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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 22, 2012 8:42:50 GMT -5
In case you haven't seen this, it's a wonderful coming together of Julian, Sean, Yoko, and Cynthia at Julian's Photographs Show in 2010.
Imagine Julian holding Yoko's hand and putting his arm around her, while Yoko credits Julian as being the biggest thing in their family. Imagine Yoko and Cynthia talking together, shooting the breeze and catching up on old gossip. It's all here:
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 22, 2012 11:04:39 GMT -5
It is too bad the interviewer had to then after the fact ask Julian about it and Julian stating that he was surprised and "not sure" who was going to show up.
Leave it to the Press to make Julian analyze what was a nice thing. It is always that post-event analysis that reopens differences.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 22, 2012 13:32:42 GMT -5
In case you haven't seen this, it's a wonderful coming together of Julian, Sean, Yoko, and Cynthia at Julian's Photographs Show in 2010. Imagine Julian holding Yoko's hand and putting his arm around her, while Yoko credits Julian as being the biggest thing in their family. Imagine Yoko and Cynthia talking together, shooting the breeze and catching up on old gossip. It's all here: I missed this when it aired in 2010, but watching it now and seeing how really together Julian is at 48 years old (he has it much more together than his father ever did at any point in his life) is really something. He is older now than his dad was when he was killed. He has accepted so much grief in his life so well; 1) His dad was never really around when he was growing up. 2) He went years without even seeing his dad. 3) His parents divorced when he was 5 years old. 4) He had to put up with Yoko's crap of not giving him his proper share of his dad's estate when he was killed. 5) He's had to buy many of his his dad's Beatles mementos in auctions, paying big money. 6) He has had to live in his dad's shadow as a performer himself. He has really been a true big brother to his step-brother Sean, and really cares about him, taught him how to play the guitar, and has let go of his anger over Yoko's treatment of him in the estate battle because he doesn't want to damage his relationship with Sean. The guy is a real mensch...I have a lot of respect for him. Cynthia did a great job of raising him. She also deserves a lot of credit. You see none of the anger, and "chip on the shoulder" that his father carried his entire life over his own childhood experiences, which affected just about every relationship John had with anybody in his lifetime. And Julian certainly took as much sheit from his own father as John took from his broken home experiences.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 22, 2012 14:10:49 GMT -5
I missed this when it aired in 2010, but watching it now and seeing how really together Julian is at 48 years old (he has it much more together than his father ever did at any point in his life) is really something. He is older now than his dad was when he was killed. He has accepted so much grief in his life so well; 1) His dad was never really around when he was growing up. 2) He went years without even seeing his dad. 3) His parents divorced when he was 5 years old. 4) He had to put up with Yoko's crap of not giving him his proper share of his dad's estate when he was killed. 5) He's had to buy many of his his dad's Beatles mementos in auctions, paying big money. 6) He has had to live in his dad's shadow as a performer himself. He has really been a true big brother to his step-brother Sean, and really cares about him, taught him how to play the guitar, and has let go of his anger over Yoko's treatment of him in the estate battle because he doesn't want to damage his relationship with Sean. The guy is a real mensch...I have a lot of respect for him. Cynthia did a great job of raising him. She also deserves a lot of credit. You see none of the anger, and "chip on the shoulder" that his father carried his entire life over his own childhood experiences, which affected just about every relationship John had with anybody in his lifetime. And Julian certainly took as much sheit from his own father as John took from his broken home experiences. Poor baby Julian. I didn't have a father either. My parents divorced at childhood too. I was raised by my mom and my grandparents. But I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, either. I didn't start this thread to knock Julian, but what's the deal with bashing John here, lowbasso? I'm a firm believer that people are who they are by nature... so Julian had a "soft" personality while John had a more "rough" personality.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 22, 2012 19:35:38 GMT -5
He has really been a true big brother to his step-brother Sean Half-brother.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 23, 2012 1:18:57 GMT -5
He has really been a true big brother to his step-brother Sean Half-brother. I thought step-brother and half-brother are synonyms? Doesn't ones step brother have one common parent with you, either father or mother and a different other parent?
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 23, 2012 1:43:43 GMT -5
I missed this when it aired in 2010, but watching it now and seeing how really together Julian is at 48 years old (he has it much more together than his father ever did at any point in his life) is really something. He is older now than his dad was when he was killed. He has accepted so much grief in his life so well; 1) His dad was never really around when he was growing up. 2) He went years without even seeing his dad. 3) His parents divorced when he was 5 years old. 4) He had to put up with Yoko's crap of not giving him his proper share of his dad's estate when he was killed. 5) He's had to buy many of his his dad's Beatles mementos in auctions, paying big money. 6) He has had to live in his dad's shadow as a performer himself. He has really been a true big brother to his step-brother Sean, and really cares about him, taught him how to play the guitar, and has let go of his anger over Yoko's treatment of him in the estate battle because he doesn't want to damage his relationship with Sean. The guy is a real mensch...I have a lot of respect for him. Cynthia did a great job of raising him. She also deserves a lot of credit. You see none of the anger, and "chip on the shoulder" that his father carried his entire life over his own childhood experiences, which affected just about every relationship John had with anybody in his lifetime. And Julian certainly took as much sheit from his own father as John took from his broken home experiences. Poor baby Julian. I didn't have a father either. My parents divorced at childhood too. I was raised by my mom and my grandparents. But I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, either. I didn't start this thread to knock Julian, but what's the deal with bashing John here, lowbasso? I'm a firm believer that people are who they are by nature... so Julian had a "soft" personality while John had a more "rough" personality. I disagree that people are who they are by nature. The early years of childhood have a great deal to do with how one's personality develops. Julian lost whatever silver spoon he had from his mostly absent father at age 5. Even John admitted he treated Julian pretty badly. I don't think you bashed Julian. On the contrary, the story shows how well Julian has adjusted to the life he was given, namely one without a father for most of his years. John lost his own father at an early age, as well as a mother who abandoned him to be raised by his aunt. John had a very comfortable childhood in terms of an Uncle and Aunt who gave him what he needed in terms of a home and schooling, but John didn't have a mother and father who showed any real interest in him until, in his mother's case, just a few short years leading to her untimely death, and in his father's case, until he was a world-famous Beatle, and his father came back to cash in on his son's fame. You and I both saw "Nowhere Boy" I'm sure. I did. John's adult "personality" was a result of TWO parents who didn't give a sh%# about him early on and this left an indellible scar on him which affected his relationship with everyone else in his lifetime. You mentioned you had a mother who continued to be a part of your life after your parents divorced. When John's mother finally came back into his life, it was for a very brief time and then she was ripped from him a second time due to her untimely death. That infuriated John even more. I'm not bashing John, just making an accurate observation on how his childhood afftected his personality as an adult. Julian, on the other hand, has seemed to manage the cards he was dealt in quite a different fashion in which he has not let it make him a bitter person who took out his frustrations on his friends and especially his step-brother. My comments are simply observations of two people who faced similar situations in childhood and how they let it affect them as adults. Very differently, in my opinion. And I admire Julian for how he has handled his situation.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 23, 2012 4:13:54 GMT -5
I thought step-brother and half-brother are synonyms? Doesn't ones step brother have one common parent with you, either father or mother and a different other parent? Half-brothers share one parent. Step-brothers are not blood relations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 5:00:45 GMT -5
Poor baby Julian. I didn't have a father either. My parents divorced at childhood too. I was raised by my mom and my grandparents. But I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, either. I didn't start this thread to knock Julian, but what's the deal with bashing John here, lowbasso? I'm a firm believer that people are who they are by nature... so Julian had a "soft" personality while John had a more "rough" personality. I disagree that people are who they are by nature. The early years of childhood have a great deal to do with how one's personality develops. Julian lost whatever silver spoon he had from his mostly absent father at age 5. Even John admitted he treated Julian pretty badly. I don't think you bashed Julian. On the contrary, the story shows how well Julian has adjusted to the life he was given, namely one without a father for most of his years. John lost his own father at an early age, as well as a mother who abandoned him to be raised by his aunt. John had a very comfortable childhood in terms of an Uncle and Aunt who gave him what he needed in terms of a home and schooling, but John didn't have a mother and father who showed any real interest in him until, in his mother's case, just a few short years leading to her untimely death, and in his father's case, until he was a world-famous Beatle, and his father came back to cash in on his son's fame. You and I both saw "Nowhere Boy" I'm sure. I did. John's adult "personality" was a result of TWO parents who didn't give a sh%# about him early on and this left an indellible scar on him which affected his relationship with everyone else in his lifetime. You mentioned you had a mother who continued to be a part of your life after your parents divorced. When John's mother finally came back into his life, it was for a very brief time and then she was ripped from him a second time due to her untimely death. That infuriated John even more. I'm not bashing John, just making an accurate observation on how his childhood afftected his personality as an adult. Julian, on the other hand, has seemed to manage the cards he was dealt in quite a different fashion in which he has not let it make him a bitter person who took out his frustrations on his friends and especially his step-brother. My comments are simply observations of two people who faced similar situations in childhood and how they let it affect them as adults. Very differently, in my opinion. And I admire Julian for how he has handled his situation. Good post lowbasso
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 23, 2012 6:50:18 GMT -5
I disagree that people are who they are by nature. The early years of childhood have a great deal to do with how one's personality develops. Julian lost whatever silver spoon he had from his mostly absent father at age 5. Even John admitted he treated Julian pretty badly. Julian's father simply being away on a job with The Beatles that called for him to be "out of town a lot" is in no way as traumatic as the things which John experienced with his parents. Yes, but you have to be careful when it comes to movies. They don't accurately represent all the facts and they take artistic liberties. In your original post you definitely boosted Julian by downgrading how John. And I still say their circumstances were not the same. I still feel people are basically who they are. They may try to make some changes in later life and try to "curb their attitudes", but I believe they have some sort of pre-disposition to be one way or another at the core. (I've read my share of self-help books over time - including the renowned Wayne Dyer. You don't just sit there thinking to yourself: "Hmmm.... it's time for me to make a choice"). And as I said, John just being away at work very often while Julian and mom were living in the home together in millionaire luxury is not the same as living with a strict auntie after John's parents abandoned him, or when little John had to choose between mommy and daddy, and when his mom was struck down by a car.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 23, 2012 12:11:59 GMT -5
There is a very enjoyable book on Family Psychiatry by John Cleese and Robin Skynner. One of the things it says, which is worth bearing in mind, is "It's not so much what our parents do to us, it's more what we[/i] do with what our parents do to us."
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Post by mikev on Mar 23, 2012 12:56:14 GMT -5
I thought step-brother and half-brother are synonyms? Doesn't ones step brother have one common parent with you, either father or mother and a different other parent? The Bradys are examples of "step"- siblings. They have no blood links.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 23, 2012 13:30:12 GMT -5
I disagree that people are who they are by nature. The early years of childhood have a great deal to do with how one's personality develops. Julian lost whatever silver spoon he had from his mostly absent father at age 5. Even John admitted he treated Julian pretty badly. Julian's father simply being away on a job with The Beatles that called for him to be "out of town a lot" is in no way as traumatic as the things which John experienced with his parents. It may not appear traumatic to us, but we can't imagine how it affected a small boy who rarely saw his father, and as John attested to; pay'd very little attention to him when he was home. Then after the divorce, in his boyhood/teenage years, how often did Julian ever see his father? A holiday here or there? As Vectis pointed out; how we deal with the way our parents treated us says a lot about how we turn out as adults. Julian is a "good" example of how one did not let his personality or relationships be dictated by the way he was treated, specifically, by his father while growing up. John, on the other hand, didn't seem to come out of his situation as well. (Not a bash, just a fact). The most moving thing Julian said in the story was that he forgave his father and understood now the pressures John was under during his heyday with The Beatles, on tour constantly, and his inability to be at home and give of his time to the nurturing of his first son. And after seeing how John completely changed in the late 70's, doting on his second son's early years, Julian's act of forgiving his father is all the more moving and shows a man at peace with himself and quite mature in his views. You really have to admire Julian in that respect. BTW; Julian's latest cause; Like father like son. John would be pleased.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 23, 2012 13:37:36 GMT -5
I thought step-brother and half-brother are synonyms? Doesn't ones step brother have one common parent with you, either father or mother and a different other parent? Half-brothers share one parent. Step-brothers are not blood relations. Ok, stand corrected. Julian and Sean are Half-brothers. My wife's father had three kids by his first wife before marrying my wife's mother, and she has always referred to them as step-brothers and step-sister. Guess the terms are often confused.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 23, 2012 14:42:47 GMT -5
I thought step-brother and half-brother are synonyms? Doesn't ones step brother have one common parent with you, either father or mother and a different other parent? The Bradys are examples of "step"- siblings. They have no blood links. And in Bonanza, the Cartwright boys were half-brothers because old Ben Cartwright was thrice widowed having one boy with each wife. Here's to putting popular culture to use as an educational tool! ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 23, 2012 15:03:25 GMT -5
Julian's father simply being away on a job with The Beatles that called for him to be "out of town a lot" is in no way as traumatic as the things which John experienced with his parents. It may not appear traumatic to us, but we can't imagine how it affected a small boy who rarely saw his father, and as John attested to; pay'd very little attention to him when he was home. Then after the divorce, in his boyhood/teenage years, how often did Julian ever see his father? A holiday here or there? I don't want to get into this for days and days, but I don't buy it. My father wasn't around either and I rarely saw him, and I didn't become "traumatized" by it. So it's like I said, we all have a basic nature and the same sorts of things affect individuals inherently differently. I congratulate Julian for finally waking up at nearly age 50 and smelling the coffee and getting his chin off from his chest. Finally realizing that his dad was only human and he was a big star with a lot of pressures and responsibilities with the group. I forgave my own father years and years and years ago already; but sometimes people are a bit 'slow'. John spent time seeing Julian in the 1970s before Sean was ever born. He let him drum on WALLS AND BRIDGES, gave him a greeting at the start of the HAPPY XMAS record, said "Hello, Julian!" in the middle of singing STAND BY ME on the OLD GREY WHISTLE TEST. Not every dad is perfect, and there was only so much John could do after the fact ... but John made up for it to Julian, and Julian said John died "just when we were getting so close" in 1980. So they'd gotten close when the boy was still a teenager. It took him way too long to let it all go, but hey, it's his life. This thread was made to show "peace" at last, not get into more skirmishes.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 23, 2012 18:40:23 GMT -5
Glad I was finally able to see the CBS story. Thanks for posting it.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 23, 2012 18:43:13 GMT -5
The Bradys are examples of "step"- siblings. They have no blood links. And in Bonanza, the Cartwright boys were half-brothers because old Ben Cartwright was thrice widowed having one boy with each wife. Here's to putting popular culture to use as an educational tool! ;D It waaas hard to believe Hoss and Little Joe were from the same set of genes....... The Brady Bunch was just too intellectual a show for me to comprehend, so I gave up on it..... ;D
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Post by sayne on Mar 23, 2012 21:50:59 GMT -5
The Bradys are examples of "step"- siblings. They have no blood links. And in Bonanza, the Cartwright boys were half-brothers because old Ben Cartwright was thrice widowed having one boy with each wife. Here's to putting popular culture to use as an educational tool! ;D Remember when Bill Wyman's son was going out with Bill Wyman's wife's mom (mother-in-law)? I think if they'd gotten married, he'd have been his father's step-father. It boggles the mind what the relations would be called if there were children involved. ;D
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Post by winstonoboogie on Mar 31, 2012 10:56:08 GMT -5
And in Bonanza, the Cartwright boys were half-brothers because old Ben Cartwright was thrice widowed having one boy with each wife. Here's to putting popular culture to use as an educational tool! ;D Remember when Bill Wyman's son was going out with Bill Wyman's wife's mom (mother-in-law)? I think if they'd gotten married, he'd have been his father's step-father. It boggles the mind what the relations would be called if there were children involved. ;D Wasn't the song "I'm My Own Grandpa" about a similar situation? (I know it was - allegedly- fiction, but still..... !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 0:12:11 GMT -5
Julian's not in the public too much nowadays, even after recently releasing a new album....
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 7, 2012 0:51:43 GMT -5
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Post by sallyg on Apr 13, 2012 7:32:11 GMT -5
Steve, thanks for posting this. It's good to know that Julian's basically happy with life and he's not angry at Paul.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 13, 2012 11:30:08 GMT -5
Steve, thanks for posting this. It's good to know that Julian's basically happy with life and he's not angry at Paul. Julian has been able to deal with the demons of his life, keep his life fairly stable, accept his musical abilities, and nurture his relationships with family and friends. Geez, wonder what side of the family he was able to acquire all those traits from........
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 15, 2012 21:40:52 GMT -5
Recent excerpt of Julian Lennon on a London talk show; He plays a new song off his recent album followed by an interview which invariably winds up being mostly about his dad and their relationship.
Interesting that Julian is now 49 years old and his voice is not as similiar to his dad's as it once was. But then, we never had a chance to hear John sing beyond the age of 40, so we'll never know how John would have sounded had he aged into his 50's and beyond.
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