Match 16, Solo LP Tourney, Rnd 2, LMW 1 vs. BOTR 1

[joeyself]

LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 1 vs. BAND ON THE RUN, Side 1

LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 1

"Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth)" – 3:36
"Sue Me, Sue You Blues" – 4:48
"The Light That Has Lighted the World" – 3:31
"Don't Let Me Wait Too Long" – 2:57
"Who Can See It" – 3:52
"Living in the Material World" – 5:31




BAND ON THE RUN, Side 1

1. "Band on the Run" 5:10
2. "Jet" 4:06
3. "Bluebird" 3:22
4. "Mrs Vandebilt" 4:38
5. "Let Me Roll It" 4:47

Paul seeks revenge here, as LITMW 1 beat MCCARTNEY, Side 2 by a score of 10-6. BOTR 1 took out DOUBLE FANTASY 1 by a 19-2 count.

This is the last of the second round matches. This round will conclude no earlier than 8:00 PM CST, January 31, 2011, so if you've been holding back in some of the other matches, now's the time to decide and vote.

JcS

[Joe Karlosi]

BAND ON THE RUN.

This is not a problem round for me. I like both sides here, but Paul's is a tad better.

[John S. Damm]

This is a great match-up that should result in much tough decision-making and good discussion.

Twenty years ago I would have thought this easy and voted BOTR-1 without a second thought. Not so fast today! My opinion of BOTR has fallen as I dedicated years to working on The JSD Postulate and coming to realize where Paul really shone in his career!

Conversely, LITMW has grown considerably with me to the point where it has become one of my favorite solo albums. It was once one of my least favorites because young people cannot possibly relate to it. I am no longer young and carefree. Yet, I cannot simply write-off BOTR-1 because of the title song alone, a true Macca classic.

[mikev]

Gotta go to the points… and a rare diatribe.

LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 1

"Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth)" – 10
"Sue Me, Sue You Blues" – 9
"The Light That Has Lighted the World" – meh 6.5
"Don't Let Me Wait Too Long" – more upbeat 7.5
"Who Can See It" – ballad 7.5
"Living in the Material World" – 9


BAND ON THE RUN, Side 1

1. "Band on the Run" 10
2. "Jet" 4:06 10 personally not a favorite- but it is an arena rock watershed for Paul.
3. "Bluebird" 9.5 not at all like Blackbird.
4. "Mrs Vandebilt" 9 classic McCartney
5. "Let Me Roll It" 9.5

Wow- less of a contest than I thought.

When I vote- I merge my favorite songs with the artistic and rock values of the song, for example- even though I’m not a huge personal fan of Jet- it has all the workings of a great rock tune- hooks, riffs, presence.


If Paul had reunited the Beatles during this period, it would have been difficult for John and George to insert equal period relevant rock. I mean it from the perspective of a teenager growing up in the mid seventies and remembering what was cool and what wasn’t.

John was still cool to the first generation people, but Paul was more exposed to us 2nd generation teens.

John followed up POB and Imagine with a political album, a pop album and the Rock and Roll album that appealed to his generation- not ours. George was doing religion rock and Ringo was doing AM top 40. It wasn’t until Walls and Bridges that many of us embraced Lennon and then poof- he retires.

Since there is a large group of us 45-50 somethings here, I would be interested if you agree.

[coachbk]

I like LITMW, but this is no contest. BOTR is way too strong.

[JCV]

BAND ON THE RUN, Side 1

Sorry, George.

Paul rocks!

JCV

[acebackwords]

Gotta go with Paul though its a tough choice.

[diego]

Have to go with BOTR which is not only great but also I've never been a huge fan of LMW, though I have to say that evaluating it as "sides", side 1 is not bad, guess my problems with LMW are with side 2.

[stavros]

Band on the Run BANG!! out goes LITMW.

[ReturnToPepperland]

I was vey disappointed when LITMW came out in late spring/early summer 1973 as the follow up to ATMP. The production/mix was muddy and muddled. The songs were not nearly as good as the previous album. Why didn't George hold over some of his compelling songs from ATMP and put them on this album? It would have made a huge difference. What if Art of Dying and Let It Down and even Hear Me Lord had been on this album? What a difference that would have made and ATMP wouldn't have missed them. In fact it would have been more focused.

I'm sorry, but it seems like George shot his wad with ATMP and didn't recover until later in the decade with the George Harrison album. 33 1/3 was spotty though it did have two fine songs: Beautiful Girl and Crackerbox Palace. GH album was more consistent.

Unlike JSD, I don't think time has been very kind to this album. I do like it a bit better today than when it first came out, but that's not saying much. BOTR rules.

Living in the Material World is lethargic rock at its worst. George couldn't get that group of nameless faceless nobodies backing him up to rock if their life depended on it. Lumbering in the Material World is more appropriate.

It was a different song but the lyrics you "don't escape old age creeping through your body like a rot." were disconcerting. As a 13 year old I was grossed out by some of these lyrics. Sue Me Sue You Blues should have stayed in the vaults. The Light... and Who Can See It are deathly dull. When George makes an attempt at an upbeat song Don't Let Me Wait its a lame exercise. Only Give Me Love which is great is really worth of him at least on side 1.

[Deleted]

LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 1

I think this George album is better than the current whitewash trending score is telling us.

Macca's album has a few more commercially viable tunes on it,but the main thing counting against George here is competing against the McCartney solo summit..

[Joseph McCabe]

Isn't taste a wonderful thing? Anybody can prefer any one thing over another, and can justify it any way they want. I wouldn't have it any other way in matters such as music, food, clothes.

Now, on this matter of Band 1? What can we say about it? The song BOTR itself is quite nice. A better Macca tune. It feels "dated" these days, but way back then, yes, it was OK. Next Jet. The lyrics let this tune down (as so often with Macca). Check this lot:

I can almost remember
The funny faces
That time you told me
That you were going to be marrying soon

Jet, was your father as bold
As a Sergeant Major?
Oh, how come he told you
That you hardly old enough yet?

And Jet, I thought the Major
Was a Lady Suffragette

People say the song is about Jet, a Macca family puppy. Er ... this song is as much about a dog as Martha My Dear was. But I couldn't tell you what it IS about ... what a dog of a lyric ( ;D).

And same with Mrs Vandebilt: goofey-lyricsland. Here's a sample:

When your light is on the blink
You never think of worrying
What's the use of worrying?
When your bus has left the stop
You'd better drop your hurrying
What's the use of hurrying?
Leave me alone mrs vandebilt
I've got plenty of time of my own
What's the use of worrying?
What's the use of hurrying?
What's the use of anything?

Oh dear. Nothing to say, but I've got a good little tune and I have to have lyrics ...

Bluebird? I had a girlfriend who called it a late-night, last thing song. Maybe.

Let Me Roll It ... interesting analogy operating here: the singer's heart is like a wheel, so he wants to be allowed to roll it to someone. The song has musical power, true: but once agin the lyrics ... are a little forced.

But having said all that, the side is easy on the ears. And lyrically very undemanding. Typical Macca.

Now, what about Material World1? The album (and thus this side) contains some excellent tunes, and the playing is excellent. The musical ideas are varied, and fit together well. Do Hari's lyrics outmatch Macca's?

Of course! Hari's lyrics have a strong intellectual appeal, as they challenge and provoke. It's interesting that I think the song with the weakest lyrics was the hit! No wonder George wearied at times of the dictatorial market.

Material World is certainly an adult record. George's star started to fade strongly with this release as teenagers were puzzled by its religious feel, its exhortations, and its seriousness. Some may not have even realized what Material World, the song, was about!

Essentially George's most autobiographical album, it ought to stand high in the solo canon. That it doesn't suggests more about what many fans want from their music, than it does about George Harrison and his music.

A fine, thoughtful, mature album, this side will therefore get my vote over its lyrically empty competitor.

McCabe

[vectisfabber]

BOTR

McCabe makes good points, but still...

[ReturnToPepperland]

Jan 28, 2011 18:10:26 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

Isn't taste a wonderful thing? Anybody can prefer any one thing over another, and can justify it any way they want. I wouldn't have it any other way in matters such as music, food, clothes.

Now, on this matter of Band 1? What can we say about it? The song BOTR itself is quite nice. A better Macca tune. It feels "dated" these days, but way back then, yes, it was OK. Next Jet. The lyrics let this tune down (as so often with Macca). Check this lot:

I can almost remember
The funny faces
That time you told me
That you were going to be marrying soon

Jet, was your father as bold
As a Sergeant Major?
Oh, how come he told you
That you hardly old enough yet?

And Jet, I thought the Major
Was a Lady Suffragette

People say the song is about Jet, a Macca family puppy. Er ... this song is as much about a dog as Martha My Dear was. But I couldn't tell you what it IS about ... what a dog of a lyric ( ;D).

And same with Mrs Vandebilt: goofey-lyricsland. Here's a sample:

When your light is on the blink
You never think of worrying
What's the use of worrying?
When your bus has left the stop
You'd better drop your hurrying
What's the use of hurrying?
Leave me alone mrs vandebilt
I've got plenty of time of my own
What's the use of worrying?
What's the use of hurrying?
What's the use of anything?

Oh dear. Nothing to say, but I've got a good little tune and I have to have lyrics ...

Bluebird? I had a girlfriend who called it a late-night, last thing song. Maybe.

Let Me Roll It ... interesting analogy operating here: the singer's heart is like a wheel, so he wants to be allowed to roll it to someone. The song has musical power, true: but once agin the lyrics ... are a little forced.

But having said all that, the side is easy on the ears. And lyrically very undemanding. Typical Macca.

Now, what about Material World1? The album (and thus this side) contains some excellent tunes, and the playing is excellent. The musical ideas are varied, and fit together well. Do Hari's lyrics outmatch Macca's?

Of course! Hari's lyrics have a strong intellectual appeal, as they challenge and provoke. It's interesting that I think the song with the weakest lyrics was the hit! No wonder George wearied at times of the dictatorial market.

Material World is certainly an adult record. George's star started to fade strongly with this release as teenagers were puzzled by its religious feel, its exhortations, and its seriousness. Some may not have even realized what Material World, the song, was about!

Essentially George's most autobiographical album, it ought to stand high in the solo canon. That it doesn't suggests more about what many fans want from their music, than it does about George Harrison and his music.

A fine, thoughtful, mature album, this side will therefore get my vote over its lyrically empty competitor.

McCabe

You get no message from Mrs. Vandebilt? Come on. You're not trying at all.

And as to Jet, you have some key words wrong.

I can almost remember
The Their funny faces
That time you told me them
That you were going to be marrying soon

Its the family's reaction to being told she was going to marry the narrator.

Jet, was your father as bold
As a Sergeant Major?
Oh, how come he told you
That you hardly old enough yet?

Her father reacted by saying she wasn't old enough. Its not autobiographical obviously but its not a series of words strung together with no relationship either.

[John S. Damm]

LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, Side 1

Find and play the remastered version of LITMW that came out a few years ago. This Side of music sounds vital and fresh in 2011 with lots of acoustic guitars, tasty slide guitar licks and pianos.

BOTR sounds very dated with those laboratory synths and I think its production is muddied and garbled, particularly on "Jet" and "Mrs. Vandebilt." Geoff Emerick was too busy spilling food all over himself.

The song "Living in the Material World" is one of the greatest unheralded solo Beatle songs out there. It gets no respect despite being amazing. "Don't Let Me Wait Too Long" is the great single that never was.

"The Light That Has Lighted the World" and "Who Can See It" are somber, world-weary ballads that ultimately inspire the listener(assuming the listener is over 30 years of age). "Sue Me, Sue You Blues" is clever and rocks. "Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth)" is George's pure monster solo hit, unspoiled by lawsuits like "My Sweet Lord."

The song BOTR is classic(except for the synths) so well done, Paul! Everything else here sounds too calculating to me, Paul trying to be Robo-Paul again of Abbey Road infamy. "Bluebird" helps me go to sleep without the use of dangerous pills. "Mrs Vandebilt" is second-string. "Let Me Roll It" is okay but the lyrics are so wimpy. I dislike the "Ah mater" parts of "Jet," a song that sounds dramatic but doesn't mean a damn thing.

If one wants to seek enlightenment, either spiritual or intellectual, go for LITMW-1. If one wants to kill brain cells with silly lyrics, pick BOTR-1. Paul so outdid BOTR with Ram and even Wings Wild Life.

[coachbk]

I agree with RTP that McCabe isn't trying with "Mrs. Vanderbilt" and the lyrics. It is such an upbeat, carefree and confident tune and the lyrics echo that message ("What's the use of Worrying?" "No use").
In fact, I would say lyrically "Mrs. Vanderbilt" fits nicely with the JSD postulate!

[Joe Karlosi]

Jan 28, 2011 16:32:10 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

I'm sorry, but it seems like George shot his wad with ATMP and didn't recover until later in the decade with the George Harrison album. 33 1/3 was spotty though it did have two fine songs: Beautiful Girl and Crackerbox Palace. GH album was more consistent.

Unlike JSD, I don't think time hasn't been very kind to this album. I do like it a bit better today than when it first came out, but that's not saying much. BOTR rules.

Living in the Material World is lethargic rock at its worst. George couldn't get that group of nameless faceless nobodies backing him up to rock if their life depended on it. Lumbering in the Material World is more appropriate.

What a load of rubbish you've just written. You couldn't be that objective about Paul's music if your life depended on it. You don't think BAND ON THE RUN is dated? Then you're in La La Land. I think it's hilarious for you to analyze what was so "wrong" with George's LPs up to the GEORGE HARRISON album where you think Paul was on track with every musical thing he did, and every bead of sweat that ever oozed out of his pores.

[Joe Karlosi]

Jan 29, 2011 1:34:47 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

And as to Jet, you have some key words wrong.

I can almost remember
The Their funny faces
That time you told me them
That you were going to be marrying soon

Oh yeah. Some really important and crucial "key" words there. Why, the song makes so much more sense now!

[ReturnToPepperland]

Jan 29, 2011 13:30:36 GMT -5 Joe Karlosi said:

Jan 28, 2011 16:32:10 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

I'm sorry, but it seems like George shot his wad with ATMP and didn't recover until later in the decade with the George Harrison album. 33 1/3 was spotty though it did have two fine songs: Beautiful Girl and Crackerbox Palace. GH album was more consistent.

Unlike JSD, I don't think time hasn't been very kind to this album. I do like it a bit better today than when it first came out, but that's not saying much. BOTR rules.

Living in the Material World is lethargic rock at its worst. George couldn't get that group of nameless faceless nobodies backing him up to rock if their life depended on it. Lumbering in the Material World is more appropriate.

What a load of rubbish you've just written. You couldn't be that objective about Paul's music if your life depended on it. You don't think BAND ON THE RUN is dated? Then you're in La La Land. I think it's hilarious for you to analyze what was so "wrong" with George's LPs up to the GEORGE HARRISON album where you think Paul was on track with every musical thing he did, and every bead of sweat that ever oozed out of his pores.

I suppose you think Material World, Dark Horse and Extra Texture are his high points. Paul has had some weak albums: Off the Ground, Press To Play and Driving Rain come to mind. Because I don't include albums I enjoy like Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway I am not objective? Not true.

[ReturnToPepperland]

Jan 29, 2011 9:27:46 GMT -5 coachbk said:

I agree with RTP that McCabe isn't trying with "Mrs. Vanderbilt" and the lyrics. It is such an upbeat, carefree and confident tune and the lyrics echo that message ("What's the use of Worrying?" "No use").
In fact, I would say lyrically "Mrs. Vanderbilt" fits nicely with the JSD postulate!

Not only that but Mrs. Vandebilt (Gloria Vandebilt? Anderson Cooper's mom) is a symbol for chasing wealth and material goods. Paul is saying don't let living in the material world make you stray from your core beliefs and principles. Its probably something he struggled with.

And what about Mamunia. Great message for you green freaks. I don't buy that BOTR is void of any lyrical content. You guys just aren't trying to see it.

Picasso about the death of an icon. Bluebird about a dream of perfect freedom of living in a paradise setting with the one you love living without material worries (we're living in the trees and flying in the breeze).

The lyrics to the song Band on the Run are brilliant and again talk about man's quest for freedom and those who want to thwart it.

George clobbers you over the head with preachy stuff. He has very little subtlety. As religious as I am it leaves me a bit cold. Especially when I think of his anti-catholic statements and unprinted lyrics for Awaiting on You All. (The pope owns 51% of General Motors and the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us). To talk about a man of God that way. And he didn't have the guts to print the lyrics.

I do need to hear this album again remixed because it is one of the most poorly engineered albums of any former Beatle other than Walls and Bridges perhaps. Maybe more clarity will bring some life to the dirges.

[ReturnToPepperland]

Jan 29, 2011 13:32:21 GMT -5 Joe Karlosi said:

Jan 29, 2011 1:34:47 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

And as to Jet, you have some key words wrong.

I can almost remember
The Their funny faces
That time you told me them
That you were going to be marrying soon

Oh yeah. Some really important and crucial "key" words there. Why, the song makes so much more sense now!

Those changes tie the other lyrics together. "I thought the only lonely place was on the moon" and Sgt. Major line make sense because he is objecting to their marriage.

If she is telling him she is getting married she would be marrying someone else and the subject becomes disengaged from the story.

[Joseph McCabe]

Jan 29, 2011 1:34:47 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

You get no message from Mrs. Vandebilt? Come on. You're not trying at all.

And as to Jet, you have some key words wrong.

I can almost remember
The Their funny faces
That time you told me them
That you were going to be marrying soon

Its the family's reaction to being told she was going to marry the narrator.

Jet, was your father as bold
As a Sergeant Major?
Oh, how come he told you
That you hardly old enough yet?

Her father reacted by saying she wasn't old enough. Its not autobiographical obviously but its not a series of words strung together with no relationship either.

Yeah, I got some words wrong ... but honestly, you do draw some ridiculously long bows if you think correcting the errors suddenly crystallizes the meaning.

McCabe

[John S. Damm]

Jan 29, 2011 9:27:46 GMT -5 coachbk said:

I agree with RTP that McCabe isn't trying with "Mrs. Vanderbilt" and the lyrics. It is such an upbeat, carefree and confident tune and the lyrics echo that message ("What's the use of Worrying?" "No use").
In fact, I would say lyrically "Mrs. Vanderbilt" fits nicely with the JSD postulate!

It is an honor, Sir, to have my own The JSD Postulate used to knock my opinions and I(is that right, or is it "me"?) on the ground. ;D

Hey, BOTR lovers, I was in your shoes years ago when, like you now, I was young and carefree. I would play LITMW and it would almost anger me, George telling me how to live.

Then I experienced more of this World, the curveballs it throws at us, the kicks in the groin, etc. Then I realized that George wasn't preaching, he was telling us how it is. Adult to adult.

Keep partying to BOTR and be carefree, there are needs for that. But when you get the blues and need picking up, don't turn your back on LITMW. It can be a friend, a musical pick-me-up!

[Joseph McCabe]

Jan 29, 2011 13:59:31 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

Not only that but Mrs. Vandebilt (Gloria Vandebilt? Anderson Cooper's mom) is a symbol for chasing wealth and material goods. Paul is saying don't let living in the material world make you stray from your core beliefs and principles. Its probably something he struggled with.

Eh?

And I love the utterly cheap, low class shot at George - I've underlined it for you.

And what about Mamunia. Great message for you green freaks. I don't buy that BOTR is void of any lyrical content. You guys just aren't trying to see it.

Eh? Green freaks? Don't you agree with the obvious "message" in this song? Are you sneering at a Paulie Principle?

Picasso about the death of an icon. Bluebird about a dream of perfect freedom of living in a paradise setting with the one you love living without material worries (we're living in the trees and flying in the breeze).

The lyrics to the song Band on the Run are brilliant and again talk about man's quest for freedom and those who want to thwart it.

Picasso is really about Macca showing off to Dustin Hoffman by trying to knock out a masterpiece on call, at the drop of a hat. Interestingly, it's a failure and interminable - ho hey ho!

Bluebird? Bluebore more like it.

BOTR? Man's quest for freedom? Those who want to thwart it? You mean the jailer man? Sailor Sam? Deep, deep.

RTP - you are silly.

McCabe

[ReturnToPepperland]

Jan 29, 2011 14:40:49 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

Jan 29, 2011 13:59:31 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

Not only that but Mrs. Vandebilt (Gloria Vandebilt? Anderson Cooper's mom) is a symbol for chasing wealth and material goods. Paul is saying don't let living in the material world make you stray from your core beliefs and principles. Its probably something he struggled with.

Eh?

And I love the utterly cheap, low class shot at George - I've underlined it for you.



Eh? Green freaks? Don't you agree with the obvious "message" in this song? Are you sneering at a Paulie Principle?

Picasso about the death of an icon. Bluebird about a dream of perfect freedom of living in a paradise setting with the one you love living without material worries (we're living in the trees and flying in the breeze).

The lyrics to the song Band on the Run are brilliant and again talk about man's quest for freedom and those who want to thwart it.

Picasso is really about Macca showing off to Dustin Hoffman by trying to knock out a masterpiece on call, at the drop of a hat. Interestingly, it's a failure and interminable - ho hey ho!

Bluebird? Bluebore more like it.

BOTR? Man's quest for freedom? Those who want to thwart it? You mean the jailer man? Sailor Sam? Deep, deep.

RTP - you are silly.

McCabe

Even prison inmates long for freedom. Its a metphore. Even Paul said himself its meaning wasn't confined to those who are confined.

You don't get the connection with wealth of the Vandebilt reference? He even mentions wealth in the lyrics (when your pile is on the wane...). Now you have something more to say about this than "eh?" don't you? Talk about silly.

I think most people will disagree with you about the merits of the Picasso song. Horses for courses as they say.

As for the green freak line, no I don't believe we should use the carbon credit system to distribute billions of dollars to countries that don't give a damn about pollution in the first place. Yes I believe we should do our best to keep our air and water clean. No I don't see any evidence that man has the power to influence the world's temperature either up or down.

The sentiments in Mamunia are to appreciate nature and feeling the rain on your back and natures cycle of growth and death and how that benefits us. It rains for you man.

[Joseph McCabe]

You rave, son.

What I'm about to do is an utter cheap shot, but since you feel free to waggle the grammar and word finger yourself, I thought I'd keep an eye out for your own errors - I know you'll be pleased to have the mistakes pointed out.

Even prison inmates long for freedom. Its a metphore.

(1) "Even" is totally the wrong word here; those in prison are the ones who would long for freedom especially, one presumes. No "even" about it. But that's a subtle error, and I won't press it.

(2) Ah, an "its/it's" error. Learn this for homework, son: "its" is the possessive pronoun; "it's" is short for "it is".

(3) Spelling now: "metaphor" is the spelling you want. Watch that now.

McCabe

Edited to fix a poorly constructed phrase. You could take a leaf out of my book there, RTP!

[Joseph McCabe]

And I want you to know I've let you off lightly, son.

McCabe

[ReturnToPepperland]

Jan 29, 2011 14:35:01 GMT -5 John S. Damm said:

Jan 29, 2011 9:27:46 GMT -5 coachbk said:

I agree with RTP that McCabe isn't trying with "Mrs. Vanderbilt" and the lyrics. It is such an upbeat, carefree and confident tune and the lyrics echo that message ("What's the use of Worrying?" "No use").
In fact, I would say lyrically "Mrs. Vanderbilt" fits nicely with the JSD postulate!

It is an honor, Sir, to have my own The JSD Postulate used to knock my opinions and I(is that right, or is it "me"?) on the ground. ;D

Hey, BOTR lovers, I was in your shoes years ago when, like you now, I was young and carefree. I would play LITMW and it would almost anger me, George telling me how to live.

Then I experienced more of this World, the curveballs it throws at us, the kicks in the groin, etc. Then I realized that George wasn't preaching, he was telling us how it is. Adult to adult.

Keep partying to BOTR and be carefree, there are needs for that. But when you get the blues and need picking up, don't turn your back on LITMW. It can be a friend, a musical pick-me-up!

Neither a partier nor too carefree be. I certainly follow the Bard on that score. If I am blue, listening to LITMW might make me blow my brains out. "...can't escape old age creeping through your body like a rot". That is the single most lugubrious line from any Beatles or former Beatles song.

Look, I don't doubt that there is wisdom in some of the lyrics to LITMW: anti drug song Try Some Buy Some (my dear boy you don't actually think you've saved lives?), loyalty of friends, Sue Me Sue You Blues (but George was in there swinging away too), The Lord Loves the One (money doesn't make you immortal-insightful). The Lord helps those that help themselves--is that a dis of the welfare state?

But George catered to special interests:
The Light that Has Lighted the World (tribute to ConEdison), Don't Let Me Wait Too Long (a song about the DMV)*

*Dept. of Motor Vehicles --notoriously slow for those who don't know.

Be Here Now (do I have a choice?), The Day the World Gets 'Round (dedicated to the Flat Earth Society) and finally Who Can See It (the NOA--National Optometric Association).

There you have it. An interpretation of LITMW by a shallow BOTR lover. ;D

[ReturnToPepperland]

Jan 29, 2011 15:11:22 GMT -5 Joseph McCabe said:

You rave, son.

What I'm about to do is an utter cheap shot, but since you feel free to waggle the grammar and word finger yourself, I thought I'd keep an eye out for your own errors - I know you'll be pleased to have the mistakes pointed out.

Even prison inmates long for freedom. Its a metphore.

(1) "Even" is totally the wrong word here; those in prison are the ones who would long for freedom especially, one presumes. No "even" about it. But that's a subtle error, and I won't press it.

(2) Ah, an "its/it's" error. Learn this for homework, son: "its" is the possessive pronoun; "it's" is short for "it is".

(3) Spelling now: "metaphor" is the spelling you want. Watch that now.

McCabe

Edited to fix a poorly constructed phrase. You could take a leaf out of my book there, RTP!

I was typing quickly. And I don't always bother about punctuation in a setting like this. I will be more careful in the future, sir.

The reason I said "even" was because you sneered at the idea of the jailer man, the sheriff (the law) as a obstacle to freedom. It is about both physical and spiritual freedom.

Yes I appreciate these errors being called out. I'll play however you want, or I won't play at all. Whatever it takes to please you I'll do it. Really I could say you're on to form over substance, but I shouldn't go there. Oops I just did.

[Joseph McCabe]

Jan 29, 2011 15:23:22 GMT -5 ReturnToPepperland said:

Neither a partier nor too carefree be. I certainly follow the Bard on that score. If I am blue, listening to LITMW might make me blow my brains out. "...can't escape old age creeping through your body like a rot". That is the single most lugubrious line from any Beatles or former Beatles song.

Look, I don't doubt that there is wisdom in some of the lyrics to LITMW: anti drug song Try Some Buy Some (my dear boy you don't actually think you've saved lives?), loyalty of friends, Sue Me Sue You Blues (but George was in there swinging away too), The Lord Loves the One (money doesn't make you immortal-insightful). The Lord helps those that help themselves--is that a dis of the welfare state?

But George catered to special interests:
The Light that Has Lighted the World (tribute to ConEdison), Don't Let Me Wait Too Long (a song about the DMV)*

*Dept. of Motor Vehicles --notoriously show--for those aren't from here.

Be Here Now (do I have a choice?), The Day the World Gets 'Round (dedicated to the Flat Earth Society) and finally Who Can See It (the NOA--National Optometric Association)

There you have it. An interpretation of LITMW by a shallow BOTR lover.

An interpretation of LITMW by a shallow BOTR lover? You're certainly right there.

McCabe