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Post by debjorgo on Jul 7, 2013 22:41:49 GMT -5
I've seen so many drug and alcohol casualties over the years the last thing i want to do is romanticize my drug and alcohol use. Even as i went down that path. And a lot of it was, as an artist i wanted to experiment with different modes of consciousness. And a lot of it was indeed great fun. But I've seen the needle and the damage done. As Loretta Young or some other Young once put it. Loretta's been a heavier drinker than I've ever been. (Sloe Gin Fizzes by the picture.)
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 7, 2013 23:04:07 GMT -5
I think it was Dylan who once sang, "May you stay Loretta Young."
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 7, 2013 23:35:36 GMT -5
But Joe arsenic is "natural" but its poison. Penicillin and antibiotics are "artificial" but I'd argue their merits. One mans drug is another mans medicine. Now I'm gonna go and pound some medicinal malt liquor. Good night and god bless you Beatlemaniacs everywhere.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jul 8, 2013 15:06:25 GMT -5
Most importantly, I have never dragged John through the mud as another poster and friend wrote. I defy you or anyone on this site to find where I have personally or professionally attached John. "Attached" or "attacked"? I can agree that you do not attach John to Paul as far as equality in The Beatles. What "mythology"? You are under a delusion that there is some kid of mythology against Paul where Macca is not getting his fair due. I just don't see this at all, not anymore at any rate. And this is what is at the core of this thread, RTP... yes, after John died there was a period of time where the myth became that "John Was The BEatles", which was dead wrong and unfair to Paul. I am pointing out that TODAY, the tide has turned too far in the reverse -- John is now dead 33 years, does not release new material or make new appearances, and Paul is in the spotlight and speaking on behalf of The Beatles and changing history to suit himself. It is 2013 today, it is not 1985 anymore. The problem is, you only shed the light on Paul -- you do not shed the light on John, and neither does Paul these days. All you do is point out Paul's contributions to Beatles songs or John/George songs --- I don't see you making it your personal life mission to dissect every Paul song and point out where John, George or Ringo helped Paul out. You're right about that last part Joe. I am far to one sided in that regard.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 8, 2013 18:05:26 GMT -5
I'm usually on Paul's side when it comes to a P vs. J discussion but consider, how often do you hear someone trying to say how great John was in the Beatles and then start rattling off songs like Yesterday, Let it Be, and Hey Jude. I don't think I've ever heard it the other way around.
Who has the bigger complaint? John, because his songs aren't getting the credit they deserve as great songs or Paul, because John is getting credit for his songs. I think John has definitely got the bigger complaint.
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 18, 2013 14:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by andyb on Jul 18, 2013 16:32:25 GMT -5
All that good work on vaccines gone to waste then.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 18, 2013 16:53:46 GMT -5
"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us" - Walt Kelly
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Post by sayne on Jul 18, 2013 18:48:52 GMT -5
All I ever learn from your "classes", sayne, is that I'm much smarter than you are. I'll concede that you are funnier than I am.
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Post by scousette on Jul 25, 2013 17:42:12 GMT -5
This guy plays John's rhythm guitar part on I'm Happy Just To Dance With you. Lennon was no slouch on rhythm.
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Post by ursamajor on Jul 25, 2013 18:10:56 GMT -5
This guy plays John's rhythm guitar part on I'm Happy Just To Dance With you. Lennon was no slouch on rhythm. Where is the Love button, that was awesome, a song that John didn't give much credit to but it really rocks.
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Post by scousette on Jul 25, 2013 18:24:34 GMT -5
ursa, thanks for your comments. You can also really hear some cool changes that are just thrown in there and give the song intrigue.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 25, 2013 18:28:01 GMT -5
This guy plays John's rhythm guitar part on I'm Happy Just To Dance With you. Lennon was no slouch on rhythm. Yeah, that was cool. It sounded great and even fun to watch.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 26, 2013 11:00:22 GMT -5
Very cool, scousette! Thanks for sharing that! Did Paul show John how to play that?
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 26, 2013 16:41:03 GMT -5
This guy plays John's rhythm guitar part on I'm Happy Just To Dance With you. Lennon was no slouch on rhythm. Thanks for posting, Scousette! Reminds me of the famous Dylan quote: "They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid." To me, rhythm guitar is the heart and soul, the driving force of rocknroll. And Lennon was a master at it.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jul 27, 2013 2:41:52 GMT -5
I think you really had to be around in 1967 to understand the fury that "Lucy" in particular provoked. That was the song more than any that parents felt was enticing their kids to experiment with drugs. I can certainly understand why John would want to distance himself from that interpretation'............. Do you really think Paul brought it up just to make John look bad? And by the way Paul said "we" were writing about drug experiences. Not just John. Paul should not speak for John. That's part of this problem again, that John is no longer here to speak for himself and refute or clarify such things if necessary. Why would John admit to writing songs about drugs but lie about LUCY? Makes no sense. On the 'Old Grey Whistle Test" interview, John clearly admits to using drugs when telling people to look at the album cover: " You'll see two people who are flying, and two who aren't... two wouldn't share it". Lennon was more of an "In your face, and I don't care" kind of guy, especially when it came to his music. He never felt he had to "distance himself" from his songs. I didn't and wouldn't say that Paul was trying to make John "look bad" -- I just think Paul, as is well-documented, tends to re-write history (and these days usually to his own benefit), and takes far too many liberties in speaking for others like John. Ace, I just think that you, for whatever your reasons, have a real WANT for 'Lucy' to be all about drugs. I mean, even though I have never had an acid trip myself, of course I could see how the words to LUCY could simulate an acid trip. I'm thinking you loved to get high yourself, and you grew up with LUCY as a drug-oriented opus, and you don't want to ruin it for yourself. But the bottom line for me is, I absolutely believe that Julian's surreal drawing with the lady flying all around inspired John to write the song (was Julian on acid when he drew the picture?). If you were there as Paul was, and he knows the real story and you helped create the recording and your name is on it, you can speak for yourself. He is not speaking for John.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 21, 2013 13:46:33 GMT -5
Note to JSD: Johnny, I am now re-instating my membership into the "R.J.L. SOCIETY". (The Macca Mad Hatters and Lennon Haters have recently gone way out of control again, and John has been getting marginalized more than ever). So count me back in! Welcome back, Joe! It was lonely for a while. I just want John restored to equal standing with Paul, I am not trying to take anything away from Macca. We see how his recent appearance at a Nets game caused the journalist to call Paul the Beatles' lead singer. The public needs reminded that The Beatles also had a chap named John Lennon and that he was pretty good too!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 6:08:54 GMT -5
Forget him? I'm pretty sure I couldn't. It could be argued that Paul has forgotten him, The now revised history has Paul co-writing all of John's songs whereas John had very little to do with Paul's songs. Thank fark Paul never tried to hump George
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Post by Panther on Dec 29, 2013 22:02:59 GMT -5
Thank fark Paul never tried to hump George Right, that was Brian Epstein.
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