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Post by Panther on Apr 19, 2012 10:30:34 GMT -5
The One-to-One concert is on YouTube if anyone wants...
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 19, 2012 13:54:34 GMT -5
Thanks I will try to catch this tonight.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Apr 19, 2012 19:26:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the link and the tip, panther!
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Post by Panther on Apr 20, 2012 23:52:13 GMT -5
I enjoy 'Well, Well, Well' at this performance. 'Come Together' is good, too. The rest, not so much! It has to be said that the Elephant's Memory sax-player is pretty darn good (albeit overused), but the rest of that band couldn't swing from a rope.
What is the 2nd song Yoko and John sing together? It's not bad...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 21, 2012 6:40:00 GMT -5
As a John Fan I am always embarrassed by this concert, for the most part. Most of it just comes across as so amateurish and rusty. The highlights for me are COME TOGETHER, WELL WELL WELL, and COLD TURKEY. I like Yoko's two songs in general (SISTERS O SISTERS and BORN IN A PRISON), but SISTERS is not done well here, and PRISON starts off fine but gets embarrassing at the end when Yoko wails and carries on.
But since we lost John too soon, this concert will have to suffice.
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Post by Panther on Apr 21, 2012 9:00:44 GMT -5
Yeah, if they had just played 4 or 5 more shows (ideally prior to this one) and got themselves tighter and warmed up, they would have been great.
John's fragile ego combined with his general laziness seemed to put paid to any chance of him getting a live band really going.
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Post by ursamajor on Apr 21, 2012 10:08:30 GMT -5
Not to mention coming off the back of a not so good album.
Definitely had potential to evolve into something great but a one-off can be a risk if they're not prepared.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 21, 2012 10:57:07 GMT -5
I do want to add that I think this is the matinee performance as I watched the first two songs before going to bed last night. This is the commercially released video from 1986 I believe.
The evening concert was very powerful and John was on the money in my opinion. That was shown in large part on the ABC television special shown back in 1972 or 1973.
I think John would have always been somewhat ragged live no matter how hard he rehearsed because the man couldn't remember lyrics to save his life. Still, he had that charisma that commanded attention on those rare times he was on stage. Whether Rock And Roll Circus, Rooftop, Toronto or One To One, I am mesmerized by John on stage even when he messes up words or doesn't play guitar like an Eric Clapton or an Eddie Van Halen. The guy makes a noise and exudes a vibe I really love.
I am mesmerized by Paul on stage too because he is the ultimate Pro and is charismatic in his personality that is different from John's. That's why they were special together in my opinion.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 21, 2012 11:14:44 GMT -5
I do want to add that I think this is the matinee performance as I watched the first two songs before going to bed last night. This is the commercially released video from 1986 I believe. The evening concert was very powerful and John was on the money in my opinion. That was shown in large part on the ABC television special shown back in 1972 or 1973. We've talked about this before, but the video was an edit of different performances. You can tell if you watch John's microphone... it changes back and forth from having a filter on it to not having a filter on it. HOWEVER, could it be that the AUDIO is all from the same matinee performance...?
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Post by mikev on Apr 21, 2012 14:45:44 GMT -5
I do want to add that I think this is the matinee performance as I watched the first two songs before going to bed last night. This is the commercially released video from 1986 I believe. The evening concert was very powerful and John was on the money in my opinion. That was shown in large part on the ABC television special shown back in 1972 or 1973. We've talked about this before, but the video was an edit of different performances. You can tell if you watch John's microphone... it changes back and forth from having a filter on it to not having a filter on it. HOWEVER, could it be that the AUDIO is all from the same matinee performance...? I'm pretty certain ALL of the audio is from the matinee. Onyl three cuts made Anthology and the wonderful evening Imagine can only be found in Wolfgang's Vault. The PM show WAS the concert. The other was a rehearsal; opened up to the audience due to a quick sell-out, plus it raised more money. John is heard several times referring to the perfomance as "the rehearsal".
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 21, 2012 14:53:44 GMT -5
The PM show WAS the concert. The other was a rehearsal; opened up to the audience due to a quick sell-out, plus it raised more money. John is heard several times referring to the perfomance as "the rehearsal". One thing I'm not clear about. There are delightful radio outtakes featuring John and Yoko with Geraldo Rivera, announcing the matinee, and telling that tickets are available at Ticketron outlets. It goes something like this: JOHN: Hi, this is John... YOKO: ... this is Yoko... JOHN: We're here to announce that the evening performance concert for the children of Willowbrook has been sold out! It surprised me, too. So we're announcing a special matinee performance which will also be on Wednesday, the 30th of August, that's the same day. Tickets are on sale right now at Madison Square Garden, and at all Ticketron outlets.
So does this mean it was intended as a separate concert all along? Or did they just sell tickets to the rehearsal?
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Post by mikev on Apr 21, 2012 17:46:25 GMT -5
The PM show WAS the concert. The other was a rehearsal; opened up to the audience due to a quick sell-out, plus it raised more money. John is heard several times referring to the perfomance as "the rehearsal". One thing I'm not clear about. There are delightful radio outtakes featuring John and Yoko with Geraldo Rivera, announcing the matinee, and telling that tickets are available at Ticketron outlets. It goes something like this: JOHN: Hi, this is John... YOKO: ... this is Yoko... JOHN: We're here to announce that the evening performance concert for the children of Willowbrook has been sold out! It surprised me, too. So we're announcing a special matinee performance which will also be on Wednesday, the 30th of August, that's the same day. Tickets are on sale right now at Madison Square Garden, and at all Ticketron outlets.
So does this mean it was intended as a separate concert all along? Or did they just sell tickets to the rehearsal? Both. They just turned the rehearsal into a full concert, though it seems obvious to me this show was much looser. I'm guessing Yoko had some problems with either ABC, King Biscuit or both and opted for the afternoon show for release. Anthology does have some of the PM cuts, especially the "stop the war" version of Come Together. and strangely- the PM show is nowhere to be found on youtube, except for some of the grainy GPAC stuff I linked a few months back.
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Post by mikev on Apr 21, 2012 17:49:59 GMT -5
this was also the era where Paul and John were foolsihly ignoring their Beatle roots.
John could have given Revolution a shot. Might have sounded cooler with a sax.
At least we have the quasi-live video.
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Post by Panther on Apr 21, 2012 23:58:19 GMT -5
this was also the era where Paul and John were foolsihly ignoring their Beatle roots. Well, I disagree there. I think it was the right thing to do to not play Beatles' songs in the early to mid-70s. Everyone knows newly solo Beatles are going to be overwhelmed by their legacies -- the only way to deal with that is to to try to make your career rest on the new material. By summer 1972, John had more than enough great tracks to play an amazing live set. I also think it wasn't so much whether they were "Beatles" songs or not, it was more whether they were songs that suited John's mind-set at the time. For example, John had wanted "Cold Turkey" to be a Beatles song but Paul and George didn't like it, so he issued it as a solo track and he played it at One-to-One. Likewise, he did play "Come Together". Had John lived into the 1990s or so, I think he would have embraced his early Beatle songs again and started re-performing them. However, we'll never know!
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Post by mikev on Apr 22, 2012 7:02:42 GMT -5
this was also the era where Paul and John were foolsihly ignoring their Beatle roots. Well, I disagree there. I think it was the right thing to do to not play Beatles' songs in the early to mid-70s. Everyone knows newly solo Beatles are going to be overwhelmed by their legacies -- the only way to deal with that is to to try to make your career rest on the new material. By summer 1972, John had more than enough great tracks to play an amazing live set. I also think it wasn't so much whether they were "Beatles" songs or not, it was more whether they were songs that suited John's mind-set at the time. For example, John had wanted "Cold Turkey" to be a Beatles song but Paul and George didn't like it, so he issued it as a solo track and he played it at One-to-One. Likewise, he did play "Come Together". Had John lived into the 1990s or so, I think he would have embraced his early Beatle songs again and started re-performing them. However, we'll never know! But see- that is my point about the word foolish-Revolution was a powerful song and IMO would have worked with or without Beatle backing. Beatle purists would have been pissed at a sax solo. I think it might have given it its own sound. I meant foolish to ignore the material NOT the Beatle legacy attached. Yes John had every intention later of revisiting Beatle stuff. As for the early tour of Wings, Paul was reaching for material. His chosen oldies to throw in incled Lucille, well suited for him, but he could have snuck I Saw Her Standing There or Get Back in, as he came out trying to sound rock-n-roll. Maybe not Hey Jude at that point.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 22, 2012 7:37:14 GMT -5
But see- that is my point about the word foolish-Revolution was a powerful song and IMO would have worked with or without Beatle backing. Beatle purists would have been pissed at a sax solo. I think it might have given it its own sound. REVOLUTION would have been a good choice, but I think COME TOGETHER was just as strong, and worked. As much as I don't much care for the concert overall -- and as much as I always say it's time to leave The Beatles aside and get on with the solo careers -- I must say that John doing COME TOGETHER never ceases to excite me like a little Beatles fanboy. It's the highlight of the show for me!
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 22, 2012 9:19:14 GMT -5
Doesn't John call Come Together an oldie but goodie, or something to that affect. It was only three years old and John seem to think it was a lifetime ago.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 22, 2012 10:44:44 GMT -5
Doesn't John call Come Together an oldie but goodie, or something to that affect. It was only three years old and John seem to think it was a lifetime ago. I knows he says, "We'll go back into the past just once..." John was of that Era where a hit song was yesterday's news because in the 1960's the hits were coming fast and furious. He had a quote in 1965 where "She Loves You" and Eight Days A Week" embarrased him already as being old! But you are right, I always smile when I hear John act like "Come Together," released less than three full years from that concert, is some oldies! What is it now!
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Apr 24, 2012 18:58:19 GMT -5
Doesn't John call Come Together an oldie but goodie, or something to that affect. It was only three years old and John seem to think it was a lifetime ago. Didn't John call one of the 1964 songs an "oldie" in their 1965 concerts? Maybe at the Hollywood Bowl?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 24, 2012 19:07:02 GMT -5
Doesn't John call Come Together an oldie but goodie, or something to that affect. It was only three years old and John seem to think it was a lifetime ago. Didn't John call one of the 1964 songs an "oldie" in their 1965 concerts? Maybe at the Hollywood Bowl? Haven't listened to the concert in years, but isn't it SHE LOVES YOU, from the '65 show? I think he jokingly refers to it as "an oldie that some of you older people might remember."
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 24, 2012 19:11:22 GMT -5
By the way, I've always wondered why the '72 concert was never issued on DVD by Yoko? She seems to release so many things, I'm surprised, and this was issued on VHS. I'm wondering if she has second thoughts about herself in the film?
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Apr 24, 2012 19:14:39 GMT -5
By the way, I've always wondered why the '72 concert was never issued on DVD by Yoko? She seems to release so many things, I'm surprised, and this was issued on VHS. I'm wondering if she has second thoughts about herself in the film? What she did to Hound Dog was unforgivable.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 24, 2012 19:21:20 GMT -5
What she did to Hound Dog was unforgivable. Yeah, I'm with you. For that matter, I wasn't wild about what John did to HOUND DOG!
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