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Post by joeyself on Aug 9, 2010 22:25:12 GMT -5
SGT. PEPPER, Side 1
"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" 2:00 "With a Little Help from My Friends" 2:43 "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" 3:26 "Getting Better" 2:47 "Fixing a Hole" 2:35 "She's Leaving Home" 3:33 "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!" 2:35
THE BEATLES, Side 1
"Back in the U.S.S.R." 2:43 "Dear Prudence" 3:56 "Glass Onion" 2:17 "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" 3:08 "Wild Honey Pie" 1:01 "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" 3:05 "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" 4:45 "Happiness Is a Warm Gun" 2:43
SP 1 took out the third side of TB by 15-3, and now faces side 1, which eliminated AR 1 by a 14-5 count.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Aug 10, 2010 1:02:56 GMT -5
Isn't it so often the way that there is one track, on a given album side, that is out of place ... that is a real clunker? On the White Album, side 1, it is Bungalow Bill. I'm embarrassed that Lennon found it worthy of recording. And what about the others - "Hey John, it's a bit obvious isn't it? Unsubtle, and unworthy man. I thought the chemicals were supposed to give you insight!" But it's there, forever - the one blot on White Album, side 1. (By the way, I like Wild Honey Pie: I think a lot of Beatle fans go with the flow of whatever is "current" wisdom in what is "liked" or "disliked". Me? I think it's a very nice bit of filler - in which the White Album abounds, just quietly; the fillers help the flow. It's like a light sorbet between courses at a big meal: it cleanses the palate.) Does Pepper side 1 have a "clunker"? Ah! It doesn't. No song here is an outright loser. Of course, no song (except maybe Lucy) rises to any great heights either. The arrangement of Pepper songs is what grabs you, rather than inherent song quality. How to decide between the sides? Is there an OUTSTANDING song on these two sides that will tip the scales? Yes: there are THREE! Prudence, Guitar Gently Weeps, and Warm Gun, all on the White Album. Absolute raging classics, each in a different way. Even Pepper's good ones on side 1 don't come close to these giants. So the White Album, side 1, gets the nod. I knew it right from the start.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Aug 10, 2010 1:04:20 GMT -5
Up in the polling area, it has (as I write) Side 2 for The Beatles. But I knew it was side 1 from the first post in the thread, and the thread title.
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Post by wooltonian on Aug 10, 2010 3:00:06 GMT -5
(By the way, I like Wild Honey Pie: I think a lot of Beatle fans go with the flow of whatever is "current" wisdom in what is "liked" or "disliked". Me? I think it's a very nice bit of filler - in which the White Album abounds, just quietly; the fillers help the flow. It's like a light sorbet between courses at a big meal: it cleanses the palate.) Totally agree. I've said it many times on here that regrettably many of the tracks on the White Album have faded in my estimation over the years to the extent that I now feel quite ambivalent about the album as a whole. During this time, however, one or two tracks have gone the other way, and 'Wild honey pie' is one of them. I always saw this track as a rather creepy, bizarre-sounding waste of space, but these days I really like its off-the-wall quirkiness. It also fits the ethos and mood of the White Album perfectly, and at 43 seconds, it doesn't over-stay its welcome. Sorbet...a perfect description.
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Post by wooltonian on Aug 10, 2010 3:01:11 GMT -5
SP-1, by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 5:38:21 GMT -5
SGT. PEPPER, Side 1
Bit of a line ball really comparing these 2 sides but i've gone for Pepper for the benefit of Mr Kite.....
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Post by joeyself on Aug 10, 2010 7:03:14 GMT -5
Up in the polling area, it has (as I write) Side 2 for The Beatles. But I knew it was side 1 from the first post in the thread, and the thread title. Ahhhh, good catch. I can't fix that, but maybe JSD or Steve can. JcS
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Post by nine on Aug 10, 2010 7:04:36 GMT -5
(By the way, I like Wild Honey Pie: I think a lot of Beatle fans go with the flow of whatever is "current" wisdom in what is "liked" or "disliked". Me? I think it's a very nice bit of filler - in which the White Album abounds, just quietly; the fillers help the flow. It's like a light sorbet between courses at a big meal: it cleanses the palate.) Totally agree. I've said it many times on here that regrettably many of the tracks on the White Album have faded in my estimation over the years to the extent that I now feel quite ambivalent about the album as a whole. During this time, however, one or two tracks have gone the other way, and 'Wild honey pie' is one of them. I always saw this track as a rather creepy, bizarre-sounding waste of space, but these days I really like its off-the-wall quirkiness. It also fits the ethos and mood of the White Album perfectly, and at 43 seconds, it doesn't over-stay its welcome. Sorbet...a perfect description. 1. If the White Album had of been produced in the Abbey Road style we might think differently. 2. If we had of heard/seen The Beatles play these songs live (with a few exceptions) we might have had different opinions. I'm So Tired. I'd loved to have heard John do this... he could have done it alongside I'm Only Sleeping and Watching The Wheels.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 10, 2010 8:24:16 GMT -5
Up in the polling area, it has (as I write) Side 2 for The Beatles. But I knew it was side 1 from the first post in the thread, and the thread title. Ahhhh, good catch. I can't fix that, but maybe JSD or Steve can. JcS I will try as that could throw off a casual voter who doesn't read the rest of the Thread! This Round is a clash of Titans for me!
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 10, 2010 8:26:04 GMT -5
Ahhhh, good catch. I can't fix that, but maybe JSD or Steve can. JcS I will try as that could throw off a casual voter who doesn't read the rest of the Thread! This Round is a clash of Titans for me! Joey, I could not. Your first post here says I modified it but I didn't. I opened it hoping I could get to the Poll through it but I could not.
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Post by coachbk on Aug 10, 2010 9:10:27 GMT -5
Both sides start off very strong SP with the immediate catchiness of Paul's title track flowing seamlessly into Ringo's signature tune, followed by John's haunting LITSWD. Likewise TB1 starts with what I consider the entire LP's two best songs, the rocking "Back To USSR" and the beautiful "Dear Prudence". "Glass Onion" doesn't measure up to those so let's put WMGGW in there to call it a draw for those three songs. Looking at the final songs I prefer "Mr. Kite", but I recognize the brilliance of HIAWG so I'll call that a draw too. So what of the rest? We have "Getting Better", "Fixing A Hole" and "She's Leaving Home" vs "Obladi Oblada", "Glass Onion", "Wild Honey Pie", and "Bungalow Bill". Pretty even there too. So again I go with Pepper because of the impact the album had and the way in flows as a whole.
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Post by wooltonian on Aug 10, 2010 9:12:24 GMT -5
1. If the White Album had of been produced in the Abbey Road style we might think differently.
2. If we had of heard/seen The Beatles play these songs live (with a few exceptions) we might have had different opinions. I'm So Tired. I'd loved to have heard John do this... he could have done it alongside I'm Only Sleeping and Watching The Wheels. Interesting... 1. I sort of half agree with this. In many places I actually wish that the White album's production had been considerably sparser and with far fewer unecessary overdubs. I think for much of the album they sort of got caught in two minds between a much simpler, stripped down approach (a reaction to 'Pepper') whilst, out of sheer habit, falling back on familiar production embellishments. 'Revolution 1' is an obvious example of this...simple song, too many backing vocals, unnecessary brass etc. However, I do agree that in many cases the songs were fine, but the recordings didn't do them justice. 2. Agree. Much of the White Album really lends itself to being played live. It's a terrible shame that the demise of the Beatles left us with very few live recordings from this album ('Yer blues' being one of the few exceptions - Rolling Stones R&R Circus - which is great.)
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Post by JCV on Aug 10, 2010 12:35:52 GMT -5
SGT. PEPPER, Side 1This was pretty hard for me to choose, but as someone above said, there really are no clunkers on SP1. JCV
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Post by coachbk on Aug 10, 2010 12:49:33 GMT -5
[quote author=wooltonian board 2. If we had of heard/seen The Beatles play these songs live (with a few exceptions) we might have had different opinions.
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2. Agree. Much of the White Album really lends itself to being played live. It's a terrible shame that the demise of the Beatles left us with very few live recordings from this album ('Yer blues' being one of the few exceptions - Rolling Stones R&R Circus - which is great.)
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When I saw Paul live last summer "Back To USSR" was one of the most impressive performances of the night. That song is just killer live. Even the cover bands I've heard live do a fantastic job with it. "Helter Skelter" was also superb. "Yer Blues" has already been mentioned. "Birthday" and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" have also had excellent live performances. Paul has handled gentler songs like "Blackbird" and "Mother Nature's Son" quite well.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 10, 2010 13:44:35 GMT -5
Instead of the "Get Back" sessions in January 1969, I always wish The Beatles would have done a live show for broadcast of just songs from the White Album. No new songs to write and learn and the album was still going strong on the charts so the show would have increased sales.
Of course, the Stones had done Rock And Roll Circus in December 1968(not publicly shown for decades)and Elvis had done his big "comeback" show but there must have been a way for our guys to show off live these fantastic new songs off the White Album.
That'd been one hell of a rocking great perormance.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 10, 2010 20:45:07 GMT -5
THE BEATLES, Side 1
Two weekends ago I saw tribute band, American English, do a note perfect version of "Dear Prudence." That is a brilliant song with much more guitar work going on than meets the eye.
John is back on TB-1. It gets my vote.
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Post by nine on Aug 10, 2010 20:50:01 GMT -5
Instead of the "Get Back" sessions in January 1969, I always wish The Beatles would have done a live show for broadcast of just songs from the White Album. No new songs to write and learn and the album was still going strong on the charts so the show would have increased sales. Of course, the Stones had done Rock And Roll Circus in December 1968(not publicly shown for decades)and Elvis had done his big "comeback" show but there must have been a way for our guys to show off live these fantastic new songs off the White Album. That'd been one hell of a rocking great perormance. I think the Jude and Revolution clips are examples of what they could have done.
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Post by joeyself on Aug 12, 2010 10:51:57 GMT -5
Wow, I just did the exercise where you assign a rating to each song (I omitted "Wild Honey Pie" and used 7 per side) and totalled it up.
Dead tie.
I'm going to have to think about this some more.
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Post by stavros on Aug 12, 2010 15:58:07 GMT -5
Isn't it so often the way that there is one track, on a given album side, that is out of place ... that is a real clunker? On the White Album, side 1, it is Bungalow Bill. I'm embarrassed that Lennon found it worthy of recording. And what about the others - "Hey John, it's a bit obvious isn't it? Unsubtle, and unworthy man. I thought the chemicals were supposed to give you insight!" But it's there, forever - the one blot on White Album, side 1. (By the way, I like Wild Honey Pie: I think a lot of Beatle fans go with the flow of whatever is "current" wisdom in what is "liked" or "disliked". Me? I think it's a very nice bit of filler - in which the White Album abounds, just quietly; the fillers help the flow. It's like a light sorbet between courses at a big meal: it cleanses the palate.) Does Pepper side 1 have a "clunker"? Ah! It doesn't. No song here is an outright loser. Of course, no song (except maybe Lucy) rises to any great heights either. The arrangement of Pepper songs is what grabs you, rather than inherent song quality. How to decide between the sides? Is there an OUTSTANDING song on these two sides that will tip the scales? Yes: there are THREE! Prudence, Guitar Gently Weeps, and Warm Gun, all on the White Album. Absolute raging classics, each in a different way. Even Pepper's good ones on side 1 don't come close to these giants. So the White Album, side 1, gets the nod. I knew it right from the start. Good God! I think the Guinness has worked I'm agreeing with you. Used to love Pepper as kid I really did. But the White Album is actually called "The Beatles" and "The Beatles" as a band an album was/were better than the sum of the individual parts. The White Album is pleasure, a treasure, a disappointment, a weird moment and an annoyance. But it takes time to work it's way into your mind. Pepper side 1 is clean, clinical and pure candy floss to the ears. Whereas TB rocks you, soothes you, mystifies you, tickles you, let's you tune out ,annoys you a bit and then totally blows you away with it's last two tracks of side 1. Pepper is generally a very level quality album whereas The Beatles is like a wonderful kaleidoscope of life. I think I need to take tea after all that. But no matter I've voted for TB1.
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Post by joeyself on Aug 18, 2010 9:33:52 GMT -5
I wound up taking TB 1. The strength of "Back In The USSR" carried it across the finish line in a photo finish.
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Post by scousette on Aug 18, 2010 10:42:04 GMT -5
SGT. PEPPER, Side 1
"She's Leaving Home" is the clunker here for me. It just tries too hard.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 18, 2010 10:57:44 GMT -5
Instead of the "Get Back" sessions in January 1969, I always wish The Beatles would have done a live show for broadcast of just songs from the White Album. No new songs to write and learn and the album was still going strong on the charts so the show would have increased sales. Of course, the Stones had done Rock And Roll Circus in December 1968(not publicly shown for decades)and Elvis had done his big "comeback" show but there must have been a way for our guys to show off live these fantastic new songs off the White Album. That'd been one hell of a rocking great perormance. I think the Jude and Revolution clips are examples of what they could have done. Exactly! But in my dream show, they would be completely live, in an intimate setting doing these songs. HJ/Rev would have been the anchor to the show as that was a mega-hit single people were still enjoying into early 1969(we never gave up loving that single although the "You were great and you were great," and "now the people in the middle seats" tests our patience). I see my dream show opening with the White Album's great 1-2 punch of "Back In The U.S.S.R." and "Dear Prudence" or it might be cool for The Beatles to open with "Dear Prudence" itself and build the momentum up to the rockers. That would have been an amazing show: "An Evening In The Doll House" or "An Evening With The Beatles," something to showcase the hit double-album. Alas, we got "Get Back"(much later as "Let It Be") and the break-up of the band.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 18, 2010 10:59:03 GMT -5
Isn't it so often the way that there is one track, on a given album side, that is out of place ... that is a real clunker? On the White Album, side 1, it is Bungalow Bill. I'm embarrassed that Lennon found it worthy of recording. And what about the others - "Hey John, it's a bit obvious isn't it? Unsubtle, and unworthy man. I thought the chemicals were supposed to give you insight!" But it's there, forever - the one blot on White Album, side 1. (By the way, I like Wild Honey Pie: I think a lot of Beatle fans go with the flow of whatever is "current" wisdom in what is "liked" or "disliked". Me? I think it's a very nice bit of filler - in which the White Album abounds, just quietly; the fillers help the flow. It's like a light sorbet between courses at a big meal: it cleanses the palate.) Does Pepper side 1 have a "clunker"? Ah! It doesn't. No song here is an outright loser. Of course, no song (except maybe Lucy) rises to any great heights either. The arrangement of Pepper songs is what grabs you, rather than inherent song quality. How to decide between the sides? Is there an OUTSTANDING song on these two sides that will tip the scales? Yes: there are THREE! Prudence, Guitar Gently Weeps, and Warm Gun, all on the White Album. Absolute raging classics, each in a different way. Even Pepper's good ones on side 1 don't come close to these giants. So the White Album, side 1, gets the nod. I knew it right from the start. Good God! I think the Guinness has worked I'm agreeing with you. Used to love Pepper as kid I really did. But the White Album is actually called "The Beatles" and "The Beatles" as a band an album was/were better than the sum of the individual parts. The White Album is pleasure, a treasure, a disappointment, a weird moment and an annoyance. But it takes time to work it's way into your mind. Pepper side 1 is clean, clinical and pure candy floss to the ears. Whereas TB rocks you, soothes you, mystifies you, tickles you, let's you tune out ,annoys you a bit and then totally blows you away with it's last two tracks of side 1. Pepper is generally a very level quality album whereas The Beatles is like a wonderful kaleidoscope of life. I think I need to take tea after all that. But no matter I've voted for TB1. Great post stavros!
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