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Post by brothermichael on Jan 28, 2011 21:38:59 GMT -5
We can forgive John his grammatical lapse: "I just believe in me...Yoko and me" (should be Yoko and I") but how do you rhyme that? "...Yoko and I. Now Paul can REALLY die." No. Personally, I always preferred saying "Joe and me" or "Bill and me" or whatever. Just sounds better to me. And I have to fight with editors every time they try and change it on grammatical grounds. As long as we're conducting grammar lessons, I have to ask: Do you mean... Joe and me went to the store. (wrong) Joe gave the tickets to Bill and me. (correct) ? What editors would even stand for a dispute so simple to solve, if I may ask?
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 29, 2011 0:08:20 GMT -5
Yoko and me believe in reality. Yoko and I believe in reality. In this case, it is correct to use a pronoun that will be appropriate whether you are referring to yourself or to you and another person. Hence when you remover reference to the other person, the sentence must still read the same. Remove reference to Yoko you have Me believe in reality or I believe in reality. The latter is correct. Sorry, wrong. You've changed the sentence and the pronoun to the subjective case. As written in the song, it's objective case. "I just believe in me, (I just believe in) Yoko and me." You're right. I realized it right after I sent my last post. I couldn't get back here until now. Technically though he should say "I just believe in myself", not "I just believe in me".
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 29, 2011 0:12:21 GMT -5
Personally, I always preferred saying "Joe and me" or "Bill and me" or whatever. Just sounds better to me. And I have to fight with editors every time they try and change it on grammatical grounds. As long as we're conducting grammar lessons, I have to ask: Do you mean... Joe and me went to the store. (wrong) Joe gave the tickets to Bill and me. (correct) ? What editors would even stand for a dispute so simple to solve, if I may ask? A sentence like "Joe and me are good friends" is wrong but it has become a more common part of the vernacular.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 29, 2011 0:15:35 GMT -5
Yoko and me believe in reality. Yoko and I believe in reality. In this case, it is correct to use a pronoun that will be appropriate whether you are referring to yourself or to you and another person. Hence when you remover reference to the other person, the sentence must still read the same. Remove reference to Yoko you have Me believe in reality or I believe in reality. The latter is correct. You have no idea at all! Let's take it one step at a time. (1) "in" is a prepositon. The noun it governs is in the objective case. (2) In English, most words don't change their form with their case. (3) The first person pronoun does change its form with its case. The objective case of the first person pronoun is "me". So, it's "in me", not "in I". (4) So, "I just believe in me" is correct. And when John continues, "Yoko and me", he is telling us he believes in Yoko as well. He's saying in effect "I ... believe in Yoko and me". It still has to be "me", because of the preposition "in". Easy, when you know how. Check up on what I say, by all means. Consult references. And when you realize you are wrong, come back and say so ... if you're big enough. McCabe PS (added later when I saw brothermichael had responded) - I was composing my post as brothermichael replied. I wanted it clear we responded independently. Brothermichael is totally correct - and more succinct than me!McCabe you are right. I lept too quickly to a conclusion. I still think it should be I just believe in myself, but that is minor.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 29, 2011 13:13:25 GMT -5
Yoko and me believe in reality. Yoko and I believe in reality. In this case, it is correct to use a pronoun that will be appropriate whether you are referring to yourself or to you and another person. Hence when you remover reference to the other person, the sentence must still read the same. Remove reference to Yoko you have Me believe in reality or I believe in reality. The latter is correct. ARE YOU KIDDING US??? IT'S A SONG!!!What's next, are you gonna tell us AIN'T THAT A SHAME is not right, and neither is BE BOP A LU LA??? You are incredible. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 29, 2011 13:24:00 GMT -5
What about the grammar error that never was: Live and Let Die. As I began reading this, I actually thought you were going to finally give Paul his share of the criticism over his lyrics... Ooops. I Should Have Known Better... Of course, you're only defending Paul again. So now I've got to run down the lyrics of every single song Paul ever recorded, just to point out the ones where he may have been incorrect with his grammar? No, I'm not going to do that. Rest assured they exist, and that you will have some sycophant way of explaining them away.
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Post by acebackwords on Feb 2, 2011 13:49:22 GMT -5
Yoko and me believe in reality. Yoko and I believe in reality. In this case, it is correct to use a pronoun that will be appropriate whether you are referring to yourself or to you and another person. Hence when you remover reference to the other person, the sentence must still read the same. Remove reference to Yoko you have Me believe in reality or I believe in reality. The latter is correct. You have no idea at all! Let's take it one step at a time. (1) "in" is a prepositon. The noun it governs is in the objective case. (2) In English, most words don't change their form with their case. (3) The first person pronoun does change its form with its case. The objective case of the first person pronoun is "me". So, it's "in me", not "in I". (4) So, "I just believe in me" is correct. And when John continues, "Yoko and me", he is telling us he believes in Yoko as well. He's saying in effect "I ... believe in Yoko and me". It still has to be "me", because of the preposition "in". Easy, when you know how. Check up on what I say, by all means. Consult references. And when you realize you are wrong, come back and say so ... if you're big enough. McCabe PS (added later when I saw brothermichael had responded) - I was composing my post as brothermichael replied. I wanted it clear we responded independently. Brothermichael is totally correct - and more succinct than me!Geez, how many barroom brawls have started over personal pronoun disputes.
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