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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 12:28:35 GMT -5
Pete sued to clear his name from Ringo's lie. He won. All agree that Pete never missed a gig because he was on drugs. He only missed 3 or 4 gigs total (far less than McCartney did) out of 750+ shows (a 99.5% attendance rate). The others missed gigs as well. As for you saying that you never heard John passing Pete off as just a drunkard making claims. Watch the beginning of this video clip. Lennon does exactly that. Oh puh-lease. Ringo joked in an interview once that "he took little pills to make him ill" thinking it was cute or funny, and gets sued. The Beatles settle a small sum to make Pete go away. You make it sound like Ringo had a slander campaign going against Pete Best. Have a conscience, aren't there enough people out their revising history with lies? Just because you have freedom to do this doesn't mean you should. You call these "facts" but they are something less, little unbalanced snippets designed to mislead people. I have no respect for that. How would you like it if I said lied in the press that you kept missing work all of the time with your periodic illnesses? That you were taking pills to make you ill? Yeah, that's such a cheeky thing to do. Ringo should have kept his f----- mouth shut and John should have corrected him right there on the spot. Also, you say I am revising history with lies. Really? Name one lie I have told. Go ahead, name one. You just can't handle the truth.
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 13:29:03 GMT -5
The video you posted of John's "drunkard" quote doesn't do your credibility much good.
'nuff said.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 13:31:27 GMT -5
The video you posted of John's "drunkard" quote doesn't do your credibility much good. 'nuff said. How so? Are you saying John admitted Pete was a Beatle and didn't say he's probably someone who's had a few?
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 13:45:42 GMT -5
No. I'm saying that John answered the question about the number of lawsuits that Pete had had against them and not that he was a drunk.
Why is it only you that see's that?
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 14:01:03 GMT -5
No. I'm saying that John answered the question about the number of lawsuits that Pete had had against them and not that he was a drunk. Why is it only you that see's that? What do you think John meant by "we think he's had a few"? I think he meant someone that's had a few too many drinks and I doubt very much that I am the only one who might think that. I respect that some people might not think that, so if you are one of those people, then what do YOU think he meant? What do you think John meant by "we think he's had a few"?
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 14:07:05 GMT -5
"I think he's had a few but we don't bother with those"
LAWSUITS! is what he was referring to. Listen to the question.
I think what John is saying in his answer is that Pete has had a number of lawsuits against them but it's not something they deal with.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 14:09:58 GMT -5
What do you think John meant by "we think he's had a few"? I think he meant someone that's had a few too many drinks and I doubt very much that I am the only one who might think that. I respect that some people might not think that, so if you are one of those people, then what do YOU think he meant? What do you think John meant by "we think he's had a few"? Just what he really meant. John is asked if Pete Best had a lawsuit against The Beatles, and John answers that he thinks he's had a few [lawsuits], but also adds that they [The Beatles] don't bother with those. Can't you just admit you were mistaken?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 14:46:02 GMT -5
So, BATB - can you inform us as to whether Pete sings on any recordings which exist? I have a BEST OF THE BEATLES album.. is Pete a vocalist there at all? The album jacket says nothing about whether he's the singer. I've tried researching it online but have come up with nothing on it.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 14:48:39 GMT -5
He didn't just ask about lawsuits. The reporter asked 2 questions.
1. Is there a lawsuit pending?
2. Is it true, was Pete Best a former member of The Beatles?
I think John quickly and cooly answered a 2 part question with a 2 part answer.
Brian handles the lawsuits and don't believe everything Pete Best says about being a former member of The Beatles because he's probably had a few too many (drinks).
John never said whether he was, never said he wasn't a former member of The Beatles. He probably didn't want to give the question or Pete any more attention than he was forced to. The reporter should have followed up. He didn't. Good for John & the boys. Bad for the truth in this instance.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 14:50:38 GMT -5
So, BATB - can you inform us as to whether Pete sings on any recordings which exist? I have a BEST OF THE BEATLES album.. is Pete a vocalist there at all? The album jacket says nothing about whether he's the singer. I've tried researching it online but have come up with nothing on it. I am not really into Pete Best. I am only into The Beatles.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 14:51:47 GMT -5
It's getting really tiring having two threads on this, by the way. I think since this one's the "Pete Best" one, perhaps we should keep it here, would you agree?
And I think you're mistaken about the 'drunk' thing. Just ridiculous.
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 14:56:09 GMT -5
The basic question is -
"Is it true there's a lawsuit pending by Pete Best claiming to be a former Beatle"
The reply is -
"I think he's had few (lawsuits) but we don't bother with them"
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 14:58:39 GMT -5
Plus, if you notice, John emphasizes the word "FEW" in his reply to the reporter. As if to say not only has Pete had one lawsuit, but he's had a FEW..."
Listen to the word. It expands on the reporter's first question.
It may only be one word, but it would be said differently if it was meant to imply that Pete had had a few 'drinks'.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 15:13:33 GMT -5
The basic question is - "Is it true there's a lawsuit pending by Pete Best claiming to be a former Beatle" The reply is - "I think he's had few (lawsuits) but we don't bother with them" Wrong. The reporter asks about the lawsuit, then follows with a second question asking if it's true that Pete was a former member of The Beatles.
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:16:35 GMT -5
No he says that "claiming to be a former member of the beatles" is the subject matter of the lawsuit. He doesn't finish his next sentence and John answers the lawsuit question of if there's a lawsuit.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 15:17:52 GMT -5
Plus, if you notice, John emphasizes the word "FEW" in his reply to the reporter. As if to say not only has Pete had one lawsuit, but he's had a FEW..." Listen to the word. It expands on the reporter's first question. It may only be one word, but it would be said differently if it was meant to imply that Pete had had a few 'drinks'. Before this lawsuit, Pete had NEVER had a lawsuit against The Beatles. NEVER! However there were plenty of times where he had a "few", got drunk and did something stupid or crazy. Many times John had a "few" with Pete and they did stupid or crazy together. The only thing that is ridiculous is the posters here thinking that John could only be talking lawsuits and only lawsuits when he talks about Pete having a "few".
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:20:16 GMT -5
Perhaps Pete had had a few lawsuits "pending" but never followed through, unlike John the night he had a toilet seat round his head on stage.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 15:22:30 GMT -5
No he says that "claiming to be a former member of the beatles" is the subject matter of the lawsuit. He doesn't finish his next sentence and John answers the lawsuit question of if there's a lawsuit. He says the lawsuit is by Pete Best, who claims to be a former member of The Beatles. Is that true, was he a former... The reporter is asking 2 questions. He is asking for a comment on the lawsuit that was filed and he also is seeking clarification as to whether Pete Best was in fact a fomer member of the group.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 15:25:23 GMT -5
"It is.. " "It is not...!"
BATB, I'm still hoping you can point out your source for Paul allegedly missing more gigs than Pete did in the early days? You've claimed that Pete missed "far less" gigs. That is news to everyone, and I would love to learn more. In addition to learning your source, I'd like to know who filled in for McCartney when he was not in the band? We know Ringo filled in for Pete .. did Starr also play bass for Paul...?
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:27:55 GMT -5
Aye maybe I'm over analysing the subject matter bit.
John's answer still refers to the lawsuit pending though.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 15:30:27 GMT -5
You're fine, Andy. I wouldn't be worried about you.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 15:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:34:47 GMT -5
This is starting to feel like a Monty Python sketch.
"You've an unusual name haven't you Mrs Yetigoosecreature"
"Yes it's Simon"
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:35:49 GMT -5
That link just went to a blank page for me. Is it on Youtube?
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Feb 25, 2012 15:41:01 GMT -5
My final word in this room is shame on all of you Beatles fans posting here. I think John was thinking faster than all of you are giving him credit for. I think John heard both parts of the reporters 2 part question and he quickly addressed both parts in one fast 2 part sentence of an answer.
Then everybody moved on.
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:42:06 GMT -5
It's all water under the bridge. Take a look -
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 15:44:04 GMT -5
That link just went to a blank page for me. Is it on Youtube? Snookeroo found it, bless him. Hopefully he will return here and help us out. If you go up several posts you can find the original time Snook presented th elink. Maybe it would work for you there.
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:46:46 GMT -5
I'll try that again but I'm sure it's what I used first time.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2012 15:47:38 GMT -5
My final word in this room Is that a promise? But before you slam the door it would be helpful to present your evidence for saying that Pete missed "far less gigs than Paul".
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Post by andyb on Feb 25, 2012 15:49:50 GMT -5
My final word in this room is shame on all of you Beatles fans posting here. I think John was thinking faster than all of you are giving him credit for. I think John heard both parts of the reporters 2 part question and he quickly addressed both parts in one fast 2 part sentence of an answer. No. He said he thinks he's (Pete Best) had a few (pending lawsuits) but they don't deal with those. No more no less. You're reading into it far too much.
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