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Post by joeyself on Dec 4, 2010 23:20:55 GMT -5
GOODNIGHT VIENNA, Side 1 vs. LONDON TOWN, Side 2
GOODNIGHT VIENNA, Side 1
1."(It's All Da-Da-Down To) Goodnight Vienna" (John Lennon) –
2:35
2."Occapella" (Allen Toussaint) – 2:55
3."Oo-Wee" (Vini Poncia/Richard Starkey) – 3:45
4."Husbands and Wives" (Roger Miller) – 3:34
5."Snookeroo" (Elton John/Bernie Taupin) – 3:27
LONDON TOWN, Side 2
1. "With a Little Luck" 5:45
2. "Famous Groupies" 3:36
3. "Deliver Your Children" (Paul McCartney/Denny Laine) 4:17
4. "Name and Address" 3:07
5. "Don't Let It Bring You Down" (Paul McCartney/Denny Laine) 4:34
6. "Morse Moose and the Grey Goose" (Paul McCartney/Denny Laine) 6:25
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2010 23:54:30 GMT -5
Oh Boy..... how do you choose one of these clunkers..... Paul should be able to do better than this... With a Little luck is a good song but the rest.......  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2010 23:57:06 GMT -5
GOODNIGHT VIENNA, Side 1
i selected this purely because Paul has the talent to write and record
a killer record but opts for pedestrian fodder...
i can't reward that sort of effort.....
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 5, 2010 2:48:08 GMT -5
I went with London Town side 2. This is what London Town could have looked like:
LONDON TOWN
Side 1
1. "London Town"
2. "Cafe on the Left Bank"
3. "Waterspout"
4. "I'm Carrying"
5. "Girlfriend" or "Same Time Next Year"
6. "I've Had Enough"
Side 2
1. "With a Little Luck"
2. "Girls' School"
3. "Deliver Your Children"
4. "Don't Let It Bring You Down"
5. "Mull of Kintyre"
With a few changes we have a great album. Don't Let It Bring You Down is one of the best songs on the album.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 5, 2010 6:55:22 GMT -5
Yuck. What a lousy couple of sides!
I love WITH A LITTLE LUCK, as twee as it is, as usual, from "pop Paulie". And I am a bit biased because this song came along at a special time for me when I was 16, and it is very dear to me. But the rest of Side 2 of LONDON TOWN is complete and utter TRASH! I can't stand any other songs on Side 2.
As for GOODNIGHT VIENNA, is has Paul outnumbered because I like at least 2 songs off this side -- those being the title track, as well as SNOOKEROO. So in that respect, should I vote for Ringo because he outnumbers Paul in the amount of songs I enjoy?
This is tough. WITH A LITTLE LUCK has so much importance for me and my childhood that I almost want to give this side the nod just for that alone. But if I am to be completely realistic, I can't vote for Paul's side here -- it's just TERRIBLE. It cannot be saved just because I have warm and cozy memories of one track which I could just as easily enjoy off the WINGS GREATEST album.
So my vote here goes to Richard Starkey --- GOODNIGHT VIENNA!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 7:22:39 GMT -5
I went with London Town side 2. This is what London Town could have looked like: LONDON TOWN Side 1 1. "London Town" 2. "Cafe on the Left Bank" 3. "Waterspout" 4. "I'm Carrying" 5. "Girlfriend" or "Same Time Next Year" 6. "I've Had Enough" Side 2 1. "With a Little Luck" 2. "Girls' School" 3. "Deliver Your Children" 4. "Don't Let It Bring You Down" 5. "Mull of Kintyre" With a few changes we have a great album. Don't Let It Bring You Down is one of the best songs on the album. here's a news flash for RTP.... we aren't voting for an album with a few changes... It's good to see you are making a few changes with almost all of Paul's albums in order to create something presentable...passable even.... too bad Paul himself didn't have the same scruples... |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 5, 2010 7:51:59 GMT -5
here's a news flash for RTP.... we aren't voting for an album with a few changes... It's good to see you are making a few changes with almost all of Paul's albums in order to create something presentable...passable even.... too bad Paul himself didn't have the same scruples... THANK YOU. |
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Post by mikev on Dec 5, 2010 9:07:05 GMT -5
GOODNIGHT VIENNA, Side 1
1."(It's All Da-Da-Down To) Goodnight Vienna" 8 not one of Lennon's greatest-come to think of it= none of John's songs to Ringo (nor Paul's) had any chart action.
2."Occapella" (Allen Toussaint) 5.5
3."Oo-Wee" (Vini Poncia/Richard Starkey) – 6
4."Husbands and Wives" (Roger Miller) – 8
5."Snookeroo" (Elton John/Bernie Taupin) – 8
LONDON TOWN, Side 2
1. "With a Little Luck" 9.5 pure catchy pop
2. "Famous Groupies" 7.5
3. "Deliver Your Children" (Paul McCartney/Denny Laine) 9 (this to me is a great song)
4. "Name and Address" 9 Paul wanted Elvis to sing this
5. "Don't Let It Bring You Down" (Paul McCartney/Denny Laine) 9
6. "Morse Moose and the Grey Goose" (Paul McCartney/Denny Laine) 8
London Town is very sentimental to me-coming out senior year, and at a point where I was deep nto my second round of Beatlemania (loved Penny Lane first generation)
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 5, 2010 11:23:52 GMT -5
So in that respect, should I vote for Ringo because he outnumbers Paul in the amount of songs I enjoy? Don't forget the usually unspoken but very real The RTP Factor: voting in a way that will maximize RTP's annoyance! ;D Just kidding RTP, we love you! |
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 5, 2010 11:56:30 GMT -5
Another abstention from me. With A Little Luck is good and a couple of others have their moments, but there are at least a couple of grievous mis-steps in there. And I'm not familiar with Goodnight Vienna so I'm not going to possibly unfairly vote for it or agin it against another of Paul's shoddy sides.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 5, 2010 14:14:34 GMT -5
Let's see now: Vienna side 1 - what's it got?
Title track -fairly good. Track 2: poor, Track 3 not too bad, Track 5 probably written in 2 minutes, and it shows: middling.
So far this is fairly good for Ringo Starr, but doesn't Husbands and Wives send shudders up your spine? Unlistenable rubbish.
Now for London Town, side 2. Here we go.
With a Little luck: groan. But the rest of the side: not too bad at all. Very listenable (but like most of Macca's stuff, not brain expanding). I can't understand the down many have on this album - for me one of Paul's better efforts. Yes it's soft, I know, but then this is McCartney.
I think the essential difference between the albums is the honesty of the artist. Vienna is bullshit, Town is pure McCartney.
London Town side 2 gets my vote.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 5, 2010 14:44:14 GMT -5
GOODNIGHT VIENNA, Side 1 1."(It's All Da-Da-Down To) Goodnight Vienna" 8 not one of Lennon's greatest-come to think of it= none of John's songs to Ringo (nor Paul's) had any chart action. Not to split hairs, but is "I'm the Greatest" the exception that proves the rule? Otherwise, I agree with your insight...  You'd think John and Paul would have given Richie something "tastier", but what's done is done, alas... |
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Post by stavros on Dec 5, 2010 15:07:25 GMT -5
I hadn't listened to either these albums in a long time. So here goes:
London Town
"With A Little Luck" was a new direction after the rather dull "Speed of Sound" album and uses washes of synthesizers to good effect. Great pop song. Why Paul never plays this live I do not know? It is a favourite of mine because it is one of the first vinyl singles I ever bought. "Famous Groupies" is rather quirky but still a decent and listenable effort. "Deliver Your Children" is a fine little pop/folk song with good harmonies from Denny & Paul "Name & Address" is a bit too basic and formulaic for my tastes. "Don't Let it Bring You Down" is a slow burner and takes a few listens to appreciate. The album ender "Morse Moose" is also a very quirky sort of rock/sea shanty mixed with a bit of ambient sound FX. I'm not sure it works.
London Town is a lighter album than previous Wings outings and should be played on warm summer days not freezing winter evenings (as it is here in the UK). Overall though it's a pleasant journey with a peculiar ending.
Goodnight Vienna
The opening track is not one of John's best but it suits Ringo's voice and has a happy feel to it. "Occapella" is cheezy and average. "oo-Wee" is the sort of stuff Ringo would often churn out and is neither good nor bad. It just floats along into another track. As I listen to "Husbands & Wives" I do feel a shudder in my spine.
But that is from the extremely cold weather and freezing fog that currently engulfs Merseyside. Ringo sings it in a very detached way and probably doesn't give this song justice. There is no feeling to his vocals . "Snookeroo" is very good. A perfect Ringo song. Well done Elton John. You rescued this side of the album.
Overall "Vienna" suffers from the characteristic cheezy sound of Ringo in the mid-70s . And he was not to improve on this for nearly 20 years.
So "London Town" you're through to the next round!
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 5, 2010 16:37:07 GMT -5
I went with London Town side 2. This is what London Town could have looked like: LONDON TOWN Side 1 1. "London Town" 2. "Cafe on the Left Bank" 3. "Waterspout" 4. "I'm Carrying" 5. "Girlfriend" or "Same Time Next Year" 6. "I've Had Enough" Side 2 1. "With a Little Luck" 2. "Girls' School" 3. "Deliver Your Children" 4. "Don't Let It Bring You Down" 5. "Mull of Kintyre" With a few changes we have a great album. Don't Let It Bring You Down is one of the best songs on the album. here's a news flash for RTP.... we aren't voting for an album with a few changes... It's good to see you are making a few changes with almost all of Paul's albums in order to create something presentable...passable even.... too bad Paul himself didn't have the same scruples... I know. I can't help myself. Morse Moose and the Grey Goose--there is no excuse for that except MAYBE as a b-side and even that would be a waste of space. There I've said something disparaging about Paul. I hope everyone's happy. ;D I hope it satisfies your teenage...(oh that's the Stones). |
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Post by joeyself on Dec 5, 2010 17:21:19 GMT -5
Since RTP has already ventured into Make-Believeland, I'll follow up on something I said earlier.
McCartney had the genesis for a concept album, or at least a side of one, with the first two songs of the album. "London Town" and "Cafe On The Left Bank" took us to the capitals of the UK and France. Had he added "Mull Of Kintyre" and "Sally G" to the line-up, the travelogue would have included Scotland and Nashville. One more "place" song and he would have had a side of an album; the flip might have been "people" with "Famous Groupies,' "Girls' School" and "Girlfriend" anchoring the side.
It would have been more of a concept album than anything he had tackled to that point.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 5, 2010 19:56:50 GMT -5
Since RTP has already ventured into Make-Beliveland, I'll follow up on something I said earlier. McCartney had the genesis for a concept album, or at least a side of one, with the first two songs of the album. "London Town" and "Cafe On The Left Bank" took us to the capitals of the UK and France. Had he added "Mull Of Kintyre" and "Sally G" to the line-up, the travelogue would have included Scotland and Nashville. One more "place" song and he would have had a side of an album; the flip might have been "people" with "Famous Groupies,' "Girls' School" and "Girlfriend" anchoring the side. It would have been more of a concept album than anything he had tackled to that point. JcS Good points, Joey! "Make -believeland" - LOL! I love it! In my make-believeland, John and George are still alive and the Beatles reformed and made great music.....OK, back to reality.  |
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 5, 2010 21:50:42 GMT -5
In my make-believeland, John and George are still alive and the Beatles reformed and made great music.....OK, back to reality. My make-believeland involves Pattie Boyd looking as she did from 1963 to 1966 and is very X-rated. |
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 5, 2010 21:55:00 GMT -5
In my make-believeland, John and George are still alive and the Beatles reformed and made great music.....OK, back to reality. My make-believeland involves Pattie Boyd looking as she did from 1963 to 1966 and is very X-rated. LOL! |
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Post by coachbk on Dec 5, 2010 22:14:44 GMT -5
At first I thought this might be a tough choice, but once I looked over the songs it wasn't. LONDON TOWN gets my vote by a comfortable margin. I like "Snookeroo" a lot, it would make a Ringo top 10, but nothing else is that interesting. "Goodnight Vienna" is beloved by some, but I've never been able to figure out why.
As to LONDON TOWN, it came out in the "disco era" so I rated it higher at the time than I do now, but I still like it. "With A Little Luck" was described by Paul as a grownup version of "We Can Work It Out". I like that description. As a single it stood way above anything else in the USA top 40 at the time too. I like the description of "Famous Groupies" as quirky. "Deliver Your Children" has a nice "folk/rock" sound. I enjoy the Elvis sound to "Name And Address". There is a nice feeling to "Don't Let It Bring You Down". "Morse Moose And The Gray Goose" goes beyond quirky into bizarre. I usually like Paul's songs with different types of musical parts, but this was my least favorite track at the time of release. Consequently I now don't mind it as much because I skipped it so often it has more of a newer sound to me. Agree with RTP it has more of a B-side feel.
So it is LONDON TOWN easily with only "Snookeroo" making any threat at changing my vote.
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 5, 2010 22:21:12 GMT -5
I actually like London Town, it's a nice driving to work album and it works for me around about Easter time each year.
Ringo's side of Vienna is ok, it has a couple of good songs but I really don't like Ringo's singing on this album, it grates on my nerves.
So, it's London Town Side 2 for me. And I do agree with RTP that Don't Let It Bring You Down is a great song.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 5, 2010 22:41:00 GMT -5
LONDON TOWN, Side 2
Wow, this was harder than I thought because neither Side is among my favorites. I like about two songs off each album but I like the two on Paul's more! ;D
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 6, 2010 10:39:55 GMT -5
Agree with Joe, "WIth A Little Luck" is okay but a bit twee. And thats the best song of the side. Still, Ringo gets trounced again (no wonder his eyes were so sad). How could Ringo make such bad albums even with songwriters like John Lennon and Elton John/BernieTaupin? I guess it was all them double Brandy Alexanders.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 6, 2010 12:36:16 GMT -5
I went for Ringo's side. There are more on LT 2 that I don't like, and while I enjoy it, I think "With A Little Luck" goes on too long on the album. (I can't quite recall the single edit as I sit here).
GV 1 gets off to a good start with the first couple of tracks, "Oo-Wee" is OK and "Snookeroo" is a good closer. "Husbands And Wives" is a bit of a downer, but nothing like "Morse Moose" or "Famous Groupies" on LT 2.
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Post by JCV on Dec 6, 2010 12:46:49 GMT -5
LONDON TOWN, Side 2Sorry, Snookeroo. JCV 
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Post by mikev on Dec 6, 2010 13:02:05 GMT -5
GOODNIGHT VIENNA, Side 1 1."(It's All Da-Da-Down To) Goodnight Vienna" 8 not one of Lennon's greatest-come to think of it= none of John's songs to Ringo (nor Paul's) had any chart action. Not to split hairs, but is "I'm the Greatest" the exception that proves the rule? Otherwise, I agree with your insight... You'd think John and Paul would have given Richie something "tastier", but what's done is done, alas... If I'm the Greatest was so "great", why was it not released as a single? Hell it was as close to the Beatles as you'll ever get including "All Those Years Ago", in which Ringo's drums were already done and Paul's backing vocals sound like they were run through "autotune"... I'm not looking to argue...I like the song, but I also "like" Cooking, GV, 6 O'Clock, Private Parts and Pure Gold. |
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Post by joeyself on Dec 6, 2010 14:20:41 GMT -5
Not to split hairs, but is "I'm the Greatest" the exception that proves the rule? Otherwise, I agree with your insight... You'd think John and Paul would have given Richie something "tastier", but what's done is done, alas... If I'm the Greatest was so "great", why was it not released as a single? Just because it wasn't released as a single doesn't mean it's not great. Witness "Maybe I'm Amazed" (until the live version, I mean), much of ALL THINGS MUST PASS, "Remember" from POB, "Too Many People," and so on. Plus, the three singles pulled from RINGO did just fine; "I'm The Greatest" didn't quite have the radio-friendly sound for 1973-74. JcS |
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Post by mikev on Dec 6, 2010 15:13:39 GMT -5
If I'm the Greatest was so "great", why was it not released as a single? Just because it wasn't released as a single doesn't mean it's not great. Witness "Maybe I'm Amazed" (until the live version, I mean), much of ALL THINGS MUST PASS, "Remember" from POB, "Too Many People," and so on. Plus, the three singles pulled from RINGO did just fine; "I'm The Greatest" didn't quite have the radio-friendly sound for 1973-74. JcS It's a solid album cut- just not a rock "classic" IMO. I never heard it on FM radio ever. It wasn't until I read that three Beatles played on it and bought the 8 track cassette that I even heard it around 1979. |
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You'd think John and Paul would have given Richie something "tastier", but what's done is done, alas... 
