lowbasso
A Hard Day's Knight
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 29, 2012 23:47:35 GMT -5
This was a headline today on news programs in the USA; "Starbucks revealed a food additive made from crushed beetles is used in the company's strawberry flavored drinks." Somebody better tell Paul and Ringo (and Pete) to steer clear of any Starbucks in their travels...... So did George's ashes really wind up in the Ganges River as Olivia said??
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 30, 2012 8:40:40 GMT -5
That is gross about Starbucks and damn-it the Strawberries and Cream Frappuccino is the only thing I ever got there! Bugs!? WTF! BTW, I hate when those who work there want tips. I don't tip at fastfood places. I tip real waitresses or waiters 20% because they don't get a full hourly rate. I don't tip at Starbucks or anywhere where I am not waited on fully. Bringing my food out after I order from the counter doesn't count either.
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Post by sayne on Mar 30, 2012 15:12:08 GMT -5
Most of you all know that I'm a vegetarian, so I'm quite glad that I've never ordered the strawberry frapp - I'm a cararmel frapp guy.
Don't think you non-vegetarians should get too "anthraxed" about this food coloring, though. It's an extract that has been used for centuries. I seem to recall that it went out of favor when artificial colorings were invented, but came back when people began to be concerned about the harmful effects of chemically made food colorings.
You all have, most likely been ingesting it already. It's found in alcoholic, gelatins, sausages, jams, poultry, marinades, meat, cookies, desserts, juices, cheddar cheese and other dairy products. It's even in cosmetics, so you've probably kissed the ingredient.
The main problem is not the use, but the lack on labeling. I think there are laws that say it needs to be labeled if this extract is being used, which for vegetarians and vegans, of course, would be nice to know. But, for you all who are meat eaters anyway, you shouldn't be so squeamish. For, after all, there's no difference between a dead cow, dead fish, dead frog, dead snail, dead lobster, dead squirrel, etc. Some of you will even swallow the worm in tequila. If one chooses to eat dead animals, it's all fair game (unintended pun), I guess.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Mar 30, 2012 17:36:18 GMT -5
I usually just get coffee at Starbucks and no more. Never got this frappe and glad I didn't. I hate ugly additives.
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Post by sayne on Mar 30, 2012 19:52:01 GMT -5
I usually just get coffee at Starbucks and no more. Never got this frappe and glad I didn't. I hate ugly additives. I'm sure there were a couple of bugs trapped amongst the coffee beans. Which is why I think it is impossible to be 100% vegan. Plastic bags, tires, and glue are some of the things with animals. Sure, I could use paper bags, but what if glue was used to make the bag? How would I know. I could make sure the glue I bought was animal friendly, but what about that piano or violin I bought that used animal derived glue? Do I not ride in cars or on bikes with tires that used animal stuff to make the rubber more pliant? How would I know? I try to be as animal free as I can, but I'm no vegan. I commend those who attempt to be 100% animal free, but I don't think it really is possible. Even seeing a fireworks display would subject a person to experience the results of an animal product.
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Post by scousette on Mar 30, 2012 22:25:01 GMT -5
I usually just get coffee at Starbucks and no more. Never got this frappe and glad I didn't. I hate ugly additives. I get my Venti straight up.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 31, 2012 6:06:36 GMT -5
I usually just get coffee at Starbucks and no more. Never got this frappe and glad I didn't. I hate ugly additives. I'm sure there were a couple of bugs trapped amongst the coffee beans. Which is why I think it is impossible to be 100% vegan. Plastic bags, tires, and glue are some of the things with animals. Sure, I could use paper bags, but what if glue was used to make the bag? How would I know. I could make sure the glue I bought was animal friendly, but what about that piano or violin I bought that used animal derived glue? Do I not ride in cars or on bikes with tires that used animal stuff to make the rubber more pliant? How would I know? I try to be as animal free as I can, but I'm no vegan. I commend those who attempt to be 100% animal free, but I don't think it really is possible. Even seeing a fireworks display would subject a person to experience the results of an animal product. I suppose a person can try to be as "animal free" as conciously possible, but I don't think it really accomplishes anything in the long run, because everyone else is still using animals and the practice will never stop by a minority effort.
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Post by sayne on Mar 31, 2012 9:31:38 GMT -5
I suppose a person can try to be as "animal free" as conciously possible, but I don't think it really accomplishes anything in the long run, because everyone else is still using animals and the practice will never stop by a minority effort. I can't speak for all vegetarians or vegans, but I think lifestyle choices are not really meant to "change the world." They are preferences that one makes for themselves. It makes them feel good and makes them feel that they are taking care of their needs and it's the right thing for them. Now, I'm only addressing the narrow point of eating, rather than the global issue of animal rights. Although it would be great if everyone had their own food gardens, I don't think my little tomato garden is going to make any impact ecologically to the world. It's just something that works for me. I do question, though, that the minority view of vegetarianism will "never" accomplish anything. There have always been vegetarians, but vegetarianism as a movement is relatively new. If one merely looks at the number of veggie products in mainstream stores, one can see that the concept is growing and becoming more "normal." I think as stories like the cochineal beetle extract or pink slime in ground meat become more common, people will eventually actually look at the labels of the products they are eating. At some point, the economics and the ecology and the psychology will reach a tipping point that most people will see. I'm confident that 2112 will be a far more plant-based year than 2012.
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Post by mikev on Mar 31, 2012 11:21:47 GMT -5
I suppose a person can try to be as "animal free" as conciously possible, but I don't think it really accomplishes anything in the long run, because everyone else is still using animals and the practice will never stop by a minority effort. I can't speak for all vegetarians or vegans, but I think lifestyle choices are not really meant to "change the world." They are preferences that one makes for themselves. It makes them feel good and makes them feel that they are taking care of their needs and it's the right thing for them. Now, I'm only addressing the narrow point of eating, rather than the global issue of animal rights. Although it would be great if everyone had their own food gardens, I don't think my little tomato garden is going to make any impact ecologically to the world. It's just something that works for me. I do question, though, that the minority view of vegetarianism will "never" accomplish anything. There have always been vegetarians, but vegetarianism as a movement is relatively new. If one merely looks at the number of veggie products in mainstream stores, one can see that the concept is growing and becoming more "normal." I think as stories like the cochineal beetle extract or pink slime in ground meat become more common, people will eventually actually look at the labels of the products they are eating. At some point, the economics and the ecology and the psychology will reach a tipping point that most people will see. I'm confident that 2112 will be a far more plant-based year than 2012. If I could organize myself and maintain a steady diet which includes avacado, brussell sprouts, almonds, celery, brocolli, corn, peas, beans, asparagus, artichoke hearts, whole grain pasta with pure tomato sauce and beets, plus fruits- I could almost become a vegetarian. I do have to cut out red meats. Bum man would I miss my seafood!
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Post by sayne on Mar 31, 2012 11:38:05 GMT -5
If I could organize myself and maintain a steady diet which includes avacado, brussell sprouts, almonds, celery, brocolli, corn, peas, beans, asparagus, artichoke hearts, whole grain pasta with pure tomato sauce and beets, plus fruits- I could almost become a vegetarian . . . My wife says I'm the only non-vegetable/non-fresh food eating vegetarian in the world. Yesterday, I had cereal and almond milk w/jarred pears, peaches, and frozen blueberries. For lunch, I had leftover fettucini alfredo w/veggie meatballs, no spring vegetables in it. For dinner, I had 2 veggie dogs with onion rings. Not very healthy or vegetable heavy. ;D
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lowbasso
A Hard Day's Knight
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 31, 2012 12:46:32 GMT -5
I can't speak for all vegetarians or vegans, but I think lifestyle choices are not really meant to "change the world." They are preferences that one makes for themselves. It makes them feel good and makes them feel that they are taking care of their needs and it's the right thing for them. Now, I'm only addressing the narrow point of eating, rather than the global issue of animal rights. Although it would be great if everyone had their own food gardens, I don't think my little tomato garden is going to make any impact ecologically to the world. It's just something that works for me. I do question, though, that the minority view of vegetarianism will "never" accomplish anything. There have always been vegetarians, but vegetarianism as a movement is relatively new. If one merely looks at the number of veggie products in mainstream stores, one can see that the concept is growing and becoming more "normal." I think as stories like the cochineal beetle extract or pink slime in ground meat become more common, people will eventually actually look at the labels of the products they are eating. At some point, the economics and the ecology and the psychology will reach a tipping point that most people will see. I'm confident that 2112 will be a far more plant-based year than 2012. If I could organize myself and maintain a steady diet which includes avacado, brussell sprouts, almonds, celery, brocolli, corn, peas, beans, asparagus, artichoke hearts, whole grain pasta with pure tomato sauce and beets, plus fruits- I could almost become a vegetarian. I do have to cut out red meats. Bum man would I miss my seafood! Do you roast your veggies, like Brussel Sprouts and asparagus and artichoke hearts in the oven? Put a little virgin olive oil on them and a favorite seasoning (I have a spice I buy in Florence, Italy which is sea salt, rosemary, basil mix) on them, and roast (Sprouts- cut in half or quarter, depending on their size; 20-25 minutes at 350) (Asparagus; 15 minutes at 325). I just love roasted veggies!
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Post by mikev on Mar 31, 2012 13:24:26 GMT -5
If I could organize myself and maintain a steady diet which includes avacado, brussell sprouts, almonds, celery, brocolli, corn, peas, beans, asparagus, artichoke hearts, whole grain pasta with pure tomato sauce and beets, plus fruits- I could almost become a vegetarian. I do have to cut out red meats. Bum man would I miss my seafood! Do you roast your veggies, like Brussel Sprouts and asparagus and artichoke hearts in the oven? Put a little virgin olive oil on them and a favorite seasoning (I have a spice I buy in Florence, Italy which is sea salt, rosemary, basil mix) on them, and roast (Sprouts- cut in half or quarter, depending on their size; 20-25 minutes at 350) (Asparagus; 15 minutes at 325). I just love roasted veggies! Yes olive oil and garlic- turns my breath into "the Beast". I forgot zuchinni and cucumbers...grilled zuchinni.
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