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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 29, 2011 15:51:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but it seems like George shot his wad with ATMP and didn't recover until later in the decade with the George Harrison album. 33 1/3 was spotty though it did have two fine songs: Beautiful Girl and Crackerbox Palace. GH album was more consistent. Unlike JSD, I don't think time hasn't been very kind to this album. I do like it a bit better today than when it first came out, but that's not saying much. BOTR rules. Living in the Material World is lethargic rock at its worst. George couldn't get that group of nameless faceless nobodies backing him up to rock if their life depended on it. Lumbering in the Material World is more appropriate. What a load of rubbish you've just written. You couldn't be that objective about Paul's music if your life depended on it. You don't think BAND ON THE RUN is dated? Then you're in La La Land. I think it's hilarious for you to analyze what was so "wrong" with George's LPs up to the GEORGE HARRISON album where you think Paul was on track with every musical thing he did, and every bead of sweat that ever oozed out of his pores. I think its reasonable. It takes all of us time to come back after we've shot our wad. |
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Post by scousette on Jan 29, 2011 15:54:24 GMT -5
It is an honor, Sir, to have my own The JSD Postulate used to knock my opinions and I(is that right, or is it "me"?) on the ground. ;D Hey, BOTR lovers, I was in your shoes years ago when, like you now, I was young and carefree. I would play LITMW and it would almost anger me, George telling me how to live. Then I experienced more of this World, the curveballs it throws at us, the kicks in the groin, etc. Then I realized that George wasn't preaching, he was telling us how it is. Adult to adult. Keep partying to BOTR and be carefree, there are needs for that. But when you get the blues and need picking up, don't turn your back on LITMW. It can be a friend, a musical pick-me-up! Neither a partier nor too carefree be. I certainly follow the Bard on that score. If I am blue, listening to LITMW might make me blow my brains out. "...can't escape old age creeping through your body like a rot". That is the single most lugubrious line from any Beatles or former Beatles song. Look, I don't doubt that there is wisdom in some of the lyrics to LITMW: anti drug song Try Some Buy Some (my dear boy you don't actually think you've saved lives?), loyalty of friends, Sue Me Sue You Blues (but George was in there swinging away too), The Lord Loves the One (money doesn't make you immortal-insightful). The Lord helps those that help themselves--is that a dis of the welfare state? But George catered to special interests: The Light that Has Lighted the World (tribute to ConEdison), Don't Let Me Wait Too Long (a song about the DMV)* *Dept. of Motor Vehicles --notoriously slow for those who don't know. Be Here Now (do I have a choice?), The Day the World Gets 'Round (dedicated to the Flat Earth Society) and finally Who Can See It (the NOA--National Optometric Association) There you have it. An interpretation of LITMW by a shallow BOTR lover. LMAO! Thanks for reinforcing my vote for LITMW. George's comedy album cloaked in spiritual lingo is brilliant! |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 29, 2011 17:54:17 GMT -5
The sentiments in Mamunia are to appreciate nature and feeling the rain on your back and natures cycle of growth and death and how that benefits us. It rains for you man. And "the next time you see rain it AIN'T bad". "AIN'T"  Shouldn't that be "It is not bad"? (Oh, that wouldn't have fit)... |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 29, 2011 18:00:32 GMT -5
Those changes tie the other lyrics together. "I thought the only lonely place was on the moon" and Sgt. Major line make sense because he is objecting to their marriage. If she is telling him she is getting married she would be marrying someone else and the subject becomes disengaged from the story. RTP, when will you realize that Paul often times doesn't even know what the hell he's writing about and that his songs often mean nothing? BAND ON THE RUN is a perfect example... here you are trying to make its lyrics out to be some "cry for freedom" thing, when all it is stemmed off of Paul's concept of a pesudo band ... on the run. There is no meaning to this thing, it's just a fun, nonsense song with dopey characters in it. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 29, 2011 18:07:43 GMT -5
I suppose you think Material World, Dark Horse and Extra Texture are his high points. MATERIAL WORLD, definitely. Not the other two... but 33&1/3 was good George. I like OFF THE GROUND and disagree with folks who think it's weak; but I'm with you on PRESS TO PLAY and DRIVING RAIN. But "weak" is a kind word. Would you go so far as to say any of Paul's albums downright SUCK? Because I'd say that of DR, at least. |
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 29, 2011 20:35:39 GMT -5
Heyyyy .. Press To Play is a major piece of work , don't knock it  |
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Post by Snookeroo on Jan 29, 2011 22:18:36 GMT -5
For what it's worth.......
I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well.
I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But.....
I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well known drag.
Thanks for your work Joey. I tried.
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Post by theman on Jan 29, 2011 23:44:32 GMT -5
For what it's worth....... I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well. I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But..... I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well know drag. Thanks for your work Joey. I tried. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 30, 2011 6:45:55 GMT -5
I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well. I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But..... I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well known drag. Sorry, Snookeroo, but you can never tell what is going to happen in discussions. I enjoy Joey's tourneys myself and I'll echo that he puts a lot of effort into presenting them. Kudos to him! However, I think the debating and back and forthing is part of what makes this so interesting, and yes -- sometimes it isn't all going to be rosey. For me, the only "drag" is when people list the title of the song they voted for, with not much else to say along with it. Or who always try to steer clear of voicing their full opinions because of concern about any type of possible altercation. That's just Boring. (I know that's not you, Snookeroo). Variety is the spice of life, and sometimes a good debate - even if sometimes it gets rather empassioned and even a bit snippy off and on, that's sometimes a part of it. |
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Post by joeyself on Jan 30, 2011 9:48:06 GMT -5
For what it's worth....... I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well. I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But..... I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well known drag. Thanks for your work Joey. I tried. Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm probably done with it here after I finish this one. JcS |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 30, 2011 10:10:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm probably done with it here after I finish this one. JcS I hope not, but I guess it's just as well, if we can't speak our minds and it's a problem because it may get a little intense once in a while. Maybe from here on I'll just list the album title. Really riveting. |
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Post by Snookeroo on Jan 30, 2011 12:53:55 GMT -5
I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well. I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But..... I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well known drag. Sorry, Snookeroo, but you can never tell what is going to happen in discussions. I enjoy Joey's tourneys myself and I'll echo that he puts a lot of effort into presenting them. Kudos to him! However, I think the debating and back and forthing is part of what makes this so interesting, and yes -- sometimes it isn't all going to be rosey. For me, the only "drag" is when people list the title of the song they voted for, with not much else to say along with it. Or who always try to steer clear of voicing their full opinions because of concern about any type of possible altercation. That's just Boring. (I know that's not you, Snookeroo). Variety is the spice of life, and sometimes a good debate - even if sometimes it gets rather empassioned and even a bit snippy off and on, that's sometimes a part of it. I think you missed my whole point Joe. The interesting conversation can be great. I know it can because I get into it on other sites. But it's the posters that simply can't get involved without turning it into something else. That kind of crap is the reason people drop out, or just give that "quickie" vote that seems to bug you. And it's not a situation where someone like myself can't "take it". It's just that it's not what I come here looking for. So, keeping it brief or leaving all together becomes the best option. There is no shortage of place to go on the internet to talk Beatles. I consider this site among the top places. It seems a shame for the bullshit to surface as often as it does in these discussions. |
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Post by Snookeroo on Jan 30, 2011 12:56:05 GMT -5
For what it's worth....... I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well. I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But..... I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well known drag. Thanks for your work Joey. I tried. Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm probably done with it here after I finish this one. JcS That's what it comes to - unfortunately. |
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 30, 2011 19:38:07 GMT -5
BOTR -1
I was blown away when I first heard it and completely underwhelmed by George's effort.
On LITMW Give Me Love is brilliant, Sue Me Sue You Blues is funny, a little funky and a little rocky, I like it !!! Don't Let Me Wait Too Long is nice breezy pop by George and LITMW is the original Brainwashed , I like that one too.
The other two songs The Light that Has Lighted the World seem to drag the good songs down for me, they are sung quite depressingly as though George really means and cares about what he's singing, unfortunately I don't with those two songs.
BOTR-1 is brilliant from start to finish, I can't say anything that hasn't already been said.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 4:52:17 GMT -5
I like reading these threads when fellow posters get involved in chest thumping and pissing contests and my vocabulary is broader than yours and my literacy and punctuation skills are better than yours type debates.
let alone creating Freudian messages out of meaningless lyrics....
I find these debates VERY entertaining.....it's much better than picking a song and signing off.....
don't stop for my sake..... ;D
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 31, 2011 5:54:26 GMT -5
BAND ON THE RUN, Side 1
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 31, 2011 6:55:07 GMT -5
I think you missed my whole point Joe. The interesting conversation can be great. I know it can because I get into it on other sites. But it's the posters that simply can't get involved without turning it into something else. That kind of crap is the reason people drop out, or just give that "quickie" vote that seems to bug you. And it's not a situation where someone like myself can't "take it". It's just that it's not what I come here looking for. So, keeping it brief or leaving all together becomes the best option. There is no shortage of place to go on the internet to talk Beatles. I consider this site among the top places. It seems a shame for the bullshit to surface as often as it does in these discussions. There are always those people like yourself on each and every message board of any type, who want everyone to get along, not to have any "bullshit" or "friction" whatsoever - all the time, every moment, as if we're tip-toeing through the tulips together. That sounds very sweet, but I'm sorry ... the world and human beings do not operate like that, and neither do online message boards. And the problem is that not everyone is "looking for" the same things that you are. Everyone's different. I know that sounds like such an obvious statement that needs no stating ... but you'd be surprised! Now, I'm not saying that gives any individual a license to run hog wild and shout all sorts of awful obscenities and things against everyone. If that particular situation arises, the person in question gets reprimanded or banished from the site(s)... so don't worry, the moderators of all these boards are on the job. Please don't leave us, but if you do you should realize that no matter where else you go to "talk Beatles", you will always get these offbeat and "crappy" diversions... be they "Yoko stinks" or "John Versus Paul," or "the Beatles are better than Solo", or "Ringo's not the best drummer and I don't even buy his lousy solo records". I've been to other boards and, frankly, I've stuck with this one because I found it to be the best. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 31, 2011 13:08:50 GMT -5
I think what Snooks and Joey are saying is that vigorous discussion, even debate, over the music itself is okay but not when the argument reaches an impasse as then it just becomes a slugging match between posters about everything but the music(or topic at hand).
At some point into a disagreement, and the quicker the better, the participants should both realize when such impasse has been reached, agree to disagree and move on, both having made their respective points.
Steve and I stay out of dueling matches unless they become vicious and hateful but that doesn't mean that others here enjoy such endless arguing. We've heard from at least two folks in this Thread who don't, including the tourney leader, and from our friend fabfour who says, "Bring it on baby!" as he enjoys the endless fighting in these tourneys! ;D
All Steve and I can suggest is to stay on topic in the debates and also be mindful of our friends who get discouraged at animosity. We can argue but still have fun and when it stops being fun that's when the impasse has been reached and it is time to move on after shaking hands(figuratively speaking).
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2011 13:51:25 GMT -5
John, you summed up my feelings pretty well. I love a vigorous debate and exchange of views. If two people always agree, they don't discuss anything, they just chant. But there is a way to disagree without being disagreeable, and for some here, it seems to be a distinction with escapes their grasp.
Too often, this becomes as frustrating as the old Monty Python Argument Clinic:
I've noticed over the years that there are those who want to argue over matters of taste--whether "Mr. Moonlight" is the worst cover track in the canon, for instance. Once that opinion is expressed, it's out there. On matters of facts--were the Beatles coming to America without a number one record or weren't they?--it's something that can be determined, and resolved.
Comments, discussions, debate--all good for a thread like this. Arguing, bickering and juvenile behavior--not so much.
JcS
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 31, 2011 15:45:27 GMT -5
Too often, this becomes as frustrating as the old Monty Python Argument Clinic No it doesn't. |
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2011 16:01:24 GMT -5
Too often, this becomes as frustrating as the old Monty Python Argument Clinic No it doesn't. And we have our first nomination for POST OF THE YEAR!! ;D JcS |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 31, 2011 16:17:14 GMT -5
For what it's worth....... I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well. I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But..... I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well known drag. Thanks for your work Joey. I tried. Are you referring to me as among "the same few posters trying to tear each other down in a nasty ass pissing match"? I would like an example of an ad-hominem attack by me against anyone on this board. What I have done here is express my opinion about what is obviously a favorite album of many on the board. I don't think I have been nasty nor have I pissed on anyone. I used humor to lighten things up a bit. It had been intimated that someone who would like BOTR is not very deep or thoughtful and I made a joke out of taking lyrics literally. It was to iillustrate a point. Was that offensive to anyone? I wasn't offended by McCabe's grammar references. It was kind of amusing. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 31, 2011 17:06:51 GMT -5
And we have our first nomination for POST OF THE YEAR!! ;D JcS And let us not forget how entertaining the python 'argument' sketch is. So... |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 31, 2011 17:23:07 GMT -5
For what it's worth....... I like these tourneys. They are interesting, and CAN spark some very lively conversations. I do enjoy these kind of tourneys elewhere as well. I only recently started to join in on these here, if for no other reason, then because Joey puts alot of effort into them. But..... I couldn't make it halfway through reading this one before I had to bail out. I really can't stand to see/read the same few posters fall into a nasty-ass pissing match trying to either tear each other down, or one-up each other. These things start out great, but as you read along you can see it coming. It's a drag - a well known drag. Thanks for your work Joey. I tried. Are you referring to me as among "the same few posters trying to tear each other down in a nasty ass pissing match"? I would like an example of an ad-hominem attack by me against anyone on this board. What I have done here is express my opinion about what is obviously a favorite album of many on the board. I don't think I have been nasty nor have I pissed on anyone. I used humor to lighten things up a bit. It had been intimated that someone who would like BOTR is not very deep or thoughtful and I made a joke out of taking lyrics literally. It was to iillustrate a point. Was that offensive to anyone? I wasn't offended by McCabe's grammar references. It was kind of amusing. And let us not forget that this grammar thing started when you, yourself (heh!), commented that "I just believe in me" was poor grammar - erroneously. Brothermichael, Joe Karlosi, acebackwords and myself commented. Here's the thread: abbeyrd.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2467And in this thread I had a go at RTP on some of his grammar, as I felt he was nitpicking some wrong lyrics I gave. So I "picked his nit" back, as he had tried to in the other thread. But I know RTP, and that sort of thing is no big deal. As you imply, RTP, there's no viciousness in this sort of thing. It's a tangent to the main issue of the thread, but some will find it's entertaining and amusing; some won't. That's an internet forum; hey - that's life! McCabe |
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Post by acebackwords on Jan 31, 2011 18:09:44 GMT -5
There are always those people like yourself on each and every message board of any type, who want everyone to get along, not to have any "bullshit" or "friction" whatsoever - all the time, every moment, as if we're tip-toeing through the tulips together. I'm with Joe on this one. I don't like it when people get personal (and I sure hope nobody takes any of my blather personally). But geez if we can't scrap and talk a little sh*t on an iternet message board whats the point of internet message boards? Play nice. But theres nothing like degenerating into ultra niceness to ruin a perfectly nasty thread. |
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Post by scousette on Jan 31, 2011 18:20:26 GMT -5
No chance of degenerating into ultra niceness on this board!
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Post by Jason I on Jan 31, 2011 18:48:34 GMT -5
 "... Peace and love, peace and love" |
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2011 18:48:58 GMT -5
And we have our first nomination for POST OF THE YEAR!! ;D JcS And let us not forget how entertaining the python 'argument' sketch is. So... Because it illustrates absurdity by being absurd. And it's not THAT funny the second or third time you see it... JcS |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 31, 2011 19:53:38 GMT -5
And let us not forget how entertaining the python 'argument' sketch is. So... Because it illustrates absurdity by being absurd. And it's not THAT funny the second or third time you see it... JcS Can we put our finger on what is absurd? Why yes - there are several absurdities going on in the skech. One is the dismissive arrogance of Cleese in the sketch. That's always good for a laugh. McCabe |
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Post by brothermichael on Jan 31, 2011 20:58:54 GMT -5
Because it illustrates absurdity by being absurd. And it's not THAT funny the second or third time you see it... JcS Can we put our finger on what is absurd? Why yes - there are several absurdities going on in the skech. One is the dismissive arrogance of Cleese in the sketch. That's always good for a laugh. McCabe ;D |
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Shouldn't that be "It is not bad"? (Oh, that wouldn't have fit)...
