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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 14, 2012 6:03:26 GMT -5
If you don't know this song, play it here!
Comment and/or Rate this Solo Song
4=Great 3=Good 2=Average 1=Crap
"Driving Rain" - Paul McCartney, DRIVING RAIN (2001)
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 14, 2012 6:06:03 GMT -5
1.5 -- I think this song (and album) is pure cow manure .... however, I gave this one a " .5 " because it's got a rockin' vibe to it. Still doesn't help it though, because the lyrics are desperate and Paul relies on his "ooh-ooh" to fill in the gaps. This really sounds like Paul was trying to compose a song and had nothing so he forced it.
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Post by kc on Apr 14, 2012 6:35:19 GMT -5
I, on the other hand, enjoy the Driving Rain album. Unfortunately, I don't particularly like the title track so much. 2 (average) from me. Can't like them all I suppose.
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Post by mikev on Apr 14, 2012 8:47:48 GMT -5
1 this is right up there with the Girl is Mine and one of his most cringeworth lyrical songs IMO.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Apr 14, 2012 13:21:57 GMT -5
Without the counting, this is a pretty good song, especially for that album. Catchy. I'll give it a 2.5, (3 with lyrics substituting for the counting).
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 14, 2012 13:49:20 GMT -5
Wow, thanks Joe. This song makes me happy on this rainy Saturday(but not driving rain).
Give this song a 4 for me. It is a "Let's get away from our sadness" song.
I adore the lines:
"You come walking through my door Like the one that I've been waiting for Letting sunshine in the darkest places when I've been going there again."
It is the excitement that maybe a change of scenery will chase those blues away. In many ways this song uplifts me more than "Hey Jude."
I said this in 2001 and I'll say it here today, the counting bits are all good, they add to the excitement and thrill of running away. Remember my friends, there was once a classic Rock album where it was sung like a mantra:
"1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven...."
My 4 is only for the studio version. This was always a trainwreck live on that 2002 Tour.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 14, 2012 14:28:07 GMT -5
"1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven...." Yes, but that was just a last-moment fadeout for the song YOU NEVER GIVE ME YOUR MONEY ... and it worked as such.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Apr 14, 2012 18:12:41 GMT -5
There are some great chord changes and melody turns in that song. I can overlook the counting and I like the ooh ooh especially the second time. You are being so tough on the lyrics here yet you give Move over Ms. L a 4 with its crappy lyrics. This is a solid 2.5 for me. There are better songs on the album (Your Way, From A Lover to a Friend and Heather for example) but this is hardly cringe worthy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 18:22:28 GMT -5
Here are the lyrics..
12345 Let's go for a drive 678910 Let's go there and back again
Something's open it's my heart If something's missing it's when we're apart If something's good it's when we're back together again
Nothing's wrong it's just insane Nothing's right until you're back again Nothing's broken when it's softly spoken And we're walking slowly down the lane
Why don't we drive in the rain Straight to the eye of the hurricane Go for a ride in the driving rain
12345 Let's go for a drive 678910 Ooh Ooh 12345 Let's go for a drive 678910 Let's go there and back again Baby baby
You come walking through my door Like the one that I've been waiting for Letting sunshine in the darkest places when I've been going there again
So why don't we drive in the rain Straight to the eye of the hurricane
Why don't we drive in the rain Straight to the eye of the hurricane Go for a ride in the driving rain 12345 Let's go for a drive 678910 Ooh Ooh 12345 Let's go for a drive 678910 Let's go there and back again Baby baby
In the driving rain Why don't we drive In the driving rain
12345 Ooh Ooh 678910 Let's go back again 12345 Let's go for a drive 678910 Let's go there and back again
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 18:24:26 GMT -5
I'm not keen on this Macca song at all
I give it a 1
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Post by coachbk on Apr 15, 2012 0:05:08 GMT -5
This is a 2 for sure. Neither this song nor the album are any better than average. And average is not very good for someone as talented as Paul McCartney!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 15, 2012 5:33:37 GMT -5
There are some great chord changes and melody turns in that song. I can overlook the counting and I like the ooh ooh especially the second time. You are being so tough on the lyrics here yet you give Move over Ms. L a 4 with its crappy lyrics. This is a solid 2.5 for me. There are better songs on the album (Your Way, From A Lover to a Friend and Heather for example) but this is hardly cringe worthy. Oh, give it a rest. Paul was known for his poor lyrics, and John is generally thought of as a good lyricist and basically superior to Paul on that score. It doesn't amount to anything just because John's lyrics for MOVE OVER Ms. L (and maybe a few others) were "offbeat"... it was the EXCEPTION for John, not the RULE (as it has always been for Paul). You can't cherry pick. You have no problem trashing Ringo's STOP AND SMELL THE ROSES song but yet you have to at least give Paul a "2.5" for crud like this. And you feel obligated to point out "there are better songs on DRIVING RAIN, but..." . Can't you ever show some humility and criticize Paul at all, without having to reduce John in the process, or to counter-balance things by listing alternative song choices and things to save McCartney's arse...?
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Apr 15, 2012 8:54:06 GMT -5
There are some great chord changes and melody turns in that song. I can overlook the counting and I like the ooh ooh especially the second time. You are being so tough on the lyrics here yet you give Move over Ms. L a 4 with its crappy lyrics. This is a solid 2.5 for me. There are better songs on the album (Your Way, From A Lover to a Friend and Heather for example) but this is hardly cringe worthy. I gave this song it's best grade so far, you gave it the same grade! If I'm being tough on Paul, so are you! Sorry, no way is 1,2,3,4,5 let's go for a drive anything but a poor lyric. Move Over Ms L has crappy lyrics??? Paul should write such crappy lyrics sometime...
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 15, 2012 10:41:25 GMT -5
There are some great chord changes and melody turns in that song. I can overlook the counting and I like the ooh ooh especially the second time. You are being so tough on the lyrics here yet you give Move over Ms. L a 4 with its crappy lyrics. This is a solid 2.5 for me. There are better songs on the album (Your Way, From A Lover to a Friend and Heather for example) but this is hardly cringe worthy. I gave this song it's best grade so far, you gave it the same grade! If I'm being tough on Paul, so are you! Sorry, no way is 1,2,3,4,5 let's go for a drive anything but a poor lyric. Move Over Ms L has crappy lyrics??? Paul should write such crappy lyrics sometime... Maybe I shouldn't draw attention to my vote of 4 as I don't want to get yelled at. I have been an outspoken fan of this album for over a decade so at least you know my vote is sincere. The recording of DR has a real appealing charm to me of Paul being so child-like in a desperate attempt to escape his then problems.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Apr 15, 2012 12:51:29 GMT -5
I gave this song it's best grade so far, you gave it the same grade! If I'm being tough on Paul, so are you! Sorry, no way is 1,2,3,4,5 let's go for a drive anything but a poor lyric. Move Over Ms L has crappy lyrics??? Paul should write such crappy lyrics sometime... Maybe I shouldn't draw attention to my vote of 4 as I don't want to get yelled at. I have been an outspoken fan of this album for over a decade so at least you know my vote is sincere. The recording of DR has a real appealing charm to me of Paul being so child-like in a desperate attempt to escape his then problems. I should have mentioned that my 2.5 was the highest at the point I posted, you posted your sincere 4 after that. Your Driving Rain bonafides are well documented. My comment was just in response for being beaten on for a grade that was equal to the beater!
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 15, 2012 22:11:03 GMT -5
Maybe I shouldn't draw attention to my vote of 4 as I don't want to get yelled at. I have been an outspoken fan of this album for over a decade so at least you know my vote is sincere. The recording of DR has a real appealing charm to me of Paul being so child-like in a desperate attempt to escape his then problems. I should have mentioned that my 2.5 was the highest at the point I posted, you posted your sincere 4 after that. Your Driving Rain bonafides are well documented. My comment was just in response for being beaten on for a grade that was equal to the beater! LOL, I see. I hit the highway today and in honor of this Thread I grabbed Driving Rain and really enjoyed it! A few surprises. I actually like "She's Given Up Talking" today. I never really liked that but overall it sounded good. I still don't like the line "not a dickey bird." I really disliked "Spinning On An Axis" today. Wow, I think I use to tolerate it or even liked it. Today I thought it blew. Speaking of Paul's lyrical ability, what the heck does, "It's the season of the culture bat" mean? "Freedom" sounded rather lousy and I have never been a fierce critic of it. It just sounded poor to me today. It was one that needed to be seen live. Paul did it on the 2002 tour and in concert it was much better than listening to it on radio or c.d. The song "Driving Rain" made me so happy as I drove down the highway today. I like the counting as I explained above. The song cheered me up. I like when music does that. I was really impressed with the DR album today except as noted. "Rinse the Raindrops" rocked hard even if four or five minutes should have been shaved off it. "Heather" is so giddy, so happy! It perfectly describes with music new love. "Magic" was very moving to me. I cranked it on the car stereo. The emotional climax of the song is apparently referring to Linda's death: "And this is the hour That they turn out the light Nothing but memories Burning so bright Burning so bright." Wow, I was pretty moved there. "From A Lover To A Friend" sounded great, also very emotional although I can never figure out the line: "I have a dilemma All I want is to tell me You're going to take it away." Still, a good song although clearly not a single.
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Post by kc on Apr 15, 2012 22:24:23 GMT -5
I agree about Magic. It sounds heart-felt to me. Good lyrics IMO. Only problem I have with it is that I think Paul's voice sounds a bit flat. I like it nonetheless.
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Post by vectisfabber on Apr 16, 2012 10:04:33 GMT -5
This song is no worse than the album which takes its name from it, but as the album as a whole is rubbish, that's not saying much.
Disposable nothingness. 1.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 16, 2012 10:29:28 GMT -5
This song is no worse than the album which takes its name from it, but as the album as a whole is rubbish, that's not saying much. Disposable nothingness. 1. Agreed. I can't listen to DR. 1, the song or the album.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Apr 16, 2012 19:25:07 GMT -5
I should have mentioned that my 2.5 was the highest at the point I posted, you posted your sincere 4 after that. Your Driving Rain bonafides are well documented. My comment was just in response for being beaten on for a grade that was equal to the beater! LOL, I see. I hit the highway today and in honor of this Thread I grabbed Driving Rain and really enjoyed it! A few surprises. I actually like "She's Given Up Talking" today. I never really liked that but overall it sounded good. I still don't like the line "not a dickey bird." I really disliked "Spinning On An Axis" today. Wow, I think I use to tolerate it or even liked it. Today I thought it blew. Speaking of Paul's lyrical ability, what the heck does, "It's the season of the culture bat" mean? "Freedom" sounded rather lousy and I have never been a fierce critic of it. It just sounded poor to me today. It was one that needed to be seen live. Paul did it on the 2002 tour and in concert it was much better than listening to it on radio or c.d. The song "Driving Rain" made me so happy as I drove down the highway today. I like the counting as I explained above. The song cheered me up. I like when music does that. I was really impressed with the DR album today except as noted. "Rinse the Raindrops" rocked hard even if four or five minutes should have been shaved off it. "Heather" is so giddy, so happy! It perfectly describes with music new love. "Magic" was very moving to me. I cranked it on the car stereo. The emotional climax of the song is apparently referring to Linda's death: "And this is the hour That they turn out the light Nothing but memories Burning so bright Burning so bright." Wow, I was pretty moved there. "From A Lover To A Friend" sounded great, also very emotional although I can never figure out the line: "I have a dilemma All I want is to tell me You're going to take it away." Still, a good song although clearly not a single. I think Paul is talking about "taking away" the pain of her death. Regarding the line "I'm in a dilemma" the dilemma is that Paul may have felt he was betraying Linda by falling in love with Heather. I like a lot of the album too, but Paul had not recorded for a while and Magic needed another take though it was a good track. The dickie bird line is Cockney rhyming slang for "word" as in "Did she say anything? Not a dickie bird (not a word). I never liked Spinning on an Axis. I always liked Freedom. And I don't think you mentioned my favorite song on the album --Your Way --which could have come from the JSD Postulate era (1971).
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 16, 2012 23:02:24 GMT -5
I think Paul is talking about "taking away" the pain of her death. Regarding the line "I'm in a dilemma" the dilemma is that Paul may have felt he was betraying Linda by falling in love with Heather. I think you are right. I like your take on the use of "dilemma." Someone, maybe you RTP, said Paul sounded a little flat on "Magic" and that is true or, as you say, a little rusty although didn't he do Run Devil Run after Linda passed but before DR? Still, I love "Magic" and if Paul did that in an intimate setting with his band there wouldn't be a dry eye in the house. As you may remember, back in 2001/2002 I defended "Freedom" here, well Steve's first Board. It was cool in concert. There was no one in the crowd who wasn't stomping along and singing. But Sunday it just didn't do anything for me in the car. Absolutely! I didn't run through all the songs but "Your Way" is amazing and is a grandson of Ram and for the non-JSD Postulate people, Paul slyly name checks "Venus" and "Mars" in it! And same with the rocking "About You," another one that could have been from the Postulate Era including a cool organ bit. Hey, I even like "Tiny Bubbles" and the chorus does sound like a happy-go-lucky tribute to George's "Piggies!" "I Do" is iconic Macca Pop that never got its proper due although I hear that surprisingly often on easy listening radio stations. "I Do" quietly gets more airtime than any other song off DR. In that way it is like "Arrow Through Me," the easy champ of most radio play from BTTE after all these years but quietly so. "Spinning On An Axis" was the only true DR song I didn't like Sunday("Freedom" was tacked on the album at the last second as really a bonus track, really a nice gesture by Paul).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 17, 2012 6:01:31 GMT -5
I think Paul is talking about "taking away" the pain of her death. Regarding the line "I'm in a dilemma" the dilemma is that Paul may have felt he was betraying Linda by falling in love with Heather. Maybe. Could be on this one. But you have to remember that a lot of times Paul just has an idea for a melody and then sticks whatever words in later on. Many times he's been asked what various songs mean, and he says he has no idea. And he doesn't say this to keep it a secret; he often writes songs that just don't mean or relate to anything about him personally.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Apr 17, 2012 13:10:58 GMT -5
I think Paul is talking about "taking away" the pain of her death. Regarding the line "I'm in a dilemma" the dilemma is that Paul may have felt he was betraying Linda by falling in love with Heather. I think you are right. I like your take on the use of "dilemma." Someone, maybe you RTP, said Paul sounded a little flat on "Magic" and that is true or, as you say, a little rusty although didn't he do Run Devil Run after Linda passed but before DR? Still, I love "Magic" and if Paul did that in an intimate setting with his band there wouldn't be a dry eye in the house. As you may remember, back in 2001/2002 I defended "Freedom" here, well Steve's first Board. It was cool in concert. There was no one in the crowd who wasn't stomping along and singing. But Sunday it just didn't do anything for me in the car. Absolutely! I didn't run through all the songs but "Your Way" is amazing and is a grandson of Ram and for the non-JSD Postulate people, Paul slyly name checks "Venus" and "Mars" in it! And same with the rocking "About You," another one that could have been from the Postulate Era including a cool organ bit. Hey, I even like "Tiny Bubbles" and the chorus does sound like a happy-go-lucky tribute to George's "Piggies!" "I Do" is iconic Macca Pop that never got its proper due although I hear that surprisingly often on easy listening radio stations. "I Do" quietly gets more airtime than any other song off DR. In that way it is like "Arrow Through Me," the easy champ of most radio play from BTTE after all these years but quietly so. "Spinning On An Axis" was the only true DR song I didn't like Sunday("Freedom" was tacked on the album at the last second as really a bonus track, really a nice gesture by Paul). About You is good. Tiny Bubbles does sound like a tribute to George/Piggies. I hear I Do occasionally on easy listening also.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Apr 17, 2012 13:14:06 GMT -5
I should keep this for Joe to post on one of his Solo Song reviews but here it goes:
Well Joe, maybe one could criticize the falsetto, but you can't hate this track, can you? It has some real emotion, for one thing.
I posted it because its better than I remembered.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Apr 17, 2012 13:27:59 GMT -5
I think Paul is talking about "taking away" the pain of her death. Regarding the line "I'm in a dilemma" the dilemma is that Paul may have felt he was betraying Linda by falling in love with Heather. Maybe. Could be on this one. But you have to remember that a lot of times Paul just has an idea for a melody and then sticks whatever words in later on. Many times he's been asked what various songs mean, and he says he has no idea. And he doesn't say this to keep it a secret; he often writes songs that just don't mean or relate to anything about him personally. I know he has said he likes to keep things open to interpretation.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Apr 17, 2012 13:30:37 GMT -5
This song is no worse than the album which takes its name from it, but as the album as a whole is rubbish, that's not saying much. Disposable nothingness. 1. Aren't you being a bit arbitrry. ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 17, 2012 17:30:13 GMT -5
I should keep this for Joe to post on one of his Solo Song reviews but here it goes: Well Joe, maybe one could criticize the falsetto, but you can't hate this track, can you? It has some real emotion, for one thing. I posted it because its better than I remembered. "I Do" must be considered a hidden McCartney gem. If I was burning a comp of my favorite Macca, "I Do" would be there as would "Magic."
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Apr 17, 2012 20:15:22 GMT -5
Tiny Bubbles does sound like a tribute to George/Piggies. . The same kind of "tribute" that gets John called a "plagerist" on this board...
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 18, 2012 18:48:36 GMT -5
I'll give it a 1.2345. As I've said elsewhere, I don't mind bad lyrics when the song rocks. This song doesn't rock. It's very much McCartney pop. It taps into an area of Paul's musical style that I do not like, a generic pop song that's over produced to make it sound big when it's not.
It's not my least favorite song on the album, that's I Do. I Do is the only song I've deleted from my PC. No doubt so that I don't acidentally play it. But I think I reviewed every song from DR elsewhere.
What song did John get called a plagerist on, on this board? The only song I know of that John got called a plagerist on is Come Together. And John admitted that they were playing a Chuck song that turned into Come Together.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Apr 18, 2012 18:54:29 GMT -5
I'll give it a 1.2345. As I've said elsewhere, I don't mind bad lyrics when the song rocks. This song doesn't rock. It's not my least favorite song on the album, that's I Do. I Do is the only song I've deleted from my PC. No doubt so that I don't acidentally play it. But I think I reviewed every song from DR elsewhere. What song did John get called a plagerist on, on this board? The only song I know of that John got called a plagerist on is Come Togethe. And John admitted that they were playing a Chuck song that turned into Come Together. Your grade made me laugh. Oh, a few months ago some smartass or other presented a thread called "Beatles...Plagerist Extraodinaires" and proceeded to name a series of songs the Beatles wrote that could be considered similar to others. Only Lennon songs were listed, despite the equal number of Maccapinches in existence. A "let's bring down John without saying we're bringing down John" thread. No doubt that poster would have considered Tiny Bubbles a pinch had it only been written by John.
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