Match 7, Solo LP Tourney, Rnd 3, RAM 1 vs. GH 1

[joeyself]

GEORGE HARRISON, Side 1 vs. RAM, Side 1


GEORGE HARRISON, Side 1

1. "Love Comes to Everyone" – 4:36
2. "Not Guilty" – 3:35
3. "Here Comes the Moon" – 4:48
4. "Soft-Hearted Hana" – 4:03
5. "Blow Away" – 4:00

RAM, Side 1

1. "Too Many People" 4:10
2. "3 Legs" 2:44
3. "Ram On" 2:26
4. "Dear Boy" 2:12
5. "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" 4:49
6. "Smile Away" 3:51

RAM 1 gets a chance to avenge the family honor, as GH 1 took out the second side of RAM in the second round.

JcS

[Deleted]

GEORGE HARRISON, Side 1

On the other hand GH1 has the opportunity to finish the job on Ram
completely and whilst i'm not confident i think it's deserved.....

[vectisfabber]

Ram 1

Let's even it up a bit!

[wooltonian]

Suarez nutmegs the centre-half, rounds the keeper and sidefoots home! The Kop go wild! It's two-one to 'Ram'!

(Sorry about the lack of musical analysis.)

[Joe Karlosi]

RAM

[coachbk]

RAM is my choice. Except for the wince inducing "3 Legs" I really enjoy every other song a lot and love the musical variety. GH is a fine album with a couple nice tracks to open and close the side and quality stuff in between. Just not quite up to RAM's standards.

[scousette]

GEORGE HARRISON, Side 1

[stavros]

I like both albums almost equally but RAM edges it...

[diego]

I probably don't have to say where my vote went at this point of the tourney.

[Joseph McCabe]

I like RAM, Side 1 overall - but that ridiculous and childish Uncle Albert thing ought to kill this side from going any further. However, there are folk who like it - odd but true. So it has a chance, especially as many Macca fans will vote for anything by their hero, regardless of quality.

All five songs on GH Side 1 are quality songs. Tracks 1, 3, and 5 show that George Harrison can write a catchy pop song with the best of them. Not Guilty gets a quite different arrangement here compared to the White Album version (then yet to appear, even on boots). And Soft Hearted Hana - mmm, mushrooms ...

You know, George is so much more interesting than Paul.

Voting for GH1 now.

McCabe

[brothermichael]

Feb 14, 2011 15:02:54 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

You know, George is so much more interesting than Paul.

What? By dredging up a White Album reject and "writing" a limp second course take on "Here Comes the Sun"?

I like GH Side 1 -- but "Uncle Albert" is much more interesting to me than the entire GH side.

[Joseph McCabe]

Feb 14, 2011 18:10:36 GMT -5 brothermichael said:

Feb 14, 2011 15:02:54 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

You know, George is so much more interesting than Paul.

What? By dredging up a White Album reject and "writing" a limp second course take on "Here Comes the Sun"?

I like GH Side 1 -- but "Uncle Albert" is much more interesting to me than the entire GH side.

Well, it's just fine if you like Uncle Albert. I think it's a classic example of Macca puffing out his chest, and saying look how clever I am. Cutesy music, funny sounds with the voice, lyrics full of ... nothing but really sounding nice.

Macca struts, George never does.

There you go, brothermick. Simple as.


McCabe

[Joe Karlosi]

Feb 14, 2011 15:02:54 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

I like RAM, Side 1 overall - but that ridiculous and childish Uncle Albert thing ought to kill this side from going any further. However, there are folk who like it - odd but true. So it has a chance, especially as many Macca fans will vote for anything by their hero, regardless of quality.

I don't believe there is nothing "odd" about liking a certain song by an artist when the majority of fans tend to enjoy it too, and thus it's generally considered a "winner", and a big hit. What is "odd", really, is when someone in a minority doesn't enjoy it. I also think it's a very high quality track.

[mikev]

Another virtual tie for me- two of my favorites head to head.

I think I'm a bit younger of a fan= meaning that I am a first generation listener of Uncle Albert, and appreciate it for its memory enhancing pop value, not for lyrical content. The kind of song you hear and remember things from that time period.

Still there was a real thrill of finding GH on the shelf in the store, taking it home-putting it on the turntable. It too has that inherent memory enhancing value on the LP as a whole.

So because this is based on entire album sides, my vote goes to George. Tomorrow could be another way. Close.

[John S. Damm]

George Harrison-1

I really like both albums but I am going to adopt the tactics of a certain block of voters here except I am, from now on, voting against every McCartney selection. We are far enough into the tourney where I really like all selections but as I have watched the voting throughout the tourney, I think it clear that unwavering loyalty to a certain band member has always come into play time after time regardless of the opponent.

[brothermichael]

Feb 15, 2011 9:21:22 GMT -5 John S. Damm said:

George Harrison-1

I really like both albums but I am going to adopt the tactics of a certain block of voters here except I am, from now on, voting against every McCartney selection. We are far enough into the tourney where I really like all selections but as I have watched the voting throughout the tourney, I think it clear that unwavering loyalty to a certain band member has always come into play time after time regardless of the opponent.

Then I wish I had my vote back from the other day when I chose an Imagine side over one of Paul's.

It couldn't be that voters simply prefer the sides they are voting for? And unwavering loyalty doesn't come into play with George or John voters? Your post suggests there is some end result expected, some way this tournament thing is supposed to turn out -- and it's not going as you expected, so...blame "unwavering loyalty." I don't get this at all.

Edit: for the two sides at hand -- Seriously, round up 100 people off the street, put them in a room with time to hear both sides. I think Ram wins overwhelmingly. That said, I voted for it because I like it a lot more than the GH side

[ReturnToPepperland]

Feb 14, 2011 11:20:21 GMT -5 coachbk said:

RAM is my choice. Except for the wince inducing "3 Legs" I really enjoy every other song a lot and love the musical variety. GH is a fine album with a couple nice tracks to open and close the side and quality stuff in between. Just not quite up to RAM's standards.

3 Legs and Uncle Albert were John's favorite tracks from RAM. I voted for the Ovine album.

[ReturnToPepperland]

Feb 14, 2011 20:58:47 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

Feb 14, 2011 18:10:36 GMT -5 brothermichael said:

What? By dredging up a White Album reject and "writing" a limp second course take on "Here Comes the Sun"?

I like GH Side 1 -- but "Uncle Albert" is much more interesting to me than the entire GH side.

Well, it's just fine if you like Uncle Albert. I think it's a classic example of Macca puffing out his chest, and saying look how clever I am. Cutesy music, funny sounds with the voice, lyrics full of ... nothing but really sounding nice.

Macca struts, George never does.

There you go, brothermick. Simple as.


McCabe

Half of UA/AH is possibly what you say. I think he was trying to make a unique and interesting sound for the last half of that track and at that he succeeded.

However, the first half of that track is nothing like what you described. In fact it is quite the opposite. John pointed out his admiration for that track in an interview at the time of its release. Of course that means nothing to the fabrication of your opinion. I thought I would mention it again since UA/AH gets pounded more than it should.

Half of what I say is meaningless. But I say it just to reach you McCabe.

[mikev]

Feb 15, 2011 11:04:54 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

Feb 14, 2011 20:58:47 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

Well, it's just fine if you like Uncle Albert. I think it's a classic example of Macca puffing out his chest, and saying look how clever I am. Cutesy music, funny sounds with the voice, lyrics full of ... nothing but really sounding nice.

Macca struts, George never does.

There you go, brothermick. Simple as.


McCabe

Half of UA/AH is possibly what you say. I think he was trying to make a unique and interesting sound for the last half of that track and at that he succeeded.

However, the first half of that track is nothing like what you described. In fact it is quite the opposite. John pointed out his admiration for that track in an interview at the time of its release. Of course that means nothing to the fabrication of your opinion. I thought I would mention it again since UA/AH gets pounded more than it should.

Half of what I say is meaningless. But I say it just to reach you McCabe.

someone out there surely has dropped this into the McCartney version to creat a faux Beatle track.

[John S. Damm]

Feb 15, 2011 10:42:30 GMT -5 brothermichael said:

Feb 15, 2011 9:21:22 GMT -5 John S. Damm said:

George Harrison-1

I really like both albums but I am going to adopt the tactics of a certain block of voters here except I am, from now on, voting against every McCartney selection. We are far enough into the tourney where I really like all selections but as I have watched the voting throughout the tourney, I think it clear that unwavering loyalty to a certain band member has always come into play time after time regardless of the opponent.

Then I wish I had my vote back from the other day when I chose an Imagine side over one of Paul's.

It couldn't be that voters simply prefer the sides they are voting for? And unwavering loyalty doesn't come into play with George or John voters? Your post suggests there is some end result expected, some way this tournament thing is supposed to turn out -- and it's not going as you expected, so...blame "unwavering loyalty." I don't get this at all.

Edit: for the two sides at hand -- Seriously, round up 100 people off the street, put them in a room with time to hear both sides. I think Ram wins overwhelmingly. That said, I voted for it because I like it a lot more than the GH side

I didn't point fingers at specifically named people! I am just one vote and it won't go to Paul again in this tourney but that is very close to how I feel anyway with what's left.

I am simply reacting to the "For BOTR at all costs" faction who also comprise the "Against POB at all costs" faction.

[JCV]

You probably all think I'm turning into a Paul fan over George. Not happening, but I think this Paul side is better than George's.

JCV

[diego]

You guys voting against Lennon no matter what or reacting and voting against Paul no matter what do realise that whatever side wins is completely irrelevant, right?

I doubt the winner of a tourney where 20 people more or less vote each round is going to make the cover story of next month's Mojo: "We knew it all along! Imagine 2 is the best Solo Beatle side. The intriguing details of the tourney and more on Page 35. Plus: Does Uncle Albert suck? The votes reveal the answer! Also a revealing interview with Joeyself: 'I didn't really care all that much'. Plus 36 more reviews"

[joeyself]

Feb 15, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -5 diego said:

You guys voting against Lennon no matter what or reacting and voting against Paul no matter what do realise that whatever side wins is completely irrelevant, right?

I doubt the winner of a tourney where 20 people more or less vote each round is going to make the cover story of next month's Mojo: "We knew it all along! Imagine 2 is the best Solo Beatle side. The intriguing details of the tourney and more on Page 35. Plus: Does Uncle Albert suck? The votes reveal the answer! Also a revealing interview with Joeyself: 'I didn't really care all that much'. Plus 36 more reviews"

Context, man, context--my ambivalence has to be put into context! ;D

Love the mock MOJO stuff!

JcS

[Joe Karlosi]

RTP -- you keep mentioning how John liked this track or that track off RAM. Can you tell me how that matters?

[ReturnToPepperland]

Feb 15, 2011 13:52:45 GMT -5 Joe Karlosi said:

RTP -- you keep mentioning how John liked this track or that track off RAM. Can you tell me how that matters?

I explained that it doesn't figure into someone's opinion. However, I thought it was interesting since it has been bashed a few times.

[ReturnToPepperland]

Feb 15, 2011 11:47:25 GMT -5 mikev said:

Feb 15, 2011 11:04:54 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

Half of UA/AH is possibly what you say. I think he was trying to make a unique and interesting sound for the last half of that track and at that he succeeded.

However, the first half of that track is nothing like what you described. In fact it is quite the opposite. John pointed out his admiration for that track in an interview at the time of its release. Of course that means nothing to the fabrication of your opinion. I thought I would mention it again since UA/AH gets pounded more than it should.

Half of what I say is meaningless. But I say it just to reach you McCabe.

someone out there surely has dropped this into the McCartney version to creat a faux Beatle track.

Beyond that there is an interview where John called out his favorite tracks from Ram among other things.

[scousette]

Feb 15, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -5 diego said:

You guys voting against Lennon no matter what or reacting and voting against Paul no matter what do realise that whatever side wins is completely irrelevant, right?

I doubt the winner of a tourney where 20 people more or less vote each round is going to make the cover story of next month's Mojo: "We knew it all along! Imagine 2 is the best Solo Beatle side. The intriguing details of the tourney and more on Page 35. Plus: Does Uncle Albert suck? The votes reveal the answer! Also a revealing interview with Joeyself: 'I didn't really care all that much'. Plus 36 more reviews"

Best post! ;D

[John S. Damm]

Feb 15, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -5 diego said:

You guys voting against Lennon no matter what or reacting and voting against Paul no matter what do realise that whatever side wins is completely irrelevant, right?

I doubt the winner of a tourney where 20 people more or less vote each round is going to make the cover story of next month's Mojo: "We knew it all along! Imagine 2 is the best Solo Beatle side. The intriguing details of the tourney and more on Page 35. Plus: Does Uncle Albert suck? The votes reveal the answer! Also a revealing interview with Joeyself: 'I didn't really care all that much'. Plus 36 more reviews"

What, this tourney isn't important!? Now you point that out, three Rounds later after scores of Matches and bitter debate!

I have always wanted the rule where songs or album sides that lose in Round 1 cannot be discussed here for a year; songs/sides losing Round 2 banned for nine months; songs/sides losing Round 3 banned for six months, etc.

No pain, no gain I always say.

I cannot be guilted, persuaded, threatened, cajoled, bought or forced to change my mind!


;D

[acebackwords]

Feb 15, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -5 diego said:

;We knew it all along! Imagine 2 is the best Solo Beatle side. ;

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Theres some stiff competition here (though I am still bummed that Redrose Speedway got knocked out in the early rounds).

[John S. Damm]

Feb 15, 2011 16:39:47 GMT -5 acebackwords said:

Feb 15, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -5 diego said:

;We knew it all along! Imagine 2 is the best Solo Beatle side. ;

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Theres some stiff competition here (though I am still bummed that Redrose Speedway got knocked out in the early rounds).

You and me both, ace! Imagine my depression at the really early and lopsided exits of Wings Wild Life 1 & 2! I am not anti-Paul, I am just anti-"BOTR is the greatest solo Beatles album in the universe." I fought for Paul's first four albums in this tourney and the BOTR Army threw me under the bus where I was crushed.

I am sorry I am sacrificing Ram-1 on sacred principle but a person who stands for nothing will fall for anything!