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Post by joeyself on Dec 13, 2010 12:12:59 GMT -5
DARK HORSE, Side 2 vs. SPEED OF SOUND, Side 2
DARK HORSE, Side 2
1. "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" – 3:40
2. "Dark Horse" – 3:54
3. "Far East Man" (George Harrison, Ronnie Wood) – 5:52
4. "It Is "He" (Jai Sri Krishna)" – 4:50
WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND, Side 2
1. "Silly Love Songs" 5:53
2. "Cook of the House" 2:37
3. "Time to Hide" 4:32
4. "Must Do Something About It" 3:42
5. "San Ferry Anne" 2:06
6. "Warm and Beautiful" 3:12
Two more matches in the first round after this one. I'll try to go back and bump up any that are still close.
JcS
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 13, 2010 12:23:48 GMT -5
I gotta go with Wings if only because who the hell would write a song called Ding Dong Ding Dong??
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Post by joeyself on Dec 13, 2010 13:40:12 GMT -5
Wings wins, easily.
"Ding Dong" was the worst single released by an ex-Beatle during the 70's. "Dark Horse" is OK--I bought the single in 1974--but the poor quality of George's voice grates on me. The other two are just tedious.
SOS, on the other hand, has a nice-but-not-great "Silly Love Songs," a good Denny Laine track, a wonderful vocal by Joe English on "Must Do Something" about it, and the other three are all passable. That's right, I said Linda McCartney's track is passable.
JcS
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Post by mikev on Dec 13, 2010 15:04:39 GMT -5
wow=two general clunkers side by side.
Cook of the House rivals some of Yoko's worst cat yells.
I've always liked Warm and Beautiful and still think that is George on the slide guitar. Silly Love Songs love it or hate it was a monster "Manilow-like" single that Lennon would never have allowed, yet was supposedly envious it was so successful.
Dark Hoarse is a great great tune to me, but doesn't carry the LP.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 13, 2010 17:59:31 GMT -5
This one's tough, as both sides stink.
The best song of all here for me is Paul's big hit, SILLY LOVE SONGS. But that's only one song off this entire side of SOS that I enjoy. I don't care for any of the others there. Maybe I can squeak TIME TO HIDE through, I dunno.
With George's side, I can tolerate DING DONG and I especially like the song DARK HORSE .... and that's all.
So which side takes it for me??
Hmm. I'll go with Paul's side. SILLY LOVE SONGS alone is better than both DING DONG and DARK HORSE.
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 13, 2010 19:17:49 GMT -5
SOS, easily.
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Post by nine on Dec 13, 2010 21:29:15 GMT -5
DARK HORSE, Side 2 vs. SPEED OF SOUND, Side 2 DARK HORSE, Side 2 1. "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" – 3:40 2. "Dark Horse" – 3:54 3. "Far East Man" (George Harrison, Ronnie Wood) – 5:52 4. "It Is "He" (Jai Sri Krishna)" – 4:50 WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND, Side 2 1. "Silly Love Songs" 5:53 2. "Cook of the House" 2:37 3. "Time to Hide" 4:32 4. "Must Do Something About It" 3:42 5. "San Ferry Anne" 2:06 6. "Warm and Beautiful" 3:12 Two more matches in the first round after this one. I'll try to go back and bump up any that are still close. JcS I decided to ignore two of Paul's tracks here, Cook Of The House and Must Do Something About It. Now I have four songs verses four. I enjoy the Dark Horse album but I have a soft spot for San Ferry Anne and Silly Love Songs works for me... On the other hand I enjoy the words of Ding Dong and love the other three GH songs. A tough one. I am not a fan of Warm and Beautiful. I like Time To Hide but that's Denny's... This is a tough call for me.... but just because of Dark Horse (the track) and It Is He I will go George this time... |
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Post by joeyself on Dec 13, 2010 22:53:15 GMT -5
I decided to ignore two of Paul's tracks here, Cook Of The House and Must Do Something About It. Now I have four songs verses four. ... I like Time To Hide but that's Denny's... This is a tough call for me.... but just because of Dark Horse (the track) and It Is He I will go George this time... How you, or anyone else, decides the matter is up to you, but Denny's song (and those two you ignored) are part of the listening experience for the side as a whole. That's the standard *I* use, but impose it on no one else. JcS |
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Post by coachbk on Dec 14, 2010 0:07:08 GMT -5
An easy win for SOS. I listened to this side a ton when it came out. I think "Silly Love Songs" is very misunderstood. It is an excellent answer to those who criticized Paul's post Beatles music. Plus the bass is great. "Time To Hide" is Denny Laine's best song. "Must Do Something About It" is really nice. Joe English sounds good. "San Ferry Anne" has excellent horns. "Warm And Beautiful" is one of Paul's best lesser known ballads. "Cook Of The House" isn't terible (but it ain't great either).
On the other hand, while "Dark Horse" was a decent single (with a weak vocal) I agree that "Ding Dong Ding Dong" is poor. One of the few Beatles solo hits I don't ever get excited about if it comes on the radio. "Is It He" is kind of embarrassing. Sounds like a parody of a Harrison song. "Far East Man" is OK, but this is a weak and skimpy side.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 14, 2010 0:30:15 GMT -5
Hari's Side
Contrary to most people, I think Ding Dong is a great New Year song, ringing out the old, and ringing in the new (to coin a phrase!). The tune and its arrangement are spot on for this genre of song.
Dark Horse is excellent: some people dislike the hoarse vocal, but for me it's a difference that matters. It gives the song an interesting character, besides being (as I've said before) a great aural pun.
Far East Man, though not for me (I find it very boring), is well-regarded by many. Ron Wood co-wrote it, and recorded a version himself.
And lastly, It Is He. I would love to have met and got to know George Harrison - I think I would love his sense of humor. A wobble board in a song to Krsna! Wow. George is always serious, but not often solemn. Here a song to god (serious) is sung to that silly instrument, a wobble board (not solemn at all).
Wings Side
Just rubbish from go to whoa. Hang your head in shame, McCartney: from that ridiculous and defiantly apologetic Silly Love Songs, to the abysmal Cook Of The House, you show yourself to be the master of .... nothing.
Hari gets my vote.
McCabe
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 14, 2010 5:53:09 GMT -5
that ridiculous and defiantly apologetic Silly Love Songs, "Defiant", certainly. "Apologetic?" Not a chance. What I love about it is the way Paul basically is saying "Screw you, I'm going to continue to do this whether you like it or not". I don't see him apologizing for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 6:48:07 GMT -5
DARK HORSE, Side 2 for me.....
George's side has 4 songs and 2 of them are quite good......
Paul's side has 6 songs and only 1 of them is quite good...
hence the way i voted.....
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Post by JCV on Dec 14, 2010 13:07:05 GMT -5
WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND, Side 2Sorry, George.  JCV 
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 14, 2010 14:06:07 GMT -5
DARK HORSE, Side 2 vs. SPEED OF SOUND, Side 2 DARK HORSE, Side 2 1. "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" – 3:40 2. "Dark Horse" – 3:54 3. "Far East Man" (George Harrison, Ronnie Wood) – 5:52 4. "It Is "He" (Jai Sri Krishna)" – 4:50 WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND, Side 2 1. "Silly Love Songs" 5:53 2. "Cook of the House" 2:37 3. "Time to Hide" 4:32 4. "Must Do Something About It" 3:42 5. "San Ferry Anne" 2:06 6. "Warm and Beautiful" 3:12 Two more matches in the first round after this one. I'll try to go back and bump up any that are still close. JcS I decided to ignore two of Paul's tracks here, Cook Of The House and Must Do Something About It. Now I have four songs verses four. I enjoy the Dark Horse album but I have a soft spot for San Ferry Anne and Silly Love Songs works for me... On the other hand I enjoy the words of Ding Dong and love the other three GH songs. A tough one. I am not a fan of Warm and Beautiful. I like Time To Hide but that's Denny's... This is a tough call for me.... but just because of Dark Horse (the track) and It Is He I will go George this time... Hey Time to Hide is part of the album and should be considered as such. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 14, 2010 14:55:52 GMT -5
that ridiculous and defiantly apologetic Silly Love Songs, "Defiant", certainly. "Apologetic?" Not a chance. What I love about it is the way Paul basically is saying "Screw you, I'm going to continue to do this whether you like it or not". I don't see him apologizing for it. I was thinking of lines like "what's wrong with that". Perhaps defensive is a better word than apologetic. In any case, surely one of the goofier songs that Paul McCartney penned. McCabe |
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Post by stavros on Dec 14, 2010 15:21:32 GMT -5
The factor that let's down Dark Horse (or hoarse as others have pointed out) is George's voice.
"Ding Dong" is just a New Years party song. I'm sure George meant it that way on a par with "Wonderful Christmastime" which is a Christmas party song. It's not particularly great but it's a bit of light hearted fun. And if you take it that way like Macc's perennial festive track it's alright. The rest of the album sounds like it has some potential if George had been allowed to record it in full voice. Alas he wasn't and so it falls short.
"Speed of Sound" is disappointing in my opinion. I am no real fan of "Silly Love Songs" despite it having an innovative bassline. The stand out track for me is "Time to Hide". Well done Denny Laine. He certainly wasn't John Lennon but was far more than the bit player to Paul history is starting to paint him as. Joe English's song and "Warm & Beautiful" are decent tracks.
So do I put Paul through thanks to 2 of his band members or George with a sore throat?
I doubt either will survive much longer so I've cowardly gone with "Speed of Sound"
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 14, 2010 17:29:28 GMT -5
I was thinking of lines like "what's wrong with that". Perhaps defensive is a better word than apologetic. That works for me. Ah, but consider that that is the point! "You don't like silly love songs, eh? Well -- here's an extra-silly one just for you!" I like the way Paul just basically just sings "I....... love...... you"...! I definitely admit a strong nostalgic bias for liking this song. I was just becoming a really big, diehard Beatles fan in 1976, and I was 14 when this was a hit. It was a huge blockbuster which reminds me of the days of childhood and going to the beach, with it blasting out of everyone's AM radios. But even putting that fondness aside, I really think it's a fun song with a great tune, bassline, and sentiment ... and even more enjoyable when one realizes the bonus (which I don't think I realized as a kid) that Paul was sending a message and being sarcastic with it. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 15, 2010 0:02:19 GMT -5
"Speed of Sound" is disappointing in my opinion. I am no real fan of "Silly Love Songs" despite it having an innovative bassline. The stand out track for me is "Time to Hide". Well done Denny Laine. He certainly wasn't John Lennon but was far more than the bit player to Paul history is starting to paint him as. Joe English's song and "Warm & Beautiful" are decent tracks. Great post stavros! Denny Laine was much more important to Paul than any of us realized back then when Wings imploded. I reread Paul and Linda's 1984 Playboy interview tonight and Linda right off the bat says how crappy the guys in Wings were and Paul was making his best post-Beatles music for the soon to be released Broadstreet movie(she really does!) but later, when Paul starts praising the Wings material, Linda does an about face and starts fawning on Wings! What a silly old cow she was! |
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Post by nine on Dec 15, 2010 3:58:45 GMT -5
I decided to ignore two of Paul's tracks here, Cook Of The House and Must Do Something About It. Now I have four songs verses four. I enjoy the Dark Horse album but I have a soft spot for San Ferry Anne and Silly Love Songs works for me... On the other hand I enjoy the words of Ding Dong and love the other three GH songs. A tough one. I am not a fan of Warm and Beautiful. I like Time To Hide but that's Denny's... This is a tough call for me.... but just because of Dark Horse (the track) and It Is He I will go George this time... Hey Time to Hide is part of the album and should be considered as such. Fair enough. I actually really enjoy Time To Hide.. a mate of mine's brother and his band used to cover this about 25 tears ago and it sounded great live.... Denny was a great sidekick to Paul.... |
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 15, 2010 16:05:13 GMT -5
I'm going with SOS because I love it.
It's not going to win any awards but I can put it on and enjoy it. It also captured Wings at the peak of their popularity with the massive WOA tour. It's also one of the Big 3 starting from BOTR not the best of the 3 but a good bookend to this era of Wings studio albums. This side is the weaker of the two but it still has the big hit Silly Love Songs and Denny's great Time to Hide. The rest of the songs are good too with only San Ferry Anne and Cook of the House that could be called filler IMO.
Dark Horse is just boring and has no point to it IMO. What is the point of listening to this album ? There are no decent songs except for the title track, the rest is just garbage IMO.
Sorry George but that was a shocker.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 16, 2010 14:59:02 GMT -5
Thanks to nine's Dark Horse Thread from earlier this year, I played DH for several nights, more than I had in the past 34 years! I kind of dug it. I do like "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" and "Dark Horse" and "Far East Man" is growing on me. "It Is 'He''" is bouncy enough if otherwise forgetable. SOS-2 is very pleasant but pleasant doesn't equal great, does it? My favorite song(and I do love it) is "San Ferry Anne" as Paul, for once, had the inherent good sense to keep it to 2:06 in time. On the Driving Rain album, Paul might have stretched this song out to 10 minutes like "Rinse The Raindrops." I can't believe it but I'm voting DH-2!  |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 17, 2010 0:27:28 GMT -5
Thanks to nine's Dark Horse Thread from earlier this year, I played DH for several nights, more than I had in the past 34 years! I kind of dug it. I do like "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" and "Dark Horse" and "Far East Man" is growing on me. "It Is 'He''" is bouncy enough if otherwise forgetable. SOS-2 is very pleasant but pleasant doesn't equal great, does it? My favorite song(and I do love it) is "San Ferry Anne" as Paul, for once, had the inherent good sense to keep it to 2:06 in time. On the Driving Rain album, Paul might have stretched this song out to 10 minutes like "Rinse The Raindrops." I can't believe it but I'm voting DH-2! Does anyone know what San Ferry Anne is about? "Dressed like a dream and if things are what they seem...Your little man brings you trinkets when he can but he can't stay dear...So go be gay, let your feelings leap away into the laughter... San FERRY Anne and the world (will still) keep turning... " Its clear Paul is giving a nod to the "queer" world of same sex sex. Paul uses the device of switching genders to throw people off the meaning--here by using the name Anne and then a variation of the word fairy. Is this well known or am I going over old ground? I don't think its old because I have seen no reference to its meaning. And its not because it doesn't have one. Am I over-thinking this or not? I don't think the subject is really a woman. BTW Warm and Beautiful is one of Paul's best melodies: |
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 17, 2010 8:54:29 GMT -5
You are overthinking things fairly drastically here. "San Ferry Anne" is a rather quaint expression brought back by British soldiers serving in France during WW1 and 2. It isn't used very much these days, but it was quite commonplace in the post war years, so McCartney would have been very familiar with it. It is what English soldiers made of the French expression, "Ca ne fait rien" - literally "it does nothing", but meaning "it doesn't matter, it's OK, don't worry about it." "Let it be", if you will. I think the same sex interpretation is absolutely totally mistaken, especially when you take into account that you're not looking at disguised "fairy." Sometimes a lyric is just a bunch of words making some sort of sense. There's times when we all need to rest our brains for a bit - this may be one of them, RTP!  |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 17, 2010 20:37:11 GMT -5
You are overthinking things fairly drastically here. "San Ferry Anne" is a rather quaint expression brought back by British soldiers serving in France during WW1 and 2. It isn't used very much these days, but it was quite commonplace in the post war years, so McCartney would have been very familiar with it. It is what English soldiers made of the French expression, "Ca ne fait rien" - literally "it does nothing", but meaning "it doesn't matter, it's OK, don't worry about it." "Let it be", if you will. I think the same sex interpretation is absolutely totally mistaken, especially when you take into account that you're not looking at disguised "fairy." Sometimes a lyric is just a bunch of words making some sort of sense. There's times when we all need to rest our brains for a bit - this may be one of them, RTP! Your response intrigues me even more about the song's meaning rather than being discouraging. Notice the significance of the original meaning of the phrase as you apply it to gays. What he is saying is it doesn't matter (to him anyway) if you are gay, don't worry about it, "so go be gay" it doesn't offend him. Its ok, the world will keep turning (happy every after). I think I am on to something here. I know many think Paul isn't capable of such depth of meaning. ;D |
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 17, 2010 20:55:26 GMT -5
sigh
<vectisfabber takes five pound note out of left pocket, pays it to self because has just won bet with self>
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Post by joeyself on Dec 17, 2010 22:11:56 GMT -5
sigh <vectisfabber takes five pound note out of left pocket, pays it to self because has just won bet with self> This Self would have won money on that one, too, if you'd let me pick which side I wanted to take... JcS |
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Post by theman on Dec 18, 2010 15:40:13 GMT -5
... and even more enjoyable when one realizes the bonus (which I don't think I realized as a kid) that Paul was sending a message and being sarcastic with it. I always thought that, in addition to the sarcasm of the song, there was a bit of naughtiness--typically not associated with Macca--from the line..."love doesn't come in a minute, sometimes it doesn't come at all." Then again, maybe I'm just having an RTP moment:) |
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