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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 22, 2012 21:42:36 GMT -5
I swear like a sailor and won't change but I must admit that I was kind of sorry that Paul let the f-word fly on this song.
I always thought that Paul was classier than I am (and most of society) but he's not. His endorsement of psycho Stella's too tight and profane tee-shirt confirmed it.
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Post by kc on Mar 22, 2012 22:31:42 GMT -5
I always thought that Paul was classier than I am (and most of society) but he's not. No, he's probably not. Nor most of the celebrities, entertainers, sports people, academics, artists and so on that fans like us often put on a pedestal. I wasn't sorry, or delighted, that Paul chose to use the words that he did. I just thought it was of no consequence.
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 22, 2012 23:01:15 GMT -5
And even when John used it, it wasn't big and it wasn't clever. Ooh, sweary sweary, how naughty. Grow up, do. Yes but it was congruent with John's character not Paul's, Paul seems too goody-goody to drop the F bomb and comes across as a try hard. The song would have been better without it IMO.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 22, 2012 23:04:56 GMT -5
And even when John used it, it wasn't big and it wasn't clever. Ooh, sweary sweary, how naughty. Grow up, do. You won't like to hear this, vectis, but the entire PLASTIC ONO BAND album was all about John having grown up! No more "Beatle John" boyishness.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 23, 2012 5:34:54 GMT -5
I'm very happy about JLPOB being about John having grown up, even though listening to the record gives me no pleasure. I can even see that the use of bad language has valid dramatic purpose (in WCH, less so in I Found Out, and not at all in Big Boys Bickering where I think it is just used to be shocking for the sake of it).
When bad language is used creatively, I am all for it - I cite Neil Gaiman's Stardust as an excellent and creative use of bad language in written form, and the movie A Bunch Of Amateurs for likewise on film (I also have a soft spot for Stella's T shirt). What I don't have much patience for is the scattergun use of the F-bomb in contemporary comedies, and its use in songs to outrage if that is the only purpose (Katy Perry's Teenage Dream album is a case in point).
I deplore the paucity of creative language use as exemplified by foul language generally when it is used in rap (albeit as a reflection of the spoken word) as much as I also deplore use of the words "just" and "really" in songwriting generally as one- and two-syllable place fillers.
I have more deploring, but I'll leave it at that for now, other than to say that my exhortation to grow up was aimed more at Paul than John, but if the cap fits...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 23, 2012 6:37:57 GMT -5
When bad language is used creatively, I am all for it - I cite Neil Gaiman's Stardust as an excellent and creative use of bad language in written form, and the movie A Bunch Of Amateurs for likewise on film (I also have a soft spot for Stella's T shirt). What I don't have much patience for is the scattergun use of the F-bomb in contemporary comedies, and its use in songs to outrage if that is the only purpose . I agree on that. However, I do think the word is well used for in all the ex-Beatle songs mentioned.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 23, 2012 13:28:13 GMT -5
When bad language is used creatively, I am all for it - I cite Neil Gaiman's Stardust as an excellent and creative use of bad language in written form, and the movie A Bunch Of Amateurs for likewise on film (I also have a soft spot for Stella's T shirt). What I don't have much patience for is the scattergun use of the F-bomb in contemporary comedies, and its use in songs to outrage if that is the only purpose . I agree on that. However, I do think the word is well used for in all the ex-Beatle songs mentioned. I think the profanity is not only appropriate, but downright spine-chilling when George Harrison spits out, "down on Bullshit Avenue" right at the climax of "Brainwashed." He has so much passion in uttering that. I think the f-words use in "Working Class Hero" are not only fine but necessary to convey the fear and anger in that song. Still, I felt Paul didn't need to drop his f-bombs in "Big Boys Bickering" but they are there and I must deal with it. Former I.U. legendary Mens Basketball Coach Bobby Knight has an outtake from a botched commercial where he does the skit on why the F-word is the greatest word in the English language because it can be a noun, a verb, a pronoun and an adverb. That is kind of funny to watch but I won't hunt it down and post it here. ;D
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 23, 2012 17:34:25 GMT -5
I think Ringo's F**k Liverpool from his Ringo F**kingRama album was uncalled for, but other than that ....
I guess swear words have to offend somebody or they lose their power. I kind of like the playout of Big Boys with the "Effing it up for everyone, effing it up for everyone" sing-a-long.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Mar 25, 2012 19:09:47 GMT -5
First time I've heard this one, I always thought it was a rocker, a bit surprised that it's kinda mellow.
It's....ok. The f-bomb is gtatuitous, don't know that it adds anything. I give it a 2.
So what are Paul's politics? I'm not convinced, but could be, that he's a right-winger. He's against taxes, we all are, as he likes to roll around in all his money. But he seems anti-military intervention, anti-GW Bush, and anti-drug laws. Not sure he's a conservative, and I really doubt he's a social conservtive.
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Post by sayne on Mar 26, 2012 10:00:07 GMT -5
ANYONE who has ever said "There outta be a law," should just shut the fuck up about big government. We have the government we deserve and created. Stop crying about it and deal.
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Post by Snookeroo on Mar 26, 2012 10:10:50 GMT -5
was glad Paul said F**k in a song. Shakes up the image a bit. John should have only used it once in WCH. More impact that way. Saying it a second time watered it down a bit. As far as Stella's t-shirt - it doesn't bother me much what it said on it, and I think a woman should be able to wear a t-shirt as tight as she pleases ;D (too tight JSD? Really )
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Mar 26, 2012 12:15:26 GMT -5
First time I've heard this one, I always thought it was a rocker, a bit surprised that it's kinda mellow. It's....ok. The f-bomb is gtatuitous, don't know that it adds anything. I give it a 2. So what are Paul's politics? I'm not convinced, but could be, that he's a right-winger. He's against taxes, we all are, as he likes to roll around in all his money. But he seems anti-military intervention, anti-GW Bush, and anti-drug laws. Not sure he's a conservative, and I really doubt he's a social conservtive. I don't think he is a social conservative, though he believes strongly that the family structure is important in keeping order and stabiltiy in a society. But he describes himeself as fiscally conservative. I don't have the direct quote in front of me. But he said governments in the US and Europe have to get their spending under control and he was taught not to spend beyond your means. He believes borrowing is a trap that should be avoided. As for foregn policy politics, he certainly doesn't belive in pacifism. He said John didn't really believe in it either and this was the subject of many discussions when they were younger. He beleives in fighting back when attacked, hense, the song Freedom. In fact he said he got a lot of flack for that song because of its lyrics. He said it was taken as a pro-war song which it wasn't. On the other hand, its not a pacifist song either. He's really more of a Libertarian to me. He thinks government should but out with regard to personal matters such as sexual related matters, pot etc.
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Post by theman on Mar 29, 2012 8:42:18 GMT -5
Yeah, a 2.5 seems about right. I like the casual, breezy feel of the song, in contrast to the more serious message in the lyrics. The sing song refrain kinda cracked me up, back when this came out. But, listening to it now, it does seem contrived. Makes me wonder if this song would have worked as well (or better) if he didn't use the F-word ("screwing"?, "messing"? "ruining"?). Hmmm, maybe F-ing was the right word after all .
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