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Post by joeyself on Dec 7, 2010 21:03:15 GMT -5
LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 2 vs. RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1
LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 2
1."The Lord Loves the One (That Loves the Lord)" – 4:34
2."Be Here Now" – 4:09
3."Try Some, Buy Some" – 4:08
4."The Day the World Gets 'Round" – 2:53
5."That Is All" – 3:43
RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1
1."Big Barn Bed" – 3:48
2."My Love" – 4:07
3."Get on the Right Thing" – 4:17
4."One More Kiss" – 2:28
5."Little Lamb Dragonfly" – 6:20
Two albums released within mere weeks of each other face off this time.
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Post by coachbk on Dec 7, 2010 22:08:37 GMT -5
This is a tougher one. I think LITMW is the better overall album. If the sides were reversed (LITMW 1 vs. RRS 2) it would be an easy win for George. However here we have the better side of RRS vs. the weaker side of LITMW. So I'm going with RRS side 1.
"Big Barn Bed" is one of those songs with lyrics that make me cringe ("leaping armadillo yes") but it moves along pretty well. "My Love" isn't as strong as some of Paul's other "classics" but is still a lovely song. "Get On The Right Thing" is OK in parts, but can't sustain. "One Moe Kiss" I really like. Perfect in its simplicity. "Little Lamb Dragonfly" is a hidden gem. Is it about John? I really don't think so, but it works either way.
As for LITMW, "The Lord Loves The One" is probably top of the list for those who criticize this album for preachiness. "Be Here Now" is a magnificent overlooked gem. The rest of the side is competent, but not enough for it to get my vote.
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Post by mikev on Dec 7, 2010 22:38:54 GMT -5
LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 2
1."The Lord Loves the One (That Loves the Lord)" – 7 .5 Preachy but I like the melody
2."Be Here Now" – 7.5
3."Try Some, Buy Some" 9.5 a fav of mine
4."The Day the World Gets 'Round" – 9 always loved the George Martin-like horn arrangement
5."That Is All" – 7.5
41.5
RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1
1."Big Barn Bed" – 9
2."My Love" – 10 a big one
3."Get on the Right Thing" –9
4."One More Kiss" – 6.5
5."Little Lamb Dragonfly" – 8 didn't like this originally, but it had some Abbey Road qualities in the melody
42.5
I dunno- more of a tie in my general feel based on the remaster of GH.
Gotta pick one- has to be Paul by a hair.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 8, 2010 0:14:09 GMT -5
Easy call for me--one of these is part of RRS, and except for "Big Barn Bed"--lyrically deficiencies notwithstanding--there's nothing on it I like much. Oh, the guitar solo in "My Love" is great, I should say, and "One More Kiss" doesn't stink as much as most of this tripe does. LITMW 2 got an easy draw this time, as it will lose to many of the ones that have advanced to the second round.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 1:35:51 GMT -5
LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 2
I just happen to prefer George's side over Paul's.....
My Love is one of Paul's classics...it's a bit of an island on that album.
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 8, 2010 4:41:12 GMT -5
I stand with coachbk - I'm not a fan of My Love although I recognise it's quality, and Get On The Right THing irritates, but I love the other 3 three RRS tracks. On LITMW, I love Be Here Now and That Is All, the others not so much. RRS takes it reasonably comfortably.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 8, 2010 5:40:19 GMT -5
I can't really stand RRS, though I do think My Love is a great love song from Paul, a genuine classic and worthy of Beatles status. I also get a real kick out of the nonsensical Big Barn Bed. But the rest of this side, and the whole album itself, has never hit me right. I can tolerate One More Kiss... I am bored by Little Lamb Dragonfly.
George's LITMW is just a stronger LP overall, and I do enjoy each song here on Side 2. It's a deeper album with more to say and think about.
GEORGE takes this one for me.
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Post by coachbk on Dec 8, 2010 7:46:51 GMT -5
I stand with coachbk - I'm not a fan of My Love although I recognise it's quality, Actually I would still say I'm a fan of "My Love", I just don't put it in the same category as "Yesterday", "Here There & Everywhere", "For No One", "Let It Be", "Hey Jude" or even solo offerings such as "Here Today" or "Little Willow". It belongs with the next tier of songs, such as "And I Love Her", "The Long And Winding Road", "I Will", "Warm And Beautiful", "I'm Carrying", etc |
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 8, 2010 11:29:44 GMT -5
I always found "My Love" to be too sacharine. All that woe-woe-woe-woooee stuff. I dunno, that song just makes me queazy. But RRS is a personal favorite. Even though it is a bit light and unfinished. But what was up with that elaborate booklet of photos and doodles that was inside the album? I could never figure out if there was any point to any of those graphics or if perchance Paul was just smoking way too much pot at the time.
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Post by JCV on Dec 8, 2010 13:05:53 GMT -5
LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 2 I like George better, but I do really love "My Love."  JCV  |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 8, 2010 14:14:23 GMT -5
This match is a shallow, immature view of the world, love & relationships versus a considered, intelligent perspective on these things.
Oh yes, and musically LITMW is streets ahead of RRS. Listen to Be Here Now.
If you want "love songs", try That Is All. You won't go back to My Love.
George gets my vote.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 8, 2010 18:11:35 GMT -5
But what was up with that elaborate booklet of photos and doodles that was inside the album? I could never figure out if there was any point to any of those graphics or if perchance Paul was just smoking way too much pot at the time. I'm sure it was intended to be art, but generally, it hurt my head... JcS |
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 8, 2010 23:23:33 GMT -5
Earlier this year, I had an amazing experience with LITMW-2: I'd like to see DARK HORSE and EXTRA TEXTURE released as a two-for-one CD. I'd buy that. I can't ever see buying each on their own unless bonus material was included. These were both mediocre albums at best. LIVING IN THE MATERIAL is a very good album that got put down on the time because it was not as good as ALL THINGS MUST PASS. I consider ALL THINGS MUST PASS the second best solo Beatles album (behind BAND ON THE RUN) so while it is true that LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD does not measure up to those two, it is still in the upper ranks of solo Beatles material. I do think "Dark Horse" and "You" are very good singles. "Ding Dong" is weak. The older I get, the more weariness I experience, the more I am finding that Living In The Material World is a superb album. The recently reissued LITMW is wonderful, really good sonics and wonderful packaging. A job well done. I played this album last Sunday morning at about 12:30 a.m.(after my second listen in two days to Dark Horse) and I was blown away. I had an epiphany with "Try Some, Buy Some." "Be Here Now" was other-worldly. I guess Side 2 really appealed to me like never before. Side 1 of course is very strong. When I was a young man I really could not relate to this album at all. I agree that "Be Here Now" is amazing, an overlooked Hari gem, and I will never take for granted again "Try Some, Buy Some." Yet I think that RRS-1 is one of the strongest solo album Sides of all. I adore every single song on RRS-1. Paul rocks me out, makes me laugh, makes me want to love and makes me cry. I deeply respect and appreciate LITMW-2 but I worship RRS-1. 1973 was a cool year to be a fan of the former Fabs, all four were riding high on the charts, both Singles and Album Charts. |
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Post by scousette on Dec 9, 2010 11:40:09 GMT -5
LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 2
George outshines Paul here. "Be Here Now" and "That Is All" are jewels. I also think "The Day the World Gets 'Round" is lovely.
I have never liked "My Love" but I appreciate the guitar solo.
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 9, 2010 13:29:57 GMT -5
But what was up with that elaborate booklet of photos and doodles that was inside the album? I could never figure out if there was any point to any of those graphics or if perchance Paul was just smoking way too much pot at the time. I'm sure it was intended to be art, but generally, it hurt my head... JcS Still, its kinda' cool that Paul would often throw in those extra packaging bonuses, like the booklet inside the Magical Mystery album. Do they still put the booklet inside the RRS CDs? And yeah, I never realized how many great, soulful, spiritual-type songs Harrison wrote until I heard that memorial concert where everybody chipped in with Harrison covers. My only complaint about Harrison is that there's such a huge drop-off in quality from his 10 or 15 great songs to the rest of his catalogue. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 9, 2010 18:42:11 GMT -5
--------------------------------------------- My only complaint about Harrison is that there's such a huge drop-off in quality from his 10 or 15 great songs to the rest of his catalogue. :oHell's bells! You don't know George Harrison's music very well, do you? One of the more amazing things I've read on forums, ace. 'On ya, dude. ;D McCabe |
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Post by theman on Dec 10, 2010 13:21:05 GMT -5
In this case, I think I'm sticking with conventional wisdom (and how I felt about this album back in the day).
Yes, LITMW Side 2 is pretty preachy. But, my real problem with it is the song sequencing. This side has, for me, just a very boring and monotonous feel to it. Yes, there are some nice bits of flair (e.g., the slide guitar on "The Day the World Gets Round", the beautiful acoustic guitar on "Be Hear Now".) But this side of music is music to listen to while considering if you are going to end it all;). It's very depressing sounding.
RRS-1 is not a classic side by any means. "Big Barn Bed" sounds very dated to me. "My Love", while certainly a classic for many, is...well, I agree with coachbk, it's tier II stuff. "Get it on the Right Thing" is poppy fun, but nothing more, but "One More Kiss" is pretty lame. The only song of consequence on this side is "Little Lamb Dragonfly", but it's way too long.
I went with RRS-1, but it certainly won't get past the next round.
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Post by stavros on Dec 10, 2010 15:23:12 GMT -5
Fluffy lightweight pop from Macca or mid-tempo and heavier stuff from Hari?
My issue is that both are OK when you are in a certain frame of mind.
Whilst George's album side has more depth to it from a certain point of view sometimes I just want to hear the type of pure pop melodies and ignore the meaningless lyrics that Paul can easily churn out. And I was not in the particular mood that LITMW conveys and stays in.
Red Rose Speedway may not be a classic but it was just easier to listen to than George's LITMW. Had England just lost the last test in the Ashes then George would have gotten my vote. But RRS it is!
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 10, 2010 15:50:23 GMT -5
--------------------------------------------- My only complaint about Harrison is that there's such a huge drop-off in quality from his 10 or 15 great songs to the rest of his catalogue. :oHell's bells! You don't know George Harrison's music very well, do you? One of the more amazing things I've read on forums, ace. 'On ya, dude. ;D McCabe Well, its all a matter of taste isn't it? I don't know how well I "know" Harrison's music. I've been listening to it pretty consistently for 46 years. So I guess I'd say I'm aquainted with it. The last Harrison album I could listen to from start to finish was Cloud 9. Aside from his first two solo albums post-Beatles, the rest were top-heavy with clunkers for my taste. I mean: "He's the master/of going faster"? |
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 10, 2010 16:37:43 GMT -5
I guess what I'm saying is, for me there's a huge drop-off between George's second tier hits -- stuff like This Song, Crackerbox Palace, You, etc -- and the majesty and grandeur of his great songs on All Things Must Pass. Let alone the drop off to his many clunkers.
I think Paul and John (who knew a thing or two about songwriting) were wise to limit George to about two songs per album. Thats about as much as he had in him.
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 10, 2010 18:00:25 GMT -5
--------------------------------------------- My only complaint about Harrison is that there's such a huge drop-off in quality from his 10 or 15 great songs to the rest of his catalogue. :oHell's bells! You don't know George Harrison's music very well, do you? One of the more amazing things I've read on forums, ace. 'On ya, dude. ;D McCabe P.S. Joseph, its silly of you to imply I don't know what I'm talking about when all I'm saying is what I like or dislike. Which, now that I think of it, is one of the few things where I do know what I'm talking about. On you, dude. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 10, 2010 18:05:16 GMT -5
:oHell's bells! You don't know George Harrison's music very well, do you? One of the more amazing things I've read on forums, ace. 'On ya, dude. ;D McCabe P.S. Joseph, its silly of you to imply I don't know what I'm talking about when all I'm saying is what I like or dislike. Which, now that I think of it, is one of the few things where I do know what I'm talking about. On you, dude. Read back, ace. I said: I'm fairly sure you know what you like or dislike; what I'm questioning is how well you know his music. McCabe |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 10, 2010 18:14:04 GMT -5
Aside from his first two solo albums post-Beatles, the rest were top-heavy with clunkers for my taste. I mean: "He's the master/of going faster"? Bad choice for an example of "poor lyrics". What's wrong with that line? The song FASTER was written about George's passion for racing. He's singing a song about an ace driver who's faster than everyone, and is the Master of Going Faster. Works for me here. |
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 13, 2010 12:30:12 GMT -5
P.S. Joseph, its silly of you to imply I don't know what I'm talking about when all I'm saying is what I like or dislike. Which, now that I think of it, is one of the few things where I do know what I'm talking about. On you, dude. Read back, ace. I said: I'm fairly sure you know what you like or dislike; what I'm questioning is how well you know his music. McCabe Well if I liked it or disliked it for the same reasons as you you'd probably commend me for how well I know his music. Still say it mostly just comes down to personal taste. I mean, how well can I know George's music? I've been listening to it for 46 years. Maybe in the 47th year I'll begin to grasp its true impact? I guess I still don't get what you're talking about. |
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 13, 2010 13:01:12 GMT -5
Aside from his first two solo albums post-Beatles, the rest were top-heavy with clunkers for my taste. I mean: "He's the master/of going faster"? Bad choice for an example of "poor lyrics". What's wrong with that line? The song FASTER was written about George's passion for racing. He's singing a song about an ace driver who's faster than everyone, and is the Master of Going Faster. Works for me here. Well like I said I think it mostly comes down to personal tastes. If somebody likes that line and gets pleasure from that song then more power to them. I'm the last person to want to discourage people from getting pleasure from music, for whatever reasons they get their kicks. I suppose George could sing: "He gets in the car / He rides it around in circles / The engine goes vroom vroon" and if someone gets off on it thats great (and now that I think of it they could probably write a great "Yellow Submarine" type song about racing cars). I hate it when the critics were sort of mocking McCartney fans for liking that "lightweight" music. And I loved it when McCartney took a back-handed swipe at his critics with "Silly Love Songs." And keep in mind the context of any of my criticisms of Beatles songs, together or solo. They produced so much imaginative, beautiful, evocative world-class music, that I'm critiquing their lesser songs from how well that reach that very lofty standard. Its like sports fans when they criticize these professional athletes, ya know, "Get rid of the bum." When in fact even the bench-warmers are world-class athletes. My only beef is when they don't give it their best effort. And with a lot of George's stuff (my opinion) it just seemed like he wasn't very inspired or didn't have too much to say when he sat down and wrote a lot of that stuff. |
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Post by joeyself on Dec 13, 2010 22:48:50 GMT -5
Another one within the 2 vote range, I'll bump it back up for the last week or so of voting.
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