examples you've mentioned, they were cool with me and were fun novelties that didn't feel repetitive. With Ringo's new solo albums, he just does it WAY more, and too much. I wasn't saying for a second that those songs were annoying. Ringo does seem a little disperate, trying to evoke the memory of his biggest hit. Oh, I forgot, "We all know Ob la di ob la da, but can you show where you are"! I guess my favorite is Paul (or some believe John) singing She Loves You at the end of All You Need is Love. Not desperate, it's a game to him, he's said in interviews he gets it on every album. I don't think that's exactly true, I think it was on Stop and Smell the Roses and every one since time Takes Time, I could be wrong about it. I don't think it's his favorite song, and not sure it's his biggest hit, wouldn't that be Photograph? |
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 25, 2012 20:13:34 GMT -5
I wasn't saying for a second that those songs were annoying. Ringo does seem a little disperate, trying to evoke the memory of his biggest hit. Oh, I forgot, "We all know Ob la di ob la da, but can you show where you are"! I guess my favorite is Paul (or some believe John) singing She Loves You at the end of All You Need is Love. Not desperate, it's a game to him, he's said in interviews he gets it on every album. I don't think that's exactly true, I think it was on Stop and Smell the Roses and every one since time Takes Time, I could be wrong about it. I don't think it's his favorite song, and not sure it's his biggest hit, wouldn't that be Photograph? Yeah, I started to change that to that he "wrote" but I'm not sure that's true either. I got distracted and hit Post. |
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 28, 2012 17:45:45 GMT -5
Ringo wrote most of It Don't Come Easy. It was like Octopus's Garded, he got stuck and George added and revised, and produced the thing. Give George a some credit but the verses at least sound like pure Ringo.
It's that demo of the produced song that George does a guide vocal on that puts doubt to Ringo's writing this song. It apparently was made to show Ringo the arrangement.
Just because you have a demo of John singing "Only You" doesn't mean he wrote it, just showing Ringo how he could cover it.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 28, 2012 18:47:43 GMT -5
Ringo wrote most of It Don't Come Easy. It was like Octopus's Garded, he got stuck and George added and revised, and produced the thing. Give George a some credit but the verses at least sound like pure Ringo. It's that demo of the produced song that George does a guide vocal on that puts doubt to Ringo's writing this song. It apparently was made to show Ringo the arrangement. Just because you have a demo of John singing "Only You" doesn't mean he wrote it, just showing Ringo how he could cover it. I don't think I was questioning that he wrote it, I was questioning that it was the biggest hit that he wrote. But thinking about it a little bit, I guess it was. Boogaloo was a pretty big hit but probably not as big. Octopus was probably more well known but it wasn't a single so that would be kind of hard to prove. But that's a good point. I think hearing George's demo has made us suspect that Ringo did not really write it. But I remember John, at the time, saying how great it was that Ringo had written It Don't Come Easy. I think it was when he was pointing out that the fans were getting more Beatle music after they had split than they had before. |
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Post by markc on Jan 30, 2012 13:38:59 GMT -5
When We Was Fab name checks:
Strangers in the Night
It's All Over Now Baby Blue
You Really Got A Hold on Me
"take you away" (MMT)
Then you have the Walrus type strings and backing vocals, and then there's the video.
Each had their Fab nostalgia songs.
John (although given to Ringo) with I'm the Greatest
Paul: That Was Me
George: Fab
Ringo: as discussed above
Each Threetle has a tribute song. Here Today, All Those Years Ago, Never Without You.
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