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Post by joeyself on Oct 20, 2010 12:27:19 GMT -5
BACK TO THE EGG, Side 2 vs. WONDERWALL, Side 2
BACK TO THE EGG, Side 2
1. Rockestra Theme (2:35)
2. To You (3:12)
3. After The Ball / Million Miles (4:00)
4. Winter Rose / Love Awake (4:57)
5. The Broadcast (1:29)
6. So Glad To See You Here (4:20)
7. Baby's Request (2:49)
WONDERWALL, Side 2
1. "Party Seacombe" – 4:34
2. "Love Scene" – 4:17
3. "Crying" – 1:15
4. "Cowboy Music" – 1:29
5. "Fantasy Sequins" – 1:50
6. "On the Bed" – 1:05
7. "Glass Box" – 2:22
8. "Wonderwall to Be Here" – 1:25
9. "Singing Om" – 1:54
Luck of the draw gives us the second side of two albums we've already seen--WONDERWALL very recently.
JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 20, 2010 14:01:56 GMT -5
EGG.
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Post by coachbk on Oct 20, 2010 14:12:57 GMT -5
I voted for BACK TO THE EGG. I like both of the Rockestra tracks, the two medleys and "Baby's Request". None are great, but all are good.
I listened to most of the WONDERWALL tracks on YouTube recently. I like "Party Seacombe" quite a bit. It was easily the best song on this side, though it went on a bit too long. "Love Scene" was so boring I couldn't make it all the way through it before moving on to another song. The rest are short and OK, but didn't blow me away.
I'll take the one instrumental of BTTE over a mostly instrumental release like WW any day!
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 20, 2010 16:12:36 GMT -5
I must apologize to all here for voting for Wonderwall-1 in an earlier Match without hunting down every song on YouTube as I do not have the album.
I went on my memory of the actual movie soundtrack but enough posters here have asserted that all WW songs are available in their entirety on YouTube.
I did not use due diligence and I owe JoeySelf, Ringo Starr and my fellow posters here an apology for a rash vote.
I will not do that here even though I suspect I'd vote for BTTE-2 even after hearing WW-2.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 20, 2010 16:19:30 GMT -5
I must apologize to all here for voting for Wonderwall-1 in an earlier Match without hunting down every song on YouTube as I do not have the album. I went on my memory of the actual movie soundtrack but enough posters here have asserted that all WW songs are available in their entirety on YouTube. I did not use due diligence and I owe JoeySelf, Ringo Starr and my fellow posters here an apology for a rash vote. I will not do that here even though I suspect I'd vote for BTTE-2 even after hearing WW-2. This ain't a real election, JSD; if you change your mind about a choice and let me know, I can adjust the totals off the board if it makes a difference in the final outcome. JcS |
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 20, 2010 16:23:01 GMT -5
Fully understand mate when your memory is almost full it can be difficult to make .. BTTE 2 for me, that'll be fried on toast please .. yes .. with bacon .. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 20, 2010 16:48:24 GMT -5
Fully understand mate when your memory is almost full it can be difficult to make .. Hey, speaking of Beatles' lyrics, that line of yours, ursa, is better than most of theirs!  |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 20, 2010 16:54:21 GMT -5
Too conservative by half, everyone! Hey, you don't check out Wonderwall on You Tube. Low quality sound, distractions from the screen. It's as silly as judging the Beatles remasters in a car! So how do you listen best to make the most informed choice about Wonderwall, or any psychedelic music. I think you know, everyone ----  and  , and, certainly, a good sound system. Then the mundane suburban pop and pseudo-rock from Paulie on Egg will be seen for what it is: pretentious twaddle. Wonderwall for me! McCabe |
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Post by joeyself on Oct 20, 2010 17:01:20 GMT -5
I went through all the WONDERWALL tracks again:
1. "Party Seacombe" – 4:34 A pleasant rewrite of "Flying" from MMT, at least for the first couple of minutes; unlike "Flying," it didn't wrap up and call it quits soon enough. I assume that's Ringo on the drums, as it sounds like his tom-tom work.
2. "Love Scene" – 4:17 As I said when looking at side one, I'm not a fan of Indian music, but like it better when accompanied by percussion (this has that element) and ends quickly. This goes on too long.
3. "Crying" – 1:15 I couldn't find this one on YouTube. The clip I located on Georgeharrison.com only lasted 30 seconds or so, but that was plenty for me.
4. "Cowboy Music" – 1:29 Gabby Hayes could have walked across the screen to this tune!
5. "Fantasy Sequins" – 1:50 Clever title; again, not all of it on YouTube.
6. "On the Bed" – 1:05 It didn't last long enough to get old, and may have worked in the context of the film well.
7. "Glass Box" – 2:22 A bit of a blend of Western and Indian influences. Over before it wore out its welcome. (Listener beware: I think the titles were switched on YouTube between this and "On The Bed." The timing looks to be reversed. I moved my thoughts of "On The Bed" to this one after playing the clip on Harrison's site)
8. "Wonderwall to Be Here" – 1:25 Piano driven incidental music, nothing more or less.
9. "Singing Om" – 1:54 Aptly titled. Nothing special.
So, having sat through all of those, I can easily pick BTTE 2 over this collection of Indian and Western tracks. I'm not a big fan of the two medleys on side two of BTTE, but the first two and last two tracks would be enough to carry BTTE 2 past many sides in this tournament.
JcS
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Post by joeyself on Oct 20, 2010 17:04:47 GMT -5
Too conservative by half, everyone! Hey, you don't check out Wonderwall on You Tube. Low quality sound, distractions from the screen. It's as silly as judging the Beatles remasters in a car! So how do you listen best to make the most informed choice about Wonderwall, or any psychedelic music. I think you know, everyone ---- and , and, certainly, a good sound system. Then the mundane suburban pop and pseudo-rock from Paulie on Egg will be seen for what it is: pretentious twaddle. Wonderwall for me! McCabe I don't pretend to enjoy Indian influenced material just so I can say I do; I'm not accusing you or anyone else of that, mind you, but it's just not what I enjoy listening to, and certainly not an entire side at a time, be it on a great stereo or be it on my laptop. "So Glad To See You Here" is not pseudo-rock, though. It cooks quite nicely. JcS |
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Post by mikev on Oct 20, 2010 18:15:55 GMT -5
We have Tork, Clapton and Harrison with Starr competing wih Page, Gilmour, Townshend, McCartney and Bonham....
Seriously, this is apples and oranges... but I have to give it to the Egg. I think the LP has aged better than some others.
Wonderwall is a 1966-68 timepiece. Back to the Egg falls in the 75-85 rock sound range.
Okay maybe under some "influences"...Wonderwall would be more filling.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Oct 20, 2010 18:29:28 GMT -5
BTTE 2 rocks!
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 21, 2010 4:44:23 GMT -5
Wonderwall did inspire Oasis' Wonderwall, so I'll give it something that's not hard c'mon c'mon.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 21, 2010 6:10:06 GMT -5
It's as silly as judging the Beatles remasters in a car! Until you listen to the sound system of my car, you have no idea. Best sound system I've ever heard. CDs never sounded so great. I can hear subtle nuances I'd never picked up before. And I've heard a lot of indoor sound systems and have owned many over the decades, inside the home. State of the art stuff it was, too. And for the purposes of these rounds there's nothing at all wrong with accessing WONDERWALL (or any other album) online at YouTube, weak quality or not, just to hear the actual "songs" and get an idea of them for a vote here. It's not about "which side has the best sonics", it's about which album side you prefer. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 7:10:53 GMT -5
BACK TO THE EGG, Side 2
I'm not a big fan of Back to the Egg but , i've voted for it here because i'm even less a fan of Wonderwall.....
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 21, 2010 7:31:19 GMT -5
BACK TO THE EGG, Side 2 I'm not a big fan of Back to the Egg but , i've voted for it here because i'm even less a fan of Wonderwall..... Holy cow! The George Avenger is voting for Egg!  |
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 21, 2010 7:32:54 GMT -5
McCabe is right. I must purchase legally Wonderwall and listen to it on a home stereo system and in an altered state of mind.
Finally, homework I'll enjoy!
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Post by JCV on Oct 21, 2010 13:41:36 GMT -5
BACK TO THE EGG, Side 2JCV
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 21, 2010 14:02:04 GMT -5
This just may surprise you. After much thought I pick...
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 21, 2010 14:03:33 GMT -5
Back To The Egg, Side 2
Did you doubt it for a moment?
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Post by stavros on Oct 21, 2010 14:14:17 GMT -5
Whilst "Party Seacombe" is a track I am fond of because of it's link to my local ferry to Liverpool I have to say that "Egg 2" winds hands down. "Rockestra Theme" could have been better and is not a good opening track. "To You" is a better attempt at the New Wave sound than "Spin It On" on side 1 and then I love the medley After the Ball/ Million Miles/ Winter Rose/ Love Awake/ "The Broadcast" is a bit odd but doesn't disgrace the album "So Glad to See You Here" is a much better rock track than the opener and maybe should have been a single. And "Baby's Request" is one of those great songs Paul conjures up that sounds so familiar on first listen and ends the album nicely as you do want to listen to it "..just one more time and then we'll go to bed" |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 21, 2010 15:15:44 GMT -5
Until you listen to the sound system of my car, you have no idea. Best sound system I've ever heard. CDs never sounded so great. I can hear subtle nuances I'd never picked up before. And I've heard a lot of indoor sound systems and have owned many over the decades, inside the home. State of the art stuff it was, too. No matter how good one's in-car sound system is, a car is a terrible acoustic environment. If anyone thinks their music sounds best in their car, then their indoor sound gear and/or indoor acoustic environment is poor. The stereo stage of Wonderwall is essential to a full appreciation of what's going on in some tracks. The "sonics" of any music is impotant in appreciating it: it is one of the factors that draws you to preferring one piece over another. YouTube removes that factor. BTW, that is one of the reasons why mono mixes can be such a different aural experience. The stereo stage is factored out, yes; but the mixing may (say) "unbury" certain instruments (eg, making bass guitar more prominent), or introduce elements not present in the stereo mix (eg, phasing). Wonderwall, stereo or mono, is a great close-listening experience (and, being serious for a moment you don't need - er - helping influences ...although ....) McCabe |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 21, 2010 15:17:40 GMT -5
McCabe is right. I must purchase legally Wonderwall and listen to it on a home stereo system and in an altered state of mind. Finally, homework I'll enjoy! Headphones + = very ;D |
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Post by joeyself on Oct 21, 2010 16:38:12 GMT -5
Whilst "Party Seacombe" is a track I am fond of because of it's link to my local ferry to Liverpool I have to say that "Egg 2" winds hands down. "Rockestra Theme" could have been better and is not a good opening track. "To You" is a better attempt at the New Wave sound than "Spin It On" on side 1 and then I love the medley After the Ball/ Million Miles/ Winter Rose/ Love Awake/ "The Broadcast" is a bit odd but doesn't disgrace the album "So Glad to See You Here" is a much better rock track than the opener and maybe should have been a single. And "Baby's Request" is one of those great songs Paul conjures up that sounds so familiar on first listen and ends the album nicely as you do want to listen to it "..just one more time and then we'll go to bed" I'm not going to RTPville here, but I think BTTE would have been improved if Paul had thought a bit about making "We're Open Tonight" and "So Glad To See You Here" the first couple of songs. Like he was inviting us into a "rock show," the doors are open and the band is glad to see the crowd. JcS |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 21, 2010 18:47:31 GMT -5
Whilst "Party Seacombe" is a track I am fond of because of it's link to my local ferry to Liverpool I have to say that "Egg 2" winds hands down. "Rockestra Theme" could have been better and is not a good opening track. "To You" is a better attempt at the New Wave sound than "Spin It On" on side 1 and then I love the medley After the Ball/ Million Miles/ Winter Rose/ Love Awake/ "The Broadcast" is a bit odd but doesn't disgrace the album "So Glad to See You Here" is a much better rock track than the opener and maybe should have been a single. And "Baby's Request" is one of those great songs Paul conjures up that sounds so familiar on first listen and ends the album nicely as you do want to listen to it "..just one more time and then we'll go to bed" I'm not going to RTPville here, but I think BTTE would have been improved if Paul had thought a bit about making "We're Open Tonight" and "So Glad To See You Here" the first couple of songs. Like he was inviting us into a "rock show," the doors are open and the band is glad to see the crowd. JcS Right. So Glad To See You Here should have been the second song on the first side. He should have reprised the chorus as he did on Band on the Run at the end of the album with a fade out instead of reprising We're Open Tonight. He should have replaced Baby's Request with Cage and added Daytime Nighttime Suffering both of which fit better. He could have used Baby's Request as b-side to Goodnight Tonight which was correctly left off the album. And put the rockers together on the first side. Side 1 1. We're Open Tonight 2. So Glad To See You Here (drop Open Tonight reprise) 3. Getting Closer 4. Spin It On 5. Old Siam Sir 6. To You 7. Arrow Through Me Side 2 1. Rockestra Theme 2. Again and Again and Again 3. After The Ball / Million Miles 4. Winter Rose / Love Awake 5. The Broadcast 6. Daytime Nighttime Suffering 7. Cage 8. So Glad To See You Here (Reprise) Single Goodnight Tonight / Baby's Request One is a fast dance number and the other a slow dance number. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 22, 2010 6:42:48 GMT -5
Right. So Glad To See You Here should have been the second song on the first side. He should have reprised the chorus as he did on Band on the Run at the end of the album with a fade out instead of reprising We're Open Tonight. There's no "right" about it. It's only a matter of opinion. And why have him follow "as he did on BAND ON THE RUN"? Should things always be exactly the same, or isn't variety and change nice? I love the powerful opening with RECEPTION/GETTING CLOSER, and I like WE'RE OPEN TONIGHT coming along right after. I think SO GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE is just the jolt we need late in the album, right after THE BROADCAST. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 22, 2010 6:51:06 GMT -5
No matter how good one's in-car sound system is, a car is a terrible acoustic environment. If anyone thinks their music sounds best in their car, then their indoor sound gear and/or indoor acoustic environment is poor. As long as the music sounds sensational to me, what's it to you? And you have absolutely no place whatsoever, not ever having heard my various system(s) over the decades, both in home and this latest car system, to make any such judgment. Fine, but what do you expect when people are on a message board and wish to cast a vote, without owning any one album side? Sure, all albums benefit mightily from listening on a great sound system, but the computer's still more than good enough to get a taste as to which side one prefers for these tourneys. Don't forget that people came to love The Beatles and fall in love with their music in 1964 just by hearing their earliest songs over a cruddy litle AM transistor radio, or little hi fi phonographs at home. Would you tell those same fans that they cannot make a solid judgment unless they now go and buy the CD Remasters and buy a $1,000 sound system in 2010? |
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Post by nine on Oct 22, 2010 7:51:41 GMT -5
No matter how good one's in-car sound system is, a car is a terrible acoustic environment. If anyone thinks their music sounds best in their car, then their indoor sound gear and/or indoor acoustic environment is poor. As long as the music sounds sensational to me, what's it to you? And you have absolutely no place whatsoever, not ever having heard my various system(s) over the decades, both in home and this latest car system, to make any such judgment. Fine, but what do you expect when people are on a message board and wish to cast a vote, without owning any one album side? Sure, all albums benefit mightily from listening on a great sound system, but the computer's still more than good enough to get a taste as to which side one prefers for these tourneys. Don't forget that people came to love The Beatles and fall in love with their music in 1964 just by hearing their earliest songs over a cruddy litle AM transistor radio, or little hi fi phonographs at home. Would you tell those same fans that they cannot make a solid judgment unless they now go and buy the CD Remasters and buy a $1,000 sound system in 2010? Wasn't the Get Back mix designed for crappy little record players? I don't have a great system. It's the songs for me, the tunes and riffs. They still sound great on headphones. |
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Post by coachbk on Oct 22, 2010 11:46:21 GMT -5
I would never take "Baby's Request" off this album. It is a great song for that style of music.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 22, 2010 14:44:16 GMT -5
----------------and buy a $1,000 sound system in 2010? I'm only going to make one comment in reply, and it's this: if you think a $1000 sound system is even near the high standard league, then your ears have been deprived! McCabe |
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