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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 21, 2011 23:18:36 GMT -5
By the way, all RAM lovers - Can I recommend (again!) that you look to investigate the MONO version of RAM? It is much punchier than the stereo version, and some tracks are mixed noticeably differently. Paul remixed the album especially in mono for ease of (AM) radio play: the mono LP was sent to several stations in the US, but not very many: which is why it is so rare. I read a comment on another board a while ago that STEREO RAM = pop, but MONO RAM = rock. That's overstating the situation, but the soft feel that many think runs through stereo RAM is much less evident on the mono version. I would post a link here, but that is forbidden. But a pm to me will give you satisfaction. McCabe I've heard the mono RAM, and didn't find that I took anything more from the listening experience from mono than I did stereo. I mean, "Smile Away" and "Long Haired Lady" were still annoying, "Dear Boy" and "Too Many People" were still great. The variation in the mixes--in some cases, very slight indeed--just didn't make a weak song stronger to me. JcS Well, I agree that Uncle Albert is still asinine in mono - as it is in stereo. But that's not the point. The mix is clearer, and the emphasis on various instruments is different. Mind you, I think you need good gear on which to hear it: your iPod (or iRiver ), your computer speakers, your car will not show up the different mix very well. The tracks I find that struck me as better (mix-wise) in mono are: Too many People, 3 Legs, Ram On, Smile Away, Monkberry Moon Delight. McCabe
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 21, 2011 23:23:28 GMT -5
Myself, I've always loved that psychedelic kinda' stoner music, which is what UNCLE ALBERT kinda' is, ain't it? It's hard to define psychedelia, especially as the UK/European psych genre is much gentler than the US. However, I think most would agree that Unle Albert/Admiral Halsey is not psychedelic - at all. Sure its author was a pothead, even a few times dropped acid, but - ironically - never wrote a psychedelic piece in his life. McCabe
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 22, 2011 6:35:03 GMT -5
What, you mean this bit? I refrained, because of your troubles with your wife. I wanted to stay well away from commenting on any such angle, for fear of stepping on your toes, and opening fresh wounds. I not only meant that bit, but there was more there than just the "hands across the water" part. I don't know why you're avoiding all the text of why I enjoy the song itself (aside from nostalgia), especially since you asked for it. As for the angle with my ex-wife, it has nothing to do with it. I felt similarly about that "husband/wife" side of the song even when I was a kid, and years before I myself was ever married. Yes, 'genuinely' was what I meant to write. Thanks for the (unintended) compliment. Because I see paranoia as "Heightened Awareness", and it has served me well most of the time throughout my life, far too much of the time to be considered some sort of a disadvantage; like looking before I leapt, having a backup plan just in case, very often "thinking ahead" ... that sort of thing. Oh, sure, there have been times in my life where I was wrong about something I may have perceived (there I am admitting when I'm wrong again, for Jason )... but overall my difficulties in life have usually stemmed from other people's NOT thinking things through enough, and not being more acutely aware themselves; not I. If others im my dealings had more of a knack for "heightened awareness", it would have saved me a lot of grief. Nice try, but what I said was really the truth, it's just that I wasn't the first one of us to say so. When you mentioned it first I just thought I'd let you know you're not alone there. It's one thing when kids say "the same to you!" only to have a comeback but they don't really mean it. But in actuality, I do laugh at you every day of my life, especially when I'm praying. But don't worry, as I also feel sorry for you too.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 22, 2011 6:46:02 GMT -5
By the way, all RAM lovers - Can I recommend (again!) that you look to investigate the MONO version of RAM? It is much punchier than the stereo version, and some tracks are mixed noticeably differently. Paul remixed the album especially in mono for ease of (AM) radio play: the mono LP was sent to several stations in the US, but not very many: which is why it is so rare. I read a comment on another board a while ago that STEREO RAM = pop, but MONO RAM = rock. That's overstating the situation, but the soft feel that many think runs through stereo RAM is much less evident on the mono version. I would post a link here, but that is forbidden. But a pm to me will give you satisfaction. McCabe I've heard the mono RAM, and didn't find that I took anything more from the listening experience from mono than I did stereo. I mean, "Smile Away" and "Long Haired Lady" were still annoying, "Dear Boy" and "Too Many People" were still great. The variation in the mixes--in some cases, very slight indeed--just didn't make a weak song stronger to me. JcS That's because McCabe's gear is the only worthwhile gear to hear music on. But however special it might be, it certainly prevents him from enjoying a lot of good music!
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Post by joeyself on Jan 22, 2011 9:21:40 GMT -5
Well, I agree that Uncle Albert is still asinine in mono - as it is in stereo. But that's not the point. The mix is clearer, and the emphasis on various instruments is different. Mind you, I think you need good gear on which to hear it: your iPod (or iRiver ), your computer speakers, your car will not show up the different mix very well.... McCabe Could be; I don't have anything one would call "good gear" and do most of my listening on ear buds or in my car. But the times I have heard different mixes--mono vs. stereo--on good equipment, it was still the quality of the song and the instrumentation that made me either like or dislike the work. To be sure, I can prefer one mix over another, but I'm not going to like to hear one over the other if I don't like the song in the first place. JcS
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 22, 2011 14:22:14 GMT -5
To be sure, I can prefer one mix over another, but I'm not going to like to hear one over the other if I don't like the song in the first place. Quite: who is claiming otherwise? McCabe
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 22, 2011 14:27:37 GMT -5
That's because McCabe's gear is the only worthwhile gear to hear music on. But however special it might be, it certainly prevents him from enjoying a lot of good music! Well, no: as I've said before, my audio gear is good, but no better than that. But it sure beats earbuds, car stereos and the like. McCabe
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 22, 2011 14:38:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the (unintended) compliment. Because I see paranoia as "Heightened Awareness", and it has served me well most of the time throughout my life, far too much of the time to be considered some sort of a disadvantage; like looking before I leapt, having a backup plan just in case, very often "thinking ahead" ... that sort of thing. Oh, sure, there have been times in my life where I was wrong about something I may have perceived (there I am admitting when I'm wrong again, for Jason )... but overall my difficulties in life have usually stemmed from other people's NOT thinking things through enough, and not being more acutely aware themselves; not I. If others im my dealings had more of a knack for "heightened awareness", it would have saved me a lot of grief. I had written a lengthy response to this, and then decided not to post it. Sufficient to say, that what you wrote there explains a lot. Now, that is really scary. But it adds to the profile that you're giving us, and explains even more ... McCabe
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 23, 2011 0:51:19 GMT -5
1972 saw the release of Exile On Main Street by The Rolling Stones and STINYC by John and Yoko. Both albums have in common very poignant tributes to Angela Davis.
John and Yoko's "Angela" is a sweet duet with a rousing chorus. The Stones' go for that country blues sound with "Sweet Black Angel" and is one of Mick and Keith's most overtly political songs. It too is very melodic and pretty. Both songs have impassioned lyrics.
I think the two songs would make an amazing mash-up if it hasn't been done already.
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Post by acebackwords on Jan 24, 2011 13:57:20 GMT -5
Myself, I've always loved that psychedelic kinda' stoner music, which is what UNCLE ALBERT kinda' is, ain't it? It's hard to define psychedelia, especially as the UK/European psych genre is much gentler than the US. However, I think most would agree that Unle Albert/Admiral Halsey is not psychedelic - at all. Sure its author was a pothead, even a few times dropped acid, but - ironically - never wrote a psychedelic piece in his life. McCabe I reccomend "Cosmically Conscious" from Macca's "Off the Ground" album for a good example of McCartney's psychedelic music, albeit slightly tongue-in-cheek along the lines of the equally psychedelic "When We Was Fab." And might I remind you McCartney wrote the song "Magical Mystery Tour" -- inspired by Kesey's magic bus/Acid Tests trip. If that don't count as psychedelic I don't know what does. But yeah I agree with your point that "psychedelic" music is one of those phrases thats so open to personal interpretation its a tough genre to define specifically. With me I guess its like what the judge said about pornography: "I can't define what it is but I know it when I see it." But at the least I'd fight like a pig to stand by my definition of "Uncle Albert" as "stoner music." Like a lot of Macca's stuff.
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Post by mikev on Jan 24, 2011 14:21:29 GMT -5
It's hard to define psychedelia, especially as the UK/European psych genre is much gentler than the US. However, I think most would agree that Unle Albert/Admiral Halsey is not psychedelic - at all. Sure its author was a pothead, even a few times dropped acid, but - ironically - never wrote a psychedelic piece in his life. McCabe I reccomend "Cosmically Conscious" from Macca's "Off the Ground" album for a good example of McCartney's psychedelic music, albeit slightly tongue-in-cheek along the lines of the equally psychedelic "When We Was Fab." And might I remind you McCartney wrote the song "Magical Mystery Tour" -- inspired by Kesey's magic bus/Acid Tests trip. If that don't count as psychedelic I don't know what does. But yeah I agree with your point that "psychedelic" music is one of those phrases thats so open to personal interpretation its a tough genre to define specifically. With me I guess its like what the judge said about pornography: "I can't define what it is but I know it when I see it." But at the least I'd fight like a pig to stand by my definition of "Uncle Albert" as "stoner music." Like a lot of Macca's stuff. I nominate Penny Lane and Lovely Rita.
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Post by acebackwords on Jan 24, 2011 16:22:26 GMT -5
I reccomend "Cosmically Conscious" from Macca's "Off the Ground" album for a good example of McCartney's psychedelic music, albeit slightly tongue-in-cheek along the lines of the equally psychedelic "When We Was Fab." And might I remind you McCartney wrote the song "Magical Mystery Tour" -- inspired by Kesey's magic bus/Acid Tests trip. If that don't count as psychedelic I don't know what does. But yeah I agree with your point that "psychedelic" music is one of those phrases thats so open to personal interpretation its a tough genre to define specifically. With me I guess its like what the judge said about pornography: "I can't define what it is but I know it when I see it." But at the least I'd fight like a pig to stand by my definition of "Uncle Albert" as "stoner music." Like a lot of Macca's stuff. I nominate Penny Lane and Lovely Rita. Macca also wrote Hello Goodbye which has a slightly psychedelic flavor, as well as the line "I'd love to turn you o-o-o-nnnnn..." in the psychedellic classic Day in the Life.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 24, 2011 18:53:29 GMT -5
I nominate Penny Lane and Lovely Rita. Macca also wrote Hello Goodbye which has a slightly psychedelic flavor, as well as the line "I'd love to turn you o-o-o-nnnnn..." in the psychedellic classic Day in the Life. I think the closest Macca got to a psych song is Fixing A Hole. I'd give Lovely Rita an almost-as-good in the psych stakes. I honestly can't see Penny Lane as psych - perhaps the lyrics, but certainly not the music. I see Hello Goodbye in the same mould as Penny Lane: and for the same reasons. One line in A Day In the Life doesn't make Macca's contribution psychedelic - I'd say if anything his idea about the instruments in the orchestra playing their whole range is more psych. In any case, Macca does not approach those classic Beatle contributions to the psych genre - to name only a few: Rain, I'm Only Sleeping, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever, Only A Northern Song, It's All Too Much, Blue Jay Way. McCabe
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Post by mikev on Jan 24, 2011 19:25:10 GMT -5
Macca also wrote Hello Goodbye which has a slightly psychedelic flavor, as well as the line "I'd love to turn you o-o-o-nnnnn..." in the psychedellic classic Day in the Life. I think the closest Macca got to a psych song is Fixing A Hole. I'd give Lovely Rita an almost-as-good in the psych stakes. I honestly can't see Penny Lane as psych - perhaps the lyrics, but certainly not the music. I see Hello Goodbye in the same mould as Penny Lane: and for the same reasons. One line in A Day In the Life doesn't make Macca's contribution psychedelic - I'd say if anything his idea about the instruments in the orchestra playing their whole range is more psych. In any case, Macca does not approach those classic Beatle contributions to the psych genre - to name only a few: Rain, I'm Only Sleeping, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever, Only A Northern Song, It's All Too Much, Blue Jay Way. McCabe I guess Penny Lane is based on perspective. I think of it in the same vein as Pink Floyd's See Emily Play-It Would Be So Nice and Moody Blues Days of Future Passed. Perhaps that wasn't Paul's intent (although the video suggests it is), but they all looked to same to me in "fuzzy" college
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Post by Snookeroo on Jan 24, 2011 23:16:00 GMT -5
While I am a total fan of STINYC - it can't stack up to RAM here.
Funny thing for me regarding Uncle/Halsey - I don't seem to enjoy the song as much on it's own as I do within the context of the album.
And I'd like to thank McCabe for posting at least one time in this poll where he(?) didn't remind us that he hates the song I just mentioned.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 25, 2011 1:09:38 GMT -5
And I'd like to thank McCabe for posting at least one time in this poll where he(?) didn't remind us that he hates the song I just mentioned. I'm glad I made you happy. But it won't last: too many people ( ;D) praise the wretched thing for me to hold off from knocking it for long . But you make a good point where you say It's certainly better as part of the flow of the side, rather than a stand-alone song. It is one of the great mysteries that it was actually a substantial hit in many places McCabe
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Post by Snookeroo on Jan 25, 2011 3:14:38 GMT -5
And I'd like to thank McCabe for posting at least one time in this poll where he(?) didn't remind us that he hates the song I just mentioned. It is one of the great mysteries that it was actually a substantial hit in many places McCabe A great mystery to you. But to a substantial amount of people in many places, it is no mystery.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 25, 2011 6:17:08 GMT -5
It is one of the great mysteries that it was actually a substantial hit in many places McCabe A great mystery to you. But to a substantial amount of people in many places, it is no mystery. You said it, Snooks.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 25, 2011 9:18:54 GMT -5
It is one of the great mysteries that it was actually a substantial hit in many places McCabe A great mystery to you. But to a substantial amount of people in many places, it is no mystery. I was too young to get myself to The Wings' concerts in Chicago in May 1976 so I didn't know what their exact set-list was. I must say that when I first held the massive WOA album in my hands at the record store upon its release, I was very disappointed that "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" was not included. In hindsight, that might be a hard one to do live but I was nonetheless disappointed that it was not done live and part of the WOA triple album. To a lesser extent, I wondered at the lack of "Junior's Farm" as even a 14 year old like me knew that song was more concert friendly, being a rocker.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 25, 2011 11:06:45 GMT -5
I don't think much of McCartney's output has met the conventional auditory definition of "psychedlic" - no swirling phasing etc. - but lyrically there have definitely been times when he's gone a bit hallucinatory, not least Penny Lane itself.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 25, 2011 11:37:51 GMT -5
Macca also wrote Hello Goodbye which has a slightly psychedelic flavor, as well as the line "I'd love to turn you o-o-o-nnnnn..." in the psychedellic classic Day in the Life. I think the closest Macca got to a psych song is Fixing A Hole. I'd give Lovely Rita an almost-as-good in the psych stakes. I honestly can't see Penny Lane as psych - perhaps the lyrics, but certainly not the music. I see Hello Goodbye in the same mould as Penny Lane: and for the same reasons. One line in A Day In the Life doesn't make Macca's contribution psychedelic - I'd say if anything his idea about the instruments in the orchestra playing their whole range is more psych. In any case, Macca does not approach those classic Beatle contributions to the psych genre - to name only a few: Rain, I'm Only Sleeping, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever, Only A Northern Song, It's All Too Much, Blue Jay Way. McCabe You need more information regarding Paul's contributions to Rain, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life among others.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 25, 2011 12:12:17 GMT -5
I think the closest Macca got to a psych song is Fixing A Hole. I'd give Lovely Rita an almost-as-good in the psych stakes. I honestly can't see Penny Lane as psych - perhaps the lyrics, but certainly not the music. I see Hello Goodbye in the same mould as Penny Lane: and for the same reasons. One line in A Day In the Life doesn't make Macca's contribution psychedelic - I'd say if anything his idea about the instruments in the orchestra playing their whole range is more psych. In any case, Macca does not approach those classic Beatle contributions to the psych genre - to name only a few: Rain, I'm Only Sleeping, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever, Only A Northern Song, It's All Too Much, Blue Jay Way. McCabe You need more information regarding Paul's contributions to Rain, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life among others. LOL! If I was in my favorite bar in Wanatah, Indiana on a Saturday night and this challenge from RTP was issued to McCabe I'd holler: "Fellows, move the tables to the side as we've got us a fight!" ;D
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 25, 2011 15:22:31 GMT -5
I think the closest Macca got to a psych song is Fixing A Hole. I'd give Lovely Rita an almost-as-good in the psych stakes. I honestly can't see Penny Lane as psych - perhaps the lyrics, but certainly not the music. I see Hello Goodbye in the same mould as Penny Lane: and for the same reasons. One line in A Day In the Life doesn't make Macca's contribution psychedelic - I'd say if anything his idea about the instruments in the orchestra playing their whole range is more psych. In any case, Macca does not approach those classic Beatle contributions to the psych genre - to name only a few: Rain, I'm Only Sleeping, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever, Only A Northern Song, It's All Too Much, Blue Jay Way. McCabe You need more information regarding Paul's contributions to Rain, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life among others. I had written a reply to this. But deleted it as I decided that I was more irritated by the partronizing tone of You need more information regarding Paul's contributions to Rain, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life among others.I'm well aware of Paul's contributions! But I am weary of these (in the end) quite pointless arguments about Paul's greatness. He is not a master of all he surveys. John and George were way ahead of him in the psychedelic pstakes. So no brawl (seems Mr Damm will be disappointed ... ). P'raps another time! McCabe
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 25, 2011 20:32:50 GMT -5
1972 saw the release of Exile On Main Street by The Rolling Stones and STINYC by John and Yoko. Both albums have in common very poignant tributes to Angela Davis. John and Yoko's "Angela" is a sweet duet with a rousing chorus. The Stones' go for that country blues sound with "Sweet Black Angel" and is one of Mick and Keith's most overtly political songs. It too is very melodic and pretty. Both songs have impassioned lyrics. I think the two songs would make an amazing mash-up if it hasn't been done already. Angela Davis? Ugh. I just threw up in my mouth. ;D No really the songs you mentioned are quite good.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 25, 2011 20:47:46 GMT -5
You need more information regarding Paul's contributions to Rain, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life among others. I had written a reply to this. But deleted it as I decided that I was more irritated by the partronizing tone of You need more information regarding Paul's contributions to Rain, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life among others.I'm well aware of Paul's contributions! But I am weary of these (in the end) quite pointless arguments about Paul's greatness. He is not a master of all he surveys. John and George were way ahead of him in the psychedelic pstakes. So no brawl (seems Mr Damm will be disappointed ... ). P'raps another time! McCabe George was ahead of Paul in terms of psychedelia? Woa. I assume you are thinking of Its All Too Much which I admit was great. But examples like that for George are few and far between in terms of that genre. Northern Song is a failed experiment. I can't say I didn't mean to be condescending. At the time I saw red sort of like when John wrote How Do You Sleep? though not as intense. I regret the association...but what's to regret? You lived through it McCabe (paraphrasing John on the Tomorrow Show talking about HDYS). Its just that you were breezing by some facts (ok maybe you did know them). For example you said the orchestral crescendo in A Day in the Life is an example of great psychedelia. You didn't acknowledge that Paul suggested not only the orchestration against George Martin's objections, but also the playing low to high, soft to loud the range of notes on their instruments to build in to a crescendo. You're right that Paul is not the master of all he surveys. He's closer to it than most of the hacks I have seen out there in the music business.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 26, 2011 7:06:22 GMT -5
George was ahead of Paul in terms of psychedelia? Woa. I assume you are thinking of Its All Too Much which I admit was great. But examples like that for George are few and far between in terms of that genre. Northern Song is a failed experiment. Not only do I like ONLY A NORTHERN SONG very much, but yes - I do think George was far more psychedelic than Paul could ever hope to be. No, make that THE OLD GREY WHISTLE TEST interview; not TOMORROW. At the same time, I can't think of many artists who've also knocked off as many dumb "hack songs" like Paul McCartney has! If I had a quarter for every one of them I'd have a fat wallet.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 26, 2011 7:09:48 GMT -5
I had written a reply to this. But deleted it as I decided that I was more irritated by the partronizing tone of You need more information regarding Paul's contributions to Rain, Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life among others."Patronizing tone"? WOW! If that's not a classic case of a pot calling a kettle black...
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Post by acebackwords on Jan 26, 2011 14:09:54 GMT -5
1972 saw the release of Exile On Main Street by The Rolling Stones and STINYC by John and Yoko. Both albums have in common very poignant tributes to Angela Davis. John and Yoko's "Angela" is a sweet duet with a rousing chorus. The Stones' go for that country blues sound with "Sweet Black Angel" and is one of Mick and Keith's most overtly political songs. It too is very melodic and pretty. Both songs have impassioned lyrics. I think the two songs would make an amazing mash-up if it hasn't been done already. Angela Davis? Ugh. I just threw up in my mouth. ;D No really the songs you mentioned are quite good. You should have been here in Berkeley in the '70s when all the guilt-ridden white "radicals" were falling all over themselves trying to make heroes out of no-talents like Angela Davis and murderous, vain/glorious nuts like George Jackson and Huey Newton. The bigger the afro the more props you got from the radical chic crowd.
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