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Post by andyb on Feb 24, 2012 15:27:07 GMT -5
Did Pete consciously invent Dance music by playing 4 to floor on the bass drum or could he not play a simple rock beat and was thus over compensating for his lack of ability? Let battle commence . . . ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 24, 2012 15:31:11 GMT -5
All I know is whenever I listen to Pete's drumming on things like the Decca Auditions or his LOVE ME DO attempt, it's just all over the place and irregular.
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Post by andyb on Feb 24, 2012 15:47:26 GMT -5
Didn't have the "feel" man.
Seriously though, that "Atom Beat" is interesting whether by design or fault.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 24, 2012 15:59:12 GMT -5
I don't know precisely what an Atom Beat is, but all I do know for a fact is that the other Beatles and George Martin didn't like it.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 24, 2012 17:15:12 GMT -5
I don't know precisely what an Atom Beat is, but all I do know for a fact is that the other Beatles and George Martin didn't like it. Actually the other Beatles liked the "Atom Beat" just fine. In fact Pete developed it after McCartney started yelling at him in Hamburg to "crank up the beat"! It went on to become the Liverpool sound. Pete was a rugby player and reasonably athletic. I assume he added a louder, more hard rock sound that included playing kick on every beat. It's interesting that Klaus Voormann says that Stu's style of playing mixed really well with Pete's drums. He says that Stu couldn't play complicated runs like McCartney could, but he could play simple basslines with great enthusiasm and that he never saw Stu playing with his back to the crowd as is always reported. He and others have also said that when Stu sang Love Me Tender or Loving You, he got the Beatles biggest ovation of the night.
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Post by andyb on Feb 24, 2012 17:35:54 GMT -5
Wonder if it was some kind of Dave Clarke Five thing.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 24, 2012 18:30:01 GMT -5
Actually the other Beatles liked the "Atom Beat" just fine. In fact Pete developed it after McCartney started yelling at him in Hamburg to "crank up the beat"! It went on to become the Liverpool sound. Lennon said Pete was a lousy drummer who never improved. How do we know what the other three thought? Just because Klaus never saw it doesn't mean it's a myth. There are photos of Stu playing with his back to the audience (though I'm sure you might say it was something else going on). I know you always talk about how "others say this and that", so I'd like to point out that others have said Stu played with his back to the audience. The Beatles themselves, for starters.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 24, 2012 19:33:53 GMT -5
Actually the other Beatles liked the "Atom Beat" just fine. In fact Pete developed it after McCartney started yelling at him in Hamburg to "crank up the beat"! It went on to become the Liverpool sound. Lennon said Pete was a lousy drummer who never improved. How do we know what the other three thought? Just because Klaus never saw it doesn't mean it's a myth. There are photos of Stu playing with his back to the audience (though I'm sure you might say it was something else going on). I know you always talk about how "others say this and that", so I'd like to point out that others have said Stu played with his back to the audience. The Beatles themselves, for starters. All Klaus can talk about is what he saw, not what he didn't see. He saw a lot of The Beatles and says he NEVER saw Stu play with his back to the audience. There is ONE photo with Stu with his back to the audience. At the Billy Fury audition. In that photo it looks like the group is still tuning up. I could show you a thousand photos with Jimi Hendrix standing with his back to the audience when he was tuning up. Does that mean Hendrix couldn't play guitar? No one is saying Stu was a great bass player. Heck, he bought his first bass just months before The Beatles left for Germany. But there are a lot of people who saw The Beatles with Stu that say the other Beatles dimminish his playing and his contribution to the group just like they dimminish Pete's. Just like they got better, Stu got better too and was a contributing member of the group.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 13:45:34 GMT -5
Actually the other Beatles liked the "Atom Beat" just fine. In fact Pete developed it after McCartney started yelling at him in Hamburg to "crank up the beat"! It went on to become the Liverpool sound. Lennon said Pete was a lousy drummer who never improved. How do we know what the other three thought? Just because Klaus never saw it doesn't mean it's a myth. There are photos of Stu playing with his back to the audience (though I'm sure you might say it was something else going on). I know you always talk about how "others say this and that", so I'd like to point out that others have said Stu played with his back to the audience. The Beatles themselves, for starters. The Beatles say a lot of things, not all of them true. I never said that at no time did Stu stand with his back to the audience. I just said that Klaus Voorman has said that in all of the shows he saw when Stu was with The Beatles, he never saw Stu playing with his back to the crowd. What he says he witnessed was Stu facing the crowd and being just as animated and involved as the others and that he did learn how to play simple bass lines with great enthusiasm. There are many photos of Stu playing in Hamburg. He is facing the crowd in ALL of them. I agree that there are photos of Stu at the Billy Fury audition where he does appear to have his back turned to Larry Parnes & Billy Fury, but in the famous photo shown in Anthology, it does look like the group hasn't really started playing yet and is still tuning up. I am not saying Stu NEVER turned his back to the crowd, just that how much he may have did it has been grossly exagerated.
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Post by Snookeroo on Feb 28, 2012 22:43:02 GMT -5
Actually the other Beatles liked the "Atom Beat" just fine. In fact Pete developed it after McCartney started yelling at him in Hamburg to "crank up the beat"! It went on to become the Liverpool sound.
What/who is your sourse for stuf like this? Pete? Are you saying that because Paul yelled at Pete best, he (Pete) went on to create the "Liverpool sound"?
Pete was a rugby player and reasonably athletic. I assume he added a louder, more hard rock sound that included playing kick on every beat. It's interesting that Klaus Voormann says that Stu's style of playing mixed really well with Pete's drums. He says that Stu couldn't play complicated runs like McCartney could, but he could play simple basslines with great enthusiasm and that he never saw Stu playing with his back to the crowd as is always reported.
Playing "simple with great entusiasm" is what someone says who is trying to be nice. History shows that Stu was not all that into being a musician. There are a billion photos of Stu with his back to the crowwd. I guess Klaus didn't happen to be at those gigs.
He and others have also said that when Stu sang Love Me Tender or Loving You, he got the Beatles biggest ovation of the night.
Please point us to where Klaus, and "others" have said this.
BATB - I'm torn between laughing out loud, and getting exasperated at all this.
Don't you think that long before you were even born the media were all over the story of Pete Best and his part in the Beatles history. Have Pete, and "others" held back these amazing facts until you came along some 50 years later to break the story?
I was looking at the famous Granada footage of SOME OTHER GUY. That's the start of Beatlemania right there. The band looks so good, and tight, and uniform. The new drummer was not only better, but he conformed to the look they wanted. Pete had only been gone a week or so, so the news was still fairly new. I noticed that the Cavern was still packed to the rafters, and a TV company was interested enough to film it. I'm beginning to think that the chants of "Pete Forever" were a handful of girls who liked Pete's blue eyes. The same girls were probably loving Ringo's blue eyes before too long. In fact, one of them married him. In short - Ringo won the fans over.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 28, 2012 23:30:06 GMT -5
Good Luck. I (along with others) have been asking this man to back up all his bizarre claims for a couple days now, and he either ignores the requests and keeps spouting his ususal three or four meanlingless quotes or else disappears completely.
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