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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 13, 2012 6:12:05 GMT -5
I see "beatlesattheirbest" ran away with his tail between his legs ... he could not back up many of his absurd statements elevating Pete Best in Beatles History. On March 2nd he promised "I'll answer all your questions by the end of the week!". Or - maybe posts like this one of yours drove him away Joe. Totally unecessary IMO. Was it necessary when you got on his case at times, too? When you said he was "in La La Land"...? Please..... glass houses and all that stuff... You know as well as I do that he was being uncompromising and impossible to deal with, would keep spouting the same two or three Beatle quotes while ignoring all other counter-quotes.... and caused a number of members here (not just me) a lot of frustration. I'm surprised HIS posts didn't drive people away! Snookeroo, I'm surprised you've fallen for the b.s. And it would be a total copout and an easy way to avoid exposure just to simply say "well, I didn't like Joe's tactics so I didn't want to reply". Whether you agree with my "style" or not, the point is BATB could not back up his outlandish claims. When he would state something and I would produce opposing evidence, he would ignore it. When he would say something like "Paul missed more gigs than Pete did" and I asked him where he got that info from, he wouldn't say. Instead, he kept on avoiding it, saying "I'll get to it, I'll get to it... just wait to the end of the week and Ill answer everything..." but then he disappeared. He kept on saying he had to do all this extensive work and check notes and things in order to address my questions, when some of my questions did not even require any "research" at all. (Example: BATB complains that "George acts like he doesn't really remember Pete in the ANTHOLOGY". So I tell him about the ROCKLINE radio show where George said "We'll have to do some editing because we're already up to 10 tapes and Pete Best hasn't even joined the band yet!" Now, what kind of "research" does BATB need to do to consider that point...? What kind of "research" does BATB need to do to address the newly discovered letter that Paul wrote in response to a drummer who was looking for work, right before they left for Hamburg? It proves that The Beatles never gave Pete Best a thought, even though BATB concocted the idea that the Beatles knew Pete and Mona so well that "they practically lived at their place". If they practically lived there and knew Pete so well, why did it never occur to them until the last second to use him in Hamburg...? Not all of my observations require any "extensive research" in order to respond to them. If BATB avoided me it's not so much due to my style (though that would be a good excuse for him to use) as it is due to his not being able to address my points which would discredit him. This is blatantly obvious to anyone who's paid attention and has followed this entire charade. Maybe he thinks everyone's just going to accept everything he distorts, but it's tough when he encounters an obstacle in his path.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 13, 2012 8:43:48 GMT -5
You see BATB, this is where you're in some kind of la-la land. Just pointing out that I was not alone.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 13, 2012 13:23:20 GMT -5
Have we lost beatlesattheirbest? Maybe he'll be back.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 13, 2012 15:37:30 GMT -5
Tell you what... if BATB returns I'll be extra nice to him while holding our discussions. (I already tried this in another thread that turned into a Pete Best topic). You have nothing to fear, BATB.
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Post by andyb on Mar 13, 2012 16:15:30 GMT -5
In a thread on a sound engineering forum the other day there was a reply that made me chuckle. The thread drifted into Ringo's drumming and one troll merchant was really having a go. Someone either replied or had it as part of their signature the following statement.
"Any drummer/person who thinks Ringo is a rubbish drummer is using faulty drummer judging criteria"
So right.
I hope BATB is ok and hasn't got scared off. This is supposed to be fun.
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Post by Snookeroo on Mar 13, 2012 17:36:35 GMT -5
You see BATB, this is where you're in some kind of la-la land. Just pointing out that I was not alone. Did you really go back through this whole thread to handpick those comments out? I'm quite sure that the "la la land" comment was not mine though. I do not have the wherewithall to make the trek back and look. The question about BATB being Pete's brother was not a joke. I meant it. Yes - I said he was being "silly". Can you imagine all the other names people can be called? How bad is it to be called "silly".
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 13, 2012 17:51:43 GMT -5
Did you really go back through this whole thread to handpick those comments out? I'm quite sure that the "la la land" comment was not mine though. I do not have the wherewithall to make the trek back and look. The question about BATB being Pete's brother was not a joke. I meant it. Yes - I said he was being "silly". Can you imagine all the other names people can be called? How bad is it to be called "silly". You did say the "la la land" quote. (It was a good observation, by the way) . I don't care, but as I say, if you're going to talk about my style...) I hope we can still be buds. Honestly, Snooks... do you think this really gets us anywhere? Just let me (and others) respond to people how we choose, without correcting us or whining of train wrecks. Look where you and I are now because of you stepping in. So yes, I decided to go back and show 'the Pot calling the Kettle black'. I wish I didn't have to do so, but you seem so intent on always pointing a finger at people, so I just thought I'd show you've also been rough on BATB (though it's not hard to understand, as he is so thick ). ---- Of course we all have ways to rationalize things away ( " 'silly' isn't as bad as some other names"). "Thick" could have been a lot worse too! But whatever. BATB has made me (and others) frustrated with him at times. While checking the old posts I noticed there were simple questions you've asked him that he even refused to answer: Snookeroo: "Do you think The Beatles sold out?" BATB: "John Lennon said they sold out". Snookeroo: "I'm asking YOU, do YOU think they sold out?" BATB -- (No Response).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 13, 2012 17:55:22 GMT -5
You see BATB, this is where you're in some kind of la-la land. Why would, or should, Ringo feel any reason to acknowledge Pete's involvement in the group? Ringo owes absolutely nothing to Pete. He was offered a nice job and took it. In fact he was very professional in telling Brian that it couldn't be immediately because he wanted Rory Storm to have a chance to replace him. Why in the world should Pete and/or Stu be "thanked" at the R&RHOF? Come to think of it, dDid they thank Brian Epstein and George Martin, without whom. And by the way, I don't think BATB acknowledged your point about Martin and Epstein not being thanked either, but I could be forgetting if he did . (I wonder if he needed a couple weeks research to respond to your point as well).
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 13, 2012 20:51:20 GMT -5
Maybe BATB can be replaced by someone who will fit in better.
Just kidding but he did seem to have that one agenda. I don't think he ever commented on anything without tying it back to Pete Best.
My favorite Beatle is Paul. McCartney, Ram and Band on the Run are my top three Paul albums. I'm intent to defend that these albums are great, now, then and forever. But that's certainly not my only interest and reason to be here.
Batb never did lighten up, take a step back and laugh about it all.
60 Minutes, the classic exposé show, had to have its Andy Rooney.
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Post by mikev on Mar 13, 2012 21:57:28 GMT -5
Maybe BATB can be replaced by someone who will fit in better. Just kidding but he did seem to have that one agenda. I don't think he ever commented on anything without tying it back to Pete Best. My favorite Beatle is Paul. McCartney, Ram and Band on the Run are my top three Paul albums. I'm intent to defend that these albums are great, now, then and forever. But that's certainly not my only interest and reason to be here. Batb never did lighten up, take a step back and laugh about it all. 60 Minutes, the classic exposé show, had to have its Andy Rooney. BATB wasn't even this board's Mickey Rooney ;D
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Post by Snookeroo on Mar 14, 2012 8:20:52 GMT -5
Did you really go back through this whole thread to handpick those comments out? I'm quite sure that the "la la land" comment was not mine though. I do not have the wherewithall to make the trek back and look. The question about BATB being Pete's brother was not a joke. I meant it. Yes - I said he was being "silly". Can you imagine all the other names people can be called? How bad is it to be called "silly". You did say the "la la land" quote. (It was a good observation, by the way) . I don't care, but as I say, if you're going to talk about my style...) I hope we can still be buds. Honestly, Snooks... do you think this really gets us anywhere? Just let me (and others) respond to people how we choose, without correcting us or whining of train wrecks. Look where you and I are now because of you stepping in. So yes, I decided to go back and show 'the Pot calling the Kettle black'. I wish I didn't have to do so, but you seem so intent on always pointing a finger at people, so I just thought I'd show you've also been rough on BATB (though it's not hard to understand, as he is so thick ). ---- Of course we all have ways to rationalize things away ( " 'silly' isn't as bad as some other names"). "Thick" could have been a lot worse too! But whatever. BATB has made me (and others) frustrated with him at times. While checking the old posts I noticed there were simple questions you've asked him that he even refused to answer: Snookeroo: "Do you think The Beatles sold out?" BATB: "John Lennon said they sold out". Snookeroo: "I'm asking YOU, do YOU think they sold out?" BATB -- (No Response). Of course we're still buds Joe. As far as BATB not answering. That lack of response is a response.
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 7, 2012 9:30:34 GMT -5
I came across this photo I thought I'd share. It looks like a dressing room scene, probably from 1964?. What caught my eye is the paper Paul is reading. Is that a photo of Pete Best on the page Paul was looking at before he smiled for the camera - or is it the Big Three? Also, is that Mersey Beat? Pretty cool that Paul was still interested in the Liverpool music scene as the Beatles rose to fame. I'm sure that by this time Bill Harry gave them all free subscriptions :-)
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 7, 2012 10:30:24 GMT -5
That sure does look like Pete Best in the newspaper photo(click on photo to greatly enlarge).
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 14, 2012 21:06:37 GMT -5
I haven't read of of the Pete Best pages but I was rewatching Wingspan and I heard something I hadn't heard the fist time.
Paul "Why didn't Geof last too long? It like in the Beatles, we had Pete Best, who was a really good drummer. But there just was something. He wasn't quite like the rest of us. We had kind of a sense of humor in common. And he was nearly in with it all, but it's a fine line to what is exactly in and what is nearly."
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Post by RockoRoll on Oct 19, 2012 22:20:52 GMT -5
A video (on the 50th anniversary of *Love Me do*) on Pete Best talking about what it was like to be sacked from The Beatles (nothing new, poor guy, he has never gotten over it... )
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19813250
Still my fave 5th Beatle (always will be, the same with Stu)
On the funny side, here is a Stevie Riks video, with Brian Epstein firing Pete.....Cracks me up, every time I see it.....lol
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Post by beatlesfansunite on Sept 17, 2013 1:03:40 GMT -5
Just a few years ago in 2007 a seasoned musician named Peter Best was inducted in the All You Need is Liverpool Music Hall of Fame as its first Chartered Member. Pete Best was awarded a framed certificate and his band “The Pete Best Band” went on to perform. The city of Liverpool went on to name two streets in his honour. How did this come to be? Pete Best was the original drummer for the Beatles. It was actually Mona Best, Pete’s mother that led Pete to become a member of the infamous band from Liverpool. Mona Best ran a club called “The Casbah Coffee Club” in her cellar after moving there from Madras, a British part of India. The club had a large following, and was very popular with the youth of the day. Her son Pete and his band, the Black Jacks, played there, as did The Quarrymen, another up and coming young local group.
In the 1990s, Pete Best decided he could talk again about his time as a Beatle. He became a technical advisor on a television film about the Birth of the Beatles. He admits to owning some Beatles records and the followed their career. When Anthology 1 was released, he received substantial royalties from the sales, even though on the cover his picture was covered over with photo of Ringo! Pete Best was not included in any of the subsequent interviews or documentaries that followed the release of the album. After more than 20 years of turning down opportunities to play again, Pete played drums in public once again. Ironically, it was in 1988 at a Beatles convention in Liverpool. He performed with his brother, and they soon formed The Pete Best Band and began to tour successfully playing a mix of new and retro music. He released new music that same year in an album entitled Hayman’s Green. The cover of the album is black with one small torn out picture. It was the photo super-imposed with Ringo Starr’s face on the Anthology collage cover.
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Post by sayne on Jun 23, 2016 1:36:09 GMT -5
Don't know how many of you have seen this, but I thought I'd share. It's not often we get a chance to actually see Pete Best play drums. Most of us only have the still photos and quotes from people. As you can see, Pete was not bad.
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Post by sayne on Jun 23, 2016 1:39:06 GMT -5
I think this is a really good song:
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 23, 2016 5:26:14 GMT -5
Most of us only have the still photos and quotes from people. As you can see, Pete was not bad. Are you referring to now, or then? We also have the early 1960s audio recordings of Pete on drums, from the Decca Audition, early takes on "Love Me Do", and the Tony Sheridan Sessions. We can hear that he was pretty bad then -- no quotes, no photos required. Since this thread began some 6 years ago we now have Mark Lewisohn's TUNE IN book, and I think it pretty much seals the deal that Pete Best... though a nice guy.... was not a good drummer, at least not in the early '60s.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 23, 2016 7:44:15 GMT -5
I heard Pete with his band live at a Beatlefest in NJ a few years ago. They did a full hour of music. The Beatles made the right choice in 1962.
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Post by sayne on Jun 23, 2016 9:52:58 GMT -5
Most of us only have the still photos and quotes from people. As you can see, Pete was not bad. Are you referring to now, or then? We also have the early 1960s audio recordings of Pete on drums, from the Decca Audition, early takes on "Love Me Do", and the Tony Sheridan Sessions. We can hear that he was pretty bad then -- no quotes, no photos required. Since this thread began some 6 years ago we now have Mark Lewisohn's TUNE IN book, and I think it pretty much seals the deal that Pete Best... though a nice guy.... was not a good drummer, at least not in the early '60s. Did you not look at the attached video? Obviously, it is now, but it gives a hint of how he was back in the day. I'm not saying he was the best, nor am I saying he was better than Ringo. All I know is that even if he was better than Ringo, he was apparently not the RIGHT drummer. I know from experience that drummers with great technical ability might not be as good a fit for a band as one with lesser ability. Feel and groove matter.
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