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Post by joeyself on Feb 28, 2011 10:58:52 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 2 vs. RAM, Side 1
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 2
1. "What Is Life" 4:22
2. "If Not for You" (Bob Dylan) 3:29
3. "Behind That Locked Door" 3:05
4. "Let It Down" 4:57
5. "Run of the Mill" 2:49
RAM, Side 1
1. "Too Many People" 4:10
2. "3 Legs" 2:44
3. "Ram On" 2:26
4. "Dear Boy" 2:12
5. "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" 4:49
6. "Smile Away" 3:51
The pairing this time pits the one with the lowest percentage of votes last time (ATMP 2 with 58%) against the one with the highest (RAM 1 with 71%). The other semi will have the two in the middle.
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Post by mikev on Feb 28, 2011 11:09:24 GMT -5
Someone's gotta move on. These are probably my top two sides, but the truth is that Smile Away and 3 Legs are throwaways that I happen to enjoy. George has crafted some almost perfect LP sides with his first spectacular and this side is one of them. The Dylan cover is probably one of the Dylan songs that someone covering has done better. Okay, Byrds, Peter Paul and Mary, Hendrix...it's been done.
Hmmm thought it would be harder-but I have no problem voting now.
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Post by scousette on Feb 28, 2011 11:25:32 GMT -5
ATMP Side 2
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 28, 2011 11:50:57 GMT -5
Wow, two great Sides of music. I think that Paul was just so darn cool and on fire in this period as he was feeling his way post-Beatles and trying to be himself, his own man.
Lennon famously sang, "I was the walrus but now I'm John" and I sincerely believe Paul was making that exact statement too with his first four wonderful albums. "I am Paul McCartney and this is the music I want to now make" is what those first four albums scream to me.
"Dear Boy" is my favorite of the lot here with "Too Many People" right behind.
I don't underestimate ATMP-2 in my re-discovery of this album. "What Is Life" and "Run Of The Mill" are awesome.
I vote for Ram-1 because I can be tired of BOTR's run but I can't stay mad at Ram. ;D
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Post by JCV on Feb 28, 2011 12:53:56 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 2I really like Paul's side here, but I'm choosing George right now.  JCV
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Post by coachbk on Feb 28, 2011 13:15:16 GMT -5
I love "What Is Life" and "Run Of The Mill". The 3 in the middle are all good, but not spectacular. On RAM, I love "UncleAlbert/Admiral Halsey", "Dear Boy" and "Too Many People". "Ram On" I probably like a little more than George's 3 in the middle. "Smile Away" is more fun, but not really as good. "3 Legs" is easily the worst song on either of these sides.
I'll vote for RAM, but these sides would be my 3rd and 4th choices overall and as my top two are in the other match, neither of these will get my vote in the next round.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 28, 2011 15:17:34 GMT -5
Now, this IS tough. Side 2 of All Things has top music except for If Not For You, whose arrangement I don't like. What Is Life and Run Of the Mill are the standout songs for me. RAM side 1 I like, except (yes I'm going to say it again ;D) for the low brow Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey. What a piece of dross that ditty is. I'm going to ring Paulie up, and make telephone noises down the line. He'll like that!  Suddenly, I know how to vote. All Things gets it of course. Though almost all songs on RAM 1 are good, one is dreadful. So bad, I cannot in all integrity, vote for that side. McCabe |
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Post by nicole21290 on Feb 28, 2011 16:38:24 GMT -5
Now, this IS tough. Side 2 of All Things has top music except for If Not For You, whose arrangement I don't like. What Is Life and Run Of the Mill are the standout songs for me. RAM side 1 I like, except (yes I'm going to say it again ;D) for the low brow Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey. What a piece of dross that ditty is. I'm going to ring Paulie up, and make telephone noises down the line. He'll like that! Suddenly, I know how to vote. All Things gets it of course. Though almost all songs on RAM 1 are good, one is dreadful. So bad, I cannot in all integrity, vote for that side. McCabe I wouldn't mind if Paul rang me up and made telephone noises down the line... As long as he talked to me as well.  As for me, RAM. Simply put, I like it more than ATMP... |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 28, 2011 16:48:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if Paul rang me up and made telephone noises down the line... And you'd say that sometimes Paul's lyrics are a bit suss, but the tune, as always, is great. ;D McCabe |
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Post by diego on Feb 28, 2011 17:06:16 GMT -5
At this point I'm out of things to say. Two great sides, as everyone knows by now I love Ram. So Ram On!
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Post by vectisfabber on Feb 28, 2011 18:33:31 GMT -5
Ram 1
You get a minute more with McCartney.
I love these two sides.
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Post by nicole21290 on Feb 28, 2011 20:02:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if Paul rang me up and made telephone noises down the line... And you'd say that sometimes Paul's lyrics are a bit suss, but the tune, as always, is great. ;D McCabe It's just Paul being 'surreal' or 'subtle' or 'relaxed' not 'suss'... But yes, I'm sure he breaks wind melodically as well - I can't imagine it being otherwise. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 28, 2011 20:32:43 GMT -5
And you'd say that sometimes Paul's lyrics are a bit suss, but the tune, as always, is great. ;D McCabe It's just Paul being 'surreal' or 'subtle' or 'relaxed' not 'suss'... But yes, I'm sure he breaks wind melodically as well - I can't imagine it being otherwise. LOL, now that is something that I don't want to imagine! ;D |
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Post by nicole21290 on Feb 28, 2011 22:10:11 GMT -5
It's just Paul being 'surreal' or 'subtle' or 'relaxed' not 'suss'... But yes, I'm sure he breaks wind melodically as well - I can't imagine it being otherwise. LOL, now that is something that I don't want to imagine! ;D Oh, why not? Aren't you interested and fascinated by every word and sound that comes forth from Paul's mouth and other areas? No? Oh, just me then... Oh, and I am NOT being serious for anyone who doesn't realise. Please don't cart me away to the asylum just yet! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 1:07:28 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 2
I think i'll vote for George
i just dont hear what others hear when i listen to RAM,how did it ever get this far ...that's what intrigues me....
So Paul breaks wind melodically...go figure...when i do it it's more like a one note samba...... ;D
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Post by stavros on Mar 1, 2011 6:55:10 GMT -5
RAM - sheepishly voted for . 3 Legs is not very good but the rest of the album side holds up extremely well. ATMP opens nicely but is just not quite able to hold off a charge from RAM. |
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Post by joeyself on Mar 1, 2011 18:14:35 GMT -5
I took RAM 1. It ends weakly, but the songs getting to that point are wonderful (well, "3 Legs" isn't WONDERFUL, but I like it well enough). There's not a real clunker on ATMP 2, but it suffers from Spector's heavy hand in a few places, and in a close call, that's enough to get RAM the nod.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 2, 2011 12:22:28 GMT -5
This was interesting as ATMP-2 leaped out of the gate early like the hare but Ram-1 has been the tortoise and steadily built quite a lead.
The ATMP-2 voters can take some heart at ATMP-3's success in the other semi-final although I don't know if the same can be said for the BOTR-1 voters, does the success here of Ram-1 cheer them?
I am very surprised that there was not at least one POB or Imagine Side in the semi-finals.
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Post by diego on Mar 2, 2011 13:11:08 GMT -5
I am very surprised that there was not at least one POB or Imagine Side in the semi-finals. I'm not, POB never had a chance, it seems most people always voted for a "more pleasant listening experience", which is fine, but is also a bit exaggerating. Yes, POB is not an easy listen, but it's not nearly as "hard" as some people seem to think. There are a lot of melodic and tender moments too. Give it a chance. Also it seems not everyone likes the messages on the album. I will say that it is an atheist album, which is one reason why I love it. Imagine might seem like a fan favorite, but if you think about it has: 1) Production by Phil Spector, that not everyone likes. 2) A song where he insults our board God, Paul. 3) A song with Yoko on the title! ;D 4) For some reason, maybe because people expect a lot from Lennon, he is judged differently and lyrics like "in the middle of a shave..." in a song about his wife, are terrible and embarassing. Maybe he should have mentioned the lovely flowers in her hair instead. Given the seemingly larger preference for Paul's music in this board (which I'm not saying is a bad thing), the only chance Lennon had is if some made up album with his songs from Double Fantasy and Milk & Honey had been on the tourney, but that would be cheating. Those 1980 songs have always sounded to me like Lennon channeling his inner Macca. Anyway, Go RAM! |
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 2, 2011 13:37:03 GMT -5
Those are several valid factors weighing against POB and Imagine in this tourney.
I think most critical analysis of the solo Beatles' music credits John Lennon with coming out with two really strong albums and then getting lost. Paul is the opposite and the c.w. is that it took him messing about for four albums before he got it right on BOTR(which I strongly disagree with of course).
I have never detected a trend where POB and Imagine have been diminished in stature but I am pleased that Ram and George's Living In The Material World have significantly gained in stature through the years. We all know the c.w. on George was that ATMP was his first and last great album with subsequent albums ranging from bad to decent/good but not great. I'm not saying that is my opinion but just the c.w.
It is great LITMW and Ram getting their deserved dues.
I agree that there was a bias here against John's two highly regarded solo albums. At least one Side from the four Sides of those two albums should have made the semi-finals in my opinion.
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Post by mikev on Mar 2, 2011 13:57:37 GMT -5
Spector's production on Imagine is much more toned down than on ATMP.
The strings are much more subtle-almost George Martin-like.
I think where it falters are some of the less melodic cuts like Soldier. Not a terrible song and a great sax solo by King Curtis, but it just droans on a little too much.
Spector- probably on John's strict orders kept POB raw and simple-ironically how Paul would have envisioned "Let it Be".
I wonder how Mother, Love and God would have sounded with some layers of strings/full Spector treatment.
I guess we can only spectorate ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 3, 2011 10:08:32 GMT -5
I will say that it is an atheist album, Yeah.. well, nothing's perfect. I see no problem with those words. The whole idea is, John thinks of Yoko at every moment, through whatever he's doing. |
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Mar 5, 2011 11:28:45 GMT -5
ATMP 2 by a country mile. All of it is amazing.
Ram, got 2 genuine stinkers and a few meh songs. Middling Paul.
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