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Post by Snookeroo on Apr 15, 2012 12:36:03 GMT -5
I know you got an avalanche of criticism against your view of Pete Best. I tried best I could to keep it civil personally. If I didn't then I apologize.
Anyway, you are passionate about the very early days of the band and have researched it. I'd personally like to still see you participating and sharing your thoughts.
That's all.
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Post by andyb on Apr 15, 2012 12:58:02 GMT -5
I reckon it was Joe in disguise and he was having fun picking a fight with himself.
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Post by Snookeroo on Apr 15, 2012 13:32:22 GMT -5
I reckon it was Joe in disguise and he was having fun picking a fight with himself. ;D An interesting theory ;D The thing is though that he has RTP to fight with. He has no free time to pick a fight with anyone else, including himself. Proving that Paul Macca is not God is hard work
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 15, 2012 14:31:24 GMT -5
Um, even though the intention of this thread may have been a good one, I'm concerned it might get personal. So let's keep it on Pete Best and not on members, please.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 15, 2012 16:33:51 GMT -5
I reckon it was Joe in disguise and he was having fun picking a fight with himself. ;D An interesting theory ;D The thing is though that he has RTP to fight with. He has no free time to pick a fight with anyone else, including himself. Proving that Paul Macca is not God is hard work Smileys aside - it's just about voicing my true feelings. Not "picking fights". And as I often point out, Snookeroo did okay saying BATB was in "La La Land"... ...and I'm not the only one who voices getting tired of RTP's endless Paul Is God stuff. You just disregard other members' back-and-forths with him, do ya? People don't like bumps in the road or the apple cart getting upset. Well, it happens sometimes. As for BATB -- I expressed my feeling on why I think he disappeared in the last posts in the "Pete Best Universe" thread.
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Post by Snookeroo on Apr 15, 2012 22:35:47 GMT -5
Um, even though the intention of this thread may have been a good one, I'm concerned it might get personal. So let's keep it on Pete Best and not on members, please. Fair enough Steve. My intention was good, but I see your point. Wipe it out if you feel it's best.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 15, 2012 23:51:39 GMT -5
Um, even though the intention of this thread may have been a good one, I'm concerned it might get personal. So let's keep it on Pete Best and not on members, please. Fair enough Steve. My intention was good, but I see your point. Wipe it out if you feel it's best. I know it was. I was just trying to prevent a callout thread with a lot of inflamed opinions. Feel free to keep the discussion going. And yeah, I wish he'd come back, too. People in Liverpool are very supportive of Pete Best. So a lot of what was said in support of Pete's time in the Beatles was not just one person's opinion.
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Post by andyb on Apr 16, 2012 3:58:57 GMT -5
It was only a chuffing joke for Rod's sake. I'm writing into nothingness for no one. This is supposed to be a fun diversion to the daily grind. No more no less. It ain't serious and I'm certainly not here to boost my own ego by causing trouble.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 16, 2012 9:21:44 GMT -5
...........People in Liverpool are very supportive of Pete Best. So a lot of what was said in support of Pete's time in the Beatles was not just one person's opinion. I wonder if there was a revival in Pete Best's stock in Liverpool after Ringo put his foot in his mouth about the city a few years ago. As many of us have noted, now every bloody new Ringo album has a song about Liverpool so we know Ringo is worried about it!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 16, 2012 9:29:30 GMT -5
...........People in Liverpool are very supportive of Pete Best. So a lot of what was said in support of Pete's time in the Beatles was not just one person's opinion. I wonder if there was a revival in Pete Best's stock in Liverpool after Ringo put his foot in his mouth about the city a few years ago. As many of us have noted, now every bloody new Ringo album has a song about Liverpool so we know Ringo is worried about it! I could send that question to my friend Donna over there and ask her. But I think the support has been there all along. From what I'm hearing, they didn't appreciate what the Beatles did.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 16, 2012 9:34:40 GMT -5
I'd like to add that I have nothing against Pete Best. I've never met him but I'd like to... he seems like a good guy. What I've had a problem with is overstating his contributions and/or relevance as a former Beatle before they gained worldwide fame and attention and became legendary. Some of that over-hype painting Pete as the greatest thing since sliced bread has been astounding to me.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 16, 2012 10:26:57 GMT -5
My friend has just registered for the board. But she sent me this in response to the question about a Pete revival in Liverpool: In answer to the question, Pete's stock has never gone down in Liverpool so there really wasn't any need for a revival. I've met him a couple of times (at the Casbah) and he's always been really lovely; very dignified and classy. There's always been a lot of respect for Pete here, and that's why there was an extensive campaign to get a street named after him. He may not have been the Beatles' drummer for the whole of the band's life, but he was there for a crucial part of it. The feelings of Liverpudlians for Ringo have absolutely nothing to do with our feelings towards Pete, and vice versa.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 16, 2012 11:44:52 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing that Steve! A Donna with a level-headed response*.
* An inside joke that has nothing to do with Steve's friend Donna! ;D
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 16, 2012 23:22:44 GMT -5
And fyi, BATB sent me a note today he is definitely coming back to the board. He says family issues (he's going to be a father, for one) and work have kept him busy.
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Post by Snookeroo on Apr 16, 2012 23:35:31 GMT -5
And fyi, BATB sent me a note today he is definitely coming back to the board. He says family issues (he's going to be a father, for one) and work have kept him busy. Cool. Thanks for letting us know.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 8, 2012 16:24:09 GMT -5
Ok. I am "down here" making my post about early Beatles history in the not Beatles section as requested.
I am not "ducking" anything.
So, name one question about the early Beatles history (pre-Ringo) that I have failed to answer.
Name one fact that I have said about early Beatles history that was wrong.
I want sources.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 8, 2012 17:07:21 GMT -5
Ok. I am "down here" making my post about early Beatles history in the not Beatles section as requested. I am not "ducking" anything. So, name one question about the early Beatles history (pre-Ringo) that I have failed to answer. Name one fact that I have said about early Beatles history that was wrong. I want sources. My questions to you are down here in the other Pete Best thread. They have been there for months, and you well know it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 8, 2012 17:11:37 GMT -5
I reckon it was Joe in disguise and he was having fun picking a fight with himself. ;D An interesting theory ;D The thing is though that he has RTP to fight with. He has no free time to pick a fight with anyone else, including himself. Proving that Paul Macca is not God is hard work What are you trying to do, Snookie... pick a fight with me? Sorry you don't like my honesty and candid nature and instead try to turn it into "picking fights". You ought to look at yourself in the mirror some time, fire starter.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 8, 2012 17:25:53 GMT -5
Ok. I am "down here" making my post about early Beatles history in the not Beatles section as requested. I am not "ducking" anything. So, name one question about the early Beatles history (pre-Ringo) that I have failed to answer. Name one fact that I have said about early Beatles history that was wrong. I want sources. My questions to you are down here in the other Pete Best thread. They have been there for months, and you well know it. Joe, I have answered ALL of your questions on many different threads(some questions have been answered many several times) and you know it. If you have something I haven't answered name it. You can cut & paste it your questions to save time. I am not going to go through the dozens of demands you've made to my many posts fishing around to see if there is something I haven't answered. You know I have answered everything. That's why you won't name anything and instaed keep ducking the truth. If I haven't answered something, name it. My question to you is when are YOU going going to start providing proof to back up YOUR wild claims? You keep challenging me for more and more proof without providing any of your own. I am waiting on this thread and numerous other threads for YOUR proof. (***sound of crickets***) GIMME SOME TRUTH!!!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 8, 2012 17:32:01 GMT -5
Joe, I have answered ALL of your questions (many several times) and you know it. If you have something I haven't answered name it. You c an cut & paste it to save time. I am not going to go through the dozens of responses you've made to my posts fishing around to see if there is something I haven't answered. You know I have answered everything. That's why you won't name anything and instaed keep ducking the truth. I carefully wrote a list of questions to you, challenging things you were saying... and numbered them individually ... MONTHS AGO. I copy/pasted that same list in every thread you popped in, and you constantly ducked them. I posted them up top months ago when you refused to come below, and I repeated them down here in the Pete Best thread. I have copy/pasted them a dozen times. You promised to answer them all in a week.... you never did. Search in the Pete Best In The Beatles Universe thread down here (whatever it was called) and you'll find them.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 8, 2012 17:53:14 GMT -5
Joe, I have answered ALL of your questions (many several times) and you know it. If you have something I haven't answered name it. You c an cut & paste it to save time. I am not going to go through the dozens of responses you've made to my posts fishing around to see if there is something I haven't answered. You know I have answered everything. That's why you won't name anything and instaed keep ducking the truth. I carefully wrote a list of questions to you, challenging things you were saying... and numbered them individually ... MONTHS AGO. I copy/pasted that same list in every thread you popped in, and you constantly ducked them. I posted them up top months ago when you refused to come below, and I repeated them down here in the Pete Best thread. I have copy/pasted them a dozen times. You promised to answer them all in a week.... you never did. Search in the Pete Best In The Beatles Universe thread down here (whatever it was called) and you'll find them. Again you ducked the Howie Casey bum band comment and changed the subject to something else from three months ago. So, I take it that you no longer want to debate the fact that the Beatles were being called a "bum band" before Best joined. GIMME SOME TRUTH!!!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 8, 2012 18:00:20 GMT -5
So, I take it that you no longer want to debate the fact that the Beatles were being called a "bum band" before Best joined. I'll accept they were called that. That's not even the point. I have asked you "now what...?" What does that prove? That Pete Best was God and saved The Beatles? No, I asked you to honor your promise to respond to those questions from three months ago right since your very first new post here today. And I have been asking you several times now. (Indeed, I asked you three months ago over and over and over and over). Are you having fun playing games like this?
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 8, 2012 19:47:36 GMT -5
So, I take it that you no longer want to debate the fact that the Beatles were being called a "bum band" before Best joined. I'll accept they were called that. That's not even the point. I have asked you "now what...?" What does that prove? That Pete Best was God and saved The Beatles? No, I asked you to honor your promise to respond to those questions from three months ago right since your very first new post here today. And I have been asking you several times now. (Indeed, I asked you three months ago over and over and over and over). Are you having fun playing games like this? JOE, I HAVE ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. ALL OF THEM. MOST MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, OTHERS AGAIN TODAY. I EVEN MADE A SPECIAL THREAD WITH ALL OF THE ANSWERS IN ONE PLACE, IN THE PETE BEST SECTION AS YOU DEMANDED, JUST FOR YOU. abbeyrd.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=petestu&action=display&thread=3766STOP SAYING I HAVEN'T ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE. I'VE ANSWERED ALL OF THEM, MANY SEVERAL TIMES AND AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, I SPEND MORE TIME ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS THAN EVERYBODY ELSES COMBINED. If you have a question that you honestly think hasn't been answered, ask it right now. You won't because you can't. They have all been answeed and your misstatements of facts have been refuted by me with links to real credible sources. When am I going to get some proof backing all of your wild statements that I have to keep correcting (like Norman Chapman played with The Beatles for 3 months)? GIMME SOME TRUTH!!!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 8, 2012 20:40:24 GMT -5
If you have a question that you honestly think hasn't been answered, ask it right now. You won't because you can't. They have all been answeed and your misstatements of facts have been refuted by me with links to real credible sources. When am I going to get some proof backing all of your wild statements that I have to keep correcting (like Norman Chapman played with The Beatles for 3 months)? I don't think you've answered all the questions, and I feel you've been dancing around them, twisting things, and believing certain statements as "truth" when they suit you .... but calling others "misstatements" when they do not work for you. Calling Allan Williams and George Harrison "liars" when you don't like their accounts, but calling them "thruthful" when you like their answers. I read that Norman Chapman played with The Beatles for approximately three months. If that source was wrong, it was wrong -- but maybe your source was wrong. Other than this, I don't know what in the world you're talking about when you accuse me of "misstatements". Here are my final thoughts on this fiasco:I maintain that I think Pete Best, from what I can gather, seems like a nice guy overall who got some bad luck. I felt sorry for him the way he was let go in 1962. To my ears he does not sound like a very good drummer, and I much prefer Ringo's drumming. There is absolutely no way to ever gauge what would have become of The Beatles if Pete was not fired. All we DO know is what happened when they dismissed him -- that along with Ringo Starr, the Beatles went on to be worldwide phenomenons and made musical history. That is all we are sure of. We don't know what would have occurred with Pete into 1963 and 1964. If you like the word "phenomenon" to describe the early pre-Ringo Beatles.... okay. I certainly understand they were incredibly popular in Liverpool and Hamburg... though not that popular because Brian Epstein worked at the NEMS record store and did not even realize that The Beatles were regular performers right in town at the Cavern. Furthermore, many English fans thought The Beatles were GERMAN and were billed "live from Hamburg". People were surprised and would say to them: "You speak good English". That's not too much of a phenomenon IMO. There's really nothing else I can add. I think that Pete Best was a nice guy who got a tough break. But history shows that Ringo Starr was the right choice in every way, so in summary I feel the best contribution Pete ever made to The Beatles was getting sacked.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 8, 2012 21:09:19 GMT -5
I said Allan Williams quotes need to be corroborated. I corroborated all of the quotes I have used from Allan Williams. I am basically saying the same in regards to John, Paul, George & Ringo when thay are commenting on Pete. I have sighted second sources on any quotes I have used from them as well, so I have been consistant.
As for the phenomenon quote, I mearly commented one day that The Beatles were being called a phenomenon before Ringo joined. You kept insisting I was wrong. Even when I presented you with proof that I was right, you still kept insisting my sources (the 1961 Mersey Beat and the Beatles own authorized bio) don't count and I was wrong.
Once I showed evidence that what I was saying was true, you could have acknowleged I was correct about this a long time ago and saved us both a lot of time.
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