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Post by joeyself on Nov 8, 2010 23:09:28 GMT -5
MCCARTNEY II, Side 1 vs. BAD BOY, Side 1
MCCARTNEY II, Side 1
"Coming Up" – 3:53 "Temporary Secretary" – 3:14 "On the Way" – 3:38 "Waterfalls" – 4:42 "Nobody Knows" – 2:52
BAD BOY, Side 1
"Who Needs a Heart" (Richard Starkey/Vini Poncia) – 3:48 "Bad Boy" (Lil Armstrong/Avon Long) – 3:14 "Lipstick Traces (On a Cigarette)" (Naomi Neville) – 3:01 "Heart On My Sleeve" (Benny Gallagher/Graham Lyle) – 3:20 "Where Did Our Love Go" (Eddie Holland/Lamont Dozier/Brian Holland) – 3:15
The last album, chronologically, in this tournament for both Paul and Ringo are pitted in this match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2010 4:40:27 GMT -5
BAD BOY, Side 1
I'm not a big fan of the McCartney II album...hence...i've voted for Bad Boy....
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Post by mikev on Nov 9, 2010 9:22:38 GMT -5
MCCARTNEY II, Side 1
Coming Up*** never liked this but enjoyed the video Temporary Secretary *** annoying but more interesting than Coming Up On the Way*** Waterfalls****might have been a five if not for some of the bad lyrics and the cheesy 70s electric piano and synths Nobody Knows** 15
BAD BOY, Side 1
Who Needs a Heart*** Bad Boy* boyoyoyoyoyo Lipstick Traces (On a Cigarette)** Heart On My Sleeve**** Where Did Our Love Go*** 13
If these two clunkers tied, the edge would go to Paul for musicianship and original songs.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 9, 2010 10:00:28 GMT -5
Wow, this is tough as BB-1 is not a terrible Side with one exception.
On MCCARTNEY II, Side 1, I really like "On The Way" and "Waterfalls." Very strong by Paul. "Coming Up" has never been a favorite for me in any form. I actively disliked this studio version when it first came out but it has happily grown on me, but not that much. TS is an earworm, it gets in my brain and I can't get it out but that is not a compliment. I went through a string of "temps" once looking for the right legal secretary and I would almost sing out and imitate Paul when saying the words "temporary secretary" to someone in conversation. I had to fight the urge to do that! ;D "Nobody Knows" is rollicking but never fired my imagination as the two songs I mentioned at the start.
BAD BOY, Side 1, is decent. It would have been much better had Ringo invested some blood, sweat and tears into the making of this album. I really get the feeling that in this period, an often impaired, indifferent Ringo was flown into the studio, laid down his vocals as quickly as possible, may or may not have done some back-up drumming and then was flown out again.
"Who Needs a Heart" (Richard Starkey/Vini Poncia): a nice upbeat start! I like this more than 95% of the material on Y Not. Promising start. "Bad Boy" (Lil Armstrong/Avon Long): a fun song with some charisma. The boooooyyyyyyy is kind of fun. "Lipstick Traces (On a Cigarette)" (Naomi Neville) : another good uptempo song from Ringo. I wonder if songwriter Naomi Neville is part of the Neville family in New Orleans? So far so good on this side. "Heart On My Sleeve" (Benny Gallagher/Graham Lyle): This is a standout, the best track on the album. Ringo didn't write it but it fits our image of Ringo as the vulnerable, lovable misfit. I never tire of hearing this song(maybe because I don't hear it that often) and I always hit "repeat" when it is done. "Where Did Our Love Go" (Eddie Holland/Lamont Dozier/Brian Holland): This is the dud here and I have seen it called in writing, "the worst Supremes' cover ever." In fairness it is not terrible but Ringo is just going through the motions, there is no passion, no ex-lover's angst as The Supremes gave it.
This is hard but I will surprise a few here by voting Bad Boy-1. My head says I should vote for Paul's all original MII-1 but my heart says go with Ringo. From 1978 to 1982, I played this Ringo album more than Paul's but I have changed that more recently.
I am not criticizing McCartney II-1 because I have really grown to appreciate it but BB-1 was a surprisingly good effort by Ringo when Ring's head wasn't always on right.
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Post by mikev on Nov 9, 2010 11:26:48 GMT -5
Wow, this is tough as BB-1 is not a terrible Side with one exception. On MCCARTNEY II, Side 1, I really like "On The Way" and "Waterfalls." Very strong by Paul. "Coming Up" has never been a favorite for me in any form. I actively disliked this studio version when it first came out but it has happily grown on me, but not that much. TS is an earworm, it gets in my brain and I can't get it out but that is not a compliment. I went through a string of "temps" once looking for the right legal secretary and I would almost sing out and imitate Paul when saying the words "temporary secretary" to someone in conversation. I had to fight the urge to do that! ;D "Nobody Knows" is rollicking but never fired my imagination as the two songs I mentioned at the start. BAD BOY, Side 1, is decent. It would have been much better had Ringo invested some blood, sweat and tears into the making of this album. I really get the feeling that in this period, an often impaired, indifferent Ringo was flown into the studio, laid down his vocals as quickly as possible, may or may not have done some back-up drumming and then was flown out again. "Who Needs a Heart" (Richard Starkey/Vini Poncia): a nice upbeat start! I like this more than 95% of the material on Y Not. Promising start. "Bad Boy" (Lil Armstrong/Avon Long): a fun song with some charisma. The boooooyyyyyyy is kind of fun. "Lipstick Traces (On a Cigarette)" (Naomi Neville) : another good uptempo song from Ringo. I wonder if songwriter Naomi Neville is part of the Neville family in New Orleans? So far so good on this side. "Heart On My Sleeve" (Benny Gallagher/Graham Lyle): This is a standout, the best track on the album. Ringo didn't write it but it fits our image of Ringo as the vulnerable, lovable misfit. I never tire of hearing this song(maybe because I don't hear it that often) and I always hit "repeat" when it is done. "Where Did Our Love Go" (Eddie Holland/Lamont Dozier/Brian Holland): This is the dud here and I have seen it called in writing, "the worst Supremes' cover ever." In fairness it is not terrible but Ringo is just going through the motions, there is no passion, no ex-lover's angst as The Supremes gave it. This is hard but I will surprise a few here by voting Bad Boy-1. My head says I should vote for Paul's all original MII-1 but my heart says go with Ringo. From 1978 to 1982, I played this Ringo album more than Paul's but I have changed that more recently. I am not criticizing McCartney II-1 because I have really grown to appreciate it but BB-1 was a surprisingly good effort by Ringo when Ring's head wasn't always on right. Maybe this belongs in another thread- but it is amazing how many Ringo "videos" exist in the post "Ringo" LP era, including Ringo Bald
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Post by coachbk on Nov 9, 2010 11:29:08 GMT -5
MCARTNEY II gets my vote because Paul was at least trying to do something creative while Ringo was just going through the motions with a bunch of only occasionally inspired covers. As to MCII, I prefer the live "Coming Up", but the studio is still OK (and a great video). "Temporary Secretary" has very annoying vocals and lyrics, but a nice early techno type beat. "On The Way" is filler. "Waterfalls" is OK ,but I think could have been a classic. It is too long and could use some typical McCartney musical variety. "Nobody Knows" is OK, but nothing great either. Not a strong album side, but it gets by Ringo's BB.
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Post by JCV on Nov 9, 2010 13:06:32 GMT -5
MCCARTNEY II, Side 1When Paul played "Coming Up" in concert it was pretty good. I'm not a big fan of this album, either, but I like it better than Ringo's. JCV
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Post by vectisfabber on Nov 9, 2010 13:28:24 GMT -5
I abstain.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 9, 2010 17:32:17 GMT -5
I went with McCARTNEY II but it was really quite a close match. I think Ringo's Side 1 of the BB album is quite solid, except for the Supremes cover.
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Post by acebackwords on Nov 9, 2010 19:21:10 GMT -5
I voted for McCartney only because of "Coming Up" -- which I feel kind of schitzophrenic about. In some moods it sounds pretty cool and inventive, while other times its cheesey and annoying. And I have to second the general consesus on "Temporary Secretary" -- I can't change the dial fast enough when that one comes on the radio. Its like being subjected to a dentists drill or something. Hard to ignore though you wish you could.
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Post by joeyself on Nov 9, 2010 20:38:32 GMT -5
And I have to second the general consesus on "Temporary Secretary" -- I can't change the dial fast enough when that one comes on the radio. I can't say for sure that I've EVER heard "Temporary Secretary" on the radio... JcS
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Post by ursamajor on Nov 9, 2010 22:35:36 GMT -5
I can't vote yet as I have not heard Bad Boy in a long time but I remember it was ok. I will listen again as it may give Big Mac II a run for its money. And LOL at mikev's Bad Boy-oy-oy-oy-oy-oy ... I remember that, this may swing it Ringo's way for me
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Post by stavros on Nov 10, 2010 14:28:30 GMT -5
I've gone with McCartney even though I only really rate "Waterfalls". It could have been so much better using strings and a a grand piano had Paul saved it for another day. "Coming Up" has never really impressed me whilst the other tracks are just filler.
As for Bad Boy . Well Richie is still going through the motions. Even though this side is perfectly listenable it is far from original. Paul edges it for being original.
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Post by joeyself on Nov 10, 2010 14:34:03 GMT -5
I'm still thinking this one over, and since I don't drink, I can't turn to Guinness to help me decide. On the one hand, I bought MC2 right after it was released, and played it several times to try to like it, since I'd just spent some hard earned money on it. On the other, I only got BAD BOY in the late '90's when I was completing my solo collection (since rendered incomplete again by Ringo's live albums and LIVERPOOL 8). I played it a couple of times then, and at least once in the past five years, so I don't have a great memory of it as I do MC2. BB just doesn't interest me, as I have so many other albums/downloads I can listen to these days.
But because I DO have a good recollection of MC 2, I'm finding it hard to vote for it--it's just not very good.
Ponder, ponder...
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 10, 2010 15:08:49 GMT -5
I'm still thinking this one over, and since I don't drink, I can't turn to Guinness to help me decide. Well, that's a pity. On the other hand, I can recommend other aids to pondering if you want. McCabe
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Nov 10, 2010 16:47:14 GMT -5
In the case of ties:
Joey Self referred to side 2 of McCartney II. It gave me an idea of looking at this in a broader context. In the case of too close to call, if you use the technique of putting the best songs from one album against the best from the other, that is bound to break the logjam. In this case, the live version of Coming Up (No. 1 single for 3 weeks in June 1980) was part of the album package and its b-side Lunch Box/Odd Sox was better than the instrumentals on the album.
Side 1 of Bad Boy is clearly the better side of that album, but that is compared to side 2 which is not very good.
Here are the best songs from each album. I know that is not the challenge before us. However, if two sides are so close I give the nod to the stronger overall album.
McCartney II 1. Coming Up (Live at Glasgow) 2. On the Way 3. Lunch Box/Odd Sox 4. Summer's Day Song 5. Waterfalls 6. One of These Days
Bad Boy 1. Who Needs a Heart 2. Bad Boy 3. Lipstick Traces (On a Cigarette) 4. Heart On My Sleeve 5. Hard Times 6. A Man Like Me
This is almost a no-brainer. McCartney II is stronger.
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Post by acebackwords on Nov 10, 2010 17:11:27 GMT -5
And I have to second the general consesus on "Temporary Secretary" -- I can't change the dial fast enough when that one comes on the radio. I can't say for sure that I've EVER heard "Temporary Secretary" on the radio... JcS Here in San Francisco -- land of the ironically hip -- we used to have a cool FM DJ who probably liked to smoke too much pot and used to inflict this one on his listeners on a semi-regular basis.
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Post by joeyself on Nov 11, 2010 7:37:21 GMT -5
In the case of ties: Joey Self referred to side 2 of McCartney II. No, I didn't, but I can see where you think I did. I used the shorthand "MC 2" instead of writing out MCCARTNEY II. As I've said many times, whatever criteria a voter uses for making a decision is as good as any other, but to use songs from the flip side of the record flies completely in the face of what we're doing here--examining the individual sides as listening experiences. In the days of vinyl, thought was given to the presentation of each side--content, sequencing and timing--that is now much different in the era of CD dominance. And we're coming to a point where CDs are losing their importance, being replaced by what was the king in the 50's up through the mid-60's--the single track, via iTunes and the like. JcS
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Post by theman on Nov 13, 2010 11:26:54 GMT -5
MACCA, Side 1
Not one of my favorites, although I like the hypnotic nature of "Temporary Secretary" (always liked his vocals around the "you can be a belly dancer" part) and the amaturish rockabilly of "Nobody Knows."
Ringo, huh? Well, I do think "Heart on My Sleeve" is one of his better tracks. I might have even included it on the "Photograph" retrospective. But how can someone record such a solid track like that one and then follow it up with such an uninspired cover of such a classic song like "Where Did Our Love Go". Man, while I think he did well with songs like "You're Sixteen" and even "Hey Baby", the formula was dead at this point.
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