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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 24, 2012 6:47:26 GMT -5
If you don't know this song, play it here!
Comment and/or Rate this Solo Song
4=Great 3=Good 2=Average 1=Crap
"Blindman" - Ringo Starr, B-Side (1972)
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 24, 2012 6:48:44 GMT -5
2.5 -- I hesitate calling this "good", but I do think it's better than average. It's an interesting song for Ringo, from the movie of the same name (a spaghetti western which I have yet to see).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2012 6:50:23 GMT -5
Don't believe i know this song..certainly not by title only....
Here are the lyrics.............
Blindman, with your piece of paper, what you gonna do? Blindman, with your paper, can you see it through? Your name on that paper means so much to you, You made a promise, you would get them through. The girls to the miners, you would fix them too. They've been taken, You've lost them all and the money too. They've been taken, You've lost them all and the money too.
Come on, blue, what you gonna do now? Come on, blue, what you gonna do now?
Mexico, you've got to go, you know it just ain't fair- To get your women back, now hurry because they're all there. You're all alone but you'll make it alright, You'll find your women there But to get them, you'll have to fight.
Come on, blue, what you gonna do now? Come on, blue, what you gonna do now?
Come on, blue, what you gonna do now? Come on, blue, what you gonna do now?
Come on, blue, what you gonna do now?
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Post by mikev on Apr 24, 2012 7:31:07 GMT -5
3- this is a really cool B-side.
One of my solo B side favorites as was Down and Out and Miss O'Dell.
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Post by coachbk on Apr 24, 2012 8:50:40 GMT -5
I agree with JoeK. This is a 2.5. It has a unique sound. I really enjoyed how it started. Didn't develop enough from there to merit a "3" rating though. Ringo had some interesting B-sides!
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Apr 24, 2012 11:21:35 GMT -5
2.5 I always liked this one. Ringo does a good job on this one.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 24, 2012 13:27:55 GMT -5
4. This is the third best, maybe second best, solo Ringo song ever!
Ringo is a badass in this. Certainly a much cooler image than Ringo the happy-go-lucky doofus singing about 16 year olds!
The sound effects sound like "Glass Onion" This song got wasted on a crappy movie. This would be so badass in Pulp Fiction or No Country for Old Men!
I would rank this in top 10 of all ex-Beatle solo songs. Badass I say, just badass!
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Post by kc on Apr 24, 2012 21:20:37 GMT -5
I hadn't bothered to listen to it before; nor have I seen the movie. Unusual. Seems suited to its use in a spaghetti western soundtrack. Only 2 (average) though.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 25, 2012 23:02:03 GMT -5
I forgot that I kind of liked this song. Oh, and let me see. I think I have some Ringo points I haven't used. He is listed as sole writer on this.
I would have skipped some of the sound effects in this. I think there's a cartoon or something playing in the background (or a Three Stooges film).
(Let's see, add the 4, carry the 3.) I give this a 2.5. I like it. There's something that pulls me in. But it don't quite make it.
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Post by theman on Apr 29, 2012 14:57:40 GMT -5
A pretty obscure Ringo track. Scarier and moodier than Mr. Starkey has ever been. I want him to re-record this for the "Ringo Retreads" album I'm hoping he does next.
2.5
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 29, 2012 16:37:40 GMT -5
A pretty obscure Ringo track. Scarier and moodier than Mr. Starkey has ever been. I want him to re-record this for the "Ringo Retreads" album I'm hoping he does next. 2.5 I love that darker feel. Why does Ringo promote his happy-go-lucky, "peace and love" persona when he apparently is a real bastard when he comes across fans in the real world? I wish he always had that hard edge then his music would probably be better.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 29, 2012 18:24:10 GMT -5
A pretty obscure Ringo track. Scarier and moodier than Mr. Starkey has ever been. I want him to re-record this for the "Ringo Retreads" album I'm hoping he does next. 2.5 I love that darker feel. Why does Ringo promote his happy-go-lucky, "peace and love" persona when he apparently is a real bastard when he comes across fans in the real world? I wish he always had that hard edge then his music would probably be better. He tours a lot more than many do. That certainly doesn't make him a bastard. As for the signings, it's because of the eBay hawks. What if it was you?
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 29, 2012 19:46:13 GMT -5
I love that darker feel. Why does Ringo promote his happy-go-lucky, "peace and love" persona when he apparently is a real bastard when he comes across fans in the real world? I wish he always had that hard edge then his music would probably be better. He tours a lot more than many do. That certainly doesn't make him a bastard. As for the signings, it's because of the eBay hawks. What if it was you? I would sign everything for everyone and laugh all the way to the bank because it is us the fans who allow Ringo to live a lifestyle beyond all but a few on this planet. I don't buy his bad attitude about autographs and chance encounters with fans. We are not his enemy. Everything I've read is that Ringo is a jerk to fans he comes across other than maybe at book signings which he is getting paid for. Inexcusable. Sure he tours but we must pay to see it. If I would bump into him in an elevator, why would an autograph request by me be so unreasonable? Ringo doesn't owe me money, a car, or a house but I sure have spent enough money on him so if I see him and say "Hello" or have the nerve to ask for an autograph, I wouldn't deserve to be verbally mistreated. So you want my autograph JSD!? You should have bought the super deluxe Ringo Rama so take that, dawg!!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 30, 2012 5:50:31 GMT -5
He tours a lot more than many do. That certainly doesn't make him a bastard. As for the signings, it's because of the eBay hawks. What if it was you? I would sign everything for everyone and laugh all the way to the bank because it is us the fans who allow Ringo to live a lifestyle beyond all but a few on this planet. I don't buy his bad attitude about autographs and chance encounters with fans. We are not his enemy. Everything I've read is that Ringo is a jerk to fans he comes across other than maybe at book signings which he is getting paid for. Inexcusable. Sure he tours but we must pay to see it. If I would bump into him in an elevator, why would an autograph request by me be so unreasonable? Ringo doesn't owe me money, a car, or a house but I sure have spent enough money on him so if I see him and say "Hello" or have the nerve to ask for an autograph, I wouldn't deserve to be verbally mistreated. So you want my autograph JSD!? You should have bought the super deluxe Ringo Rama so take that, dawg!!In general I'm with you regarding Ringo's despicable attitude toward autographs these days. I have no tolerance for celebs who are afraid of "Ebay hawks"... so what if SOME of your autographs go on sale on Ebay? By not accomodating anyone at all you are also hurting the good and loyal fans who only want the autograph for themselves and are not dealers. And as i always say, even if SOME of the autographs get sold, in the long run those will be bought by some fans somewhere in the world, and they will go into appreciative hands. So what if a dealer makes some side cash off Ringo .... doesn't he have enough of his own to live the rest of his years quite contently? However, I am not so sure Ringo's reluctance to sign these days is all about "Ebay hawks". I just think he has had enough. And to give him a tiny bit of understanding, Ringo has been signing autographs for something like 50 years already. And I am sure there have been "chance encounters" with Ringo where he did sign for fans over his career on the whole. (However, 50 years or not, Ringo should realize that there are always new young fans too who would like to meet him). Ringo also has it in his mind that his friend John Lennon was killed when he went to sign an autograph. Ringo was on a TV show discussing John's death and he said (mistakenly): "He went to give an autograph and the bugger shot him". Ringo says this with a tone as if to suggest ' here John was being a nice guy and signing for this person and the ungrateful bastard killed him for it'. It's actually surprising that Ringo continued to sign at all after 1980 when we hear his (misinformed) interpretation of these events.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 30, 2012 10:23:08 GMT -5
If his reason is security then I have no beef. I just thought that it was the E-Bay thing like Steve mentioned and also just not being nice to fans. Hey, remember the 1976 "coming of age with the Beatles" book Growing Up With The Beatles by Ron Schaumburg? Look at what Ron was forced to change in his book by his publishers: "About the only significant change they made - and it's one I came to agree with - was the "tone" of my meeting with Ringo. To be honest, he didn't seem exactly overjoyed at having to deal with another fan. But the publisher wanted this to come across as a happier event, a climax to the book in a way, so the editors suggested how to change just a few words so that I could report the encounter accurately, but still keep it on a positive note." fowlerjones.blogspot.com/2004/08/q-with-ron-schaumburg.htmlHis encounter with Ringo took place years before 1980 and was at a public event where Ringo was plugging his latest film. It was clearly not an "off limits" thing for autographs like in a restaurant or Ringo with his children. Ron S. had to edit the encounter!! All to help make a happy ending that he finally met a Beatle! I've always written here that I don't want to bump into Paul or Ringo because I don't want 37 years of Beatles dreams shattered by being told to "Sod off!" or worse by one of my heroes for a polite autograph request or even a "Love Wild Life, Paul!" or "Love Time Takes Time, Ringo!" ;D And I am very tactful at getting autographs as told to me by MLB Hall of Famer Ernie "Mr. Cub" Banks when I politely approached him outside a restaurant in San Diego, California the day before the 1978 All Star Game! I waited outside until after Ernie had eaten lunch and it was "Mr. Banks." He was so gracious and complimented my manners and approach! Anyway, I will be happy knowng I ran to within 20 feet or less of Paul McCartney as he triumphantly waved to the crowd after his February 15, 1990 concert in Indy! Sure, I didn't meet him but I was very close and he was still in 1990 the younger looking Macca we all remember and he was just smiling ear to ear so that was nice memory! I don't want to see Paul do what you saw Joe and that is Paul slam-dunking a glass gift on the pavement from his limo as just handed to him by a sincere fan! ;D I'd probably go sell my Macca albums.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 30, 2012 10:31:22 GMT -5
Hey, remember the 1976 "coming of age with the Beatles" book Growing Up With The Beatles by Ron Schaumburg? Look at what Ron was forced to change in his book by his publishers: "About the only significant change they made - and it's one I came to agree with - was the "tone" of my meeting with Ringo. To be honest, he didn't seem exactly overjoyed at having to deal with another fan. But the publisher wanted this to come across as a happier event, a climax to the book in a way, so the editors suggested how to change just a few words so that I could report the encounter accurately, but still keep it on a positive note." Ah, yes -- I remember that clearly. Even in the way the book was released I always felt the encounter came off with Ringo rather grumpy and annoyed about "having to sign another autograph". It was rough to hear Paul yell and get physical, believe me. But strangely, I went right ahead with my albums and remained a fan. Paul certainly has given fans some positive meeting memories too, I'm sure. Only I realized from my encounter that he can sometimes be a dick as well. The thing is, I was willing to take the chance. There were only 3 of us fans at the hotel that day, I thought it was a shoe-in. Imagine if it had turned out nicely....
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 30, 2012 10:45:33 GMT -5
The thing is, I was willing to take the chance. There were only 3 of us fans at the hotel that day, I thought it was a shoe-in. Imagine if it had turned out nicely.... That's the part of your anecdote that kills me. Three life-long fans who obviously adored Paul. Just three, not 10, not 50 and not 1,000. Three fans are manageable by any stretch of the imagination. Paul had security back then. Three polite people(I assume ). You're right, a positive encounter there with Paul would have created such "good vibrations" that would have had a long lasting ripple effect with you three rather than the negative vibes Paul created. Now in their 70's I would think Paul and Ringo would savor such adulation and expressions of love from us fans. Their days are growing shorter so why not savor such encounters with fans?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 30, 2012 10:57:56 GMT -5
The thing is, I was willing to take the chance. There were only 3 of us fans at the hotel that day, I thought it was a shoe-in. Imagine if it had turned out nicely.... That's the part of your anecdote that kills me. Three life-long fans who obviously adored Paul. Just three, not 10, not 50 and not 1,000. Three fans are manageable by any stretch of the imagination. Paul had security back then. Three polite people(I assume ). Yes, all polite. But just to refresh your memory, the female who got yelled at was a really longtime fan who had followed Paul around for decades. She showed us a photo album with her and Paul together in poses at various ages and times over the years in front of hotels and things, so she was really obsessed (but I mean, she was not at all "crazy" or "weird"... and attractive too, I thought). Paul knew this fan well by face, and when the limo pulled up he was specifically addressing HER when he went off: "You're not supposed to be here, honey!". But the girl persisted in (gently) saying she just wanted to give him a present, and she gave it to Linda McCartney. Paul reached over and seized it and tossed it out the window, re-empasizing: "I DON'T WANT IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE!!". He didn't address the other two of us there. But I just kind of thought he then looked at me through the window and asked: "Well?"... and I didn't know what he meant by that. I felt really bad about the whole thing and just turned away and said -- hopefully loud enough that Paul could hear - a disappointed and dejected "Wowwwwww....." As I always say afterward, I later learned about Linda's cancer. This incident with Paul had occurred in June 1995, the same year Linda was diagnosed. So for a time I was willing to understand why Paul was maybe so rattled, and his personal assistant did inform me "this is a personal visit". However, I recently learned that Linda was not diagnosed until 6 months later (December). And anyway, Linda - unlike Paul on this occasion - was very pleasant and accepted the gift with a "thank you", before her husband snatched it off her lap and threw it.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 30, 2012 15:51:08 GMT -5
I still find that story compelling. You three should have broken into a spontaneous but heartfelt(and in tune):
"Oh, oh, we believe that we can't be wrong, Oh, oh we believe that we can't be wrong, No, no, no[with JoeK the screaming the "Whaaaaa!" like Paul does on the recording]."
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 30, 2012 18:57:56 GMT -5
It sounds like the girl might have had a restraining warrant on her, "You're not supposed to be here".
The "well" look from Paul was him saying "So what? I'm being mean to her."
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 30, 2012 22:05:42 GMT -5
It sounds like the girl might have had a restraining warrant on her, "You're not supposed to be here". The "well" look from Paul was him saying "So what? I'm being mean to her." Careful there debjorgo, not all people with restraining orders against them are bad...just misunderstood. Right Pattie Boyd Harrison Clapton Damm?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 1, 2012 5:19:47 GMT -5
It sounds like the girl might have had a restraining warrant on her, "You're not supposed to be here". The "well" look from Paul was him saying "So what? I'm being mean to her." Careful there debjorgo, not all people with restraining orders against them are bad...just misunderstood. Right Pattie Boyd Harrison Clapton Damm? I talked with the girl and she did not have a restraining order on her. The hotel manager had asked us to wait across the street because Paul had told him that "I'd better not see any fans outside the hotel!". The manager was worried that Paul wouldn't stay at his hotel anymore and he didn't want him pissed off. In fact, this little runt of a manager told me as Paul's limo approached: "If you go near him I will physically stop you". We didn't pay the manager any mind because we figured he was just trying to get rid of us. It turned out though that Paul WAS in a foul mood and he HAD "demanded" that no fans were present. That's what Paul meant by "you're not supposed to be here". Like he owned the freakin' hotel or something and we were not supposed to be hanging around and 'bugging him' on this occasion. If anything, we're Americans, Paul -- not you... WE were supposed to be here; you were not. The "well?" from Paul may indeed have been like Paul saying "So what, I'm being mean to her?". That's a good description of the feeling. I was just standing there in shock staring at him.
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Post by acebackwords on May 1, 2012 13:31:12 GMT -5
Yes, all polite. But just to refresh your memory, the female who got yelled at was a really longtime fan who had followed Paul around for decades. She showed us a photo album with her and Paul together in poses at various ages and times over the years in front of hotels and things, so she was really obsessed (but I mean, she was not at all "crazy" or "weird"... and attractive too, I thought). Paul knew this fan well by face, and when the limo pulled up he was specifically addressing HER when he went off: "You're not supposed to be here, honey!". But the girl persisted . . . This person sounds more like a stalker than a fan. Can you blame any of the Beatles for being freaked out when approached by strangers? I strongly suspect that if any of the Beatles had the chance (in the right circumstances) to meet the intelligent, mature and respectful type of fans on this message board, they would be delighted and flattered by the attention. But how would THEY know. On the surface we don't look any different than the dangerous kind of "nutter Beatles fans" who made their lives hell. And geez, how much attention can one human being endure before their circuits are finally over-loaded. Even possitive attention.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 1, 2012 14:39:46 GMT -5
This person sounds more like a stalker than a fan. Can you blame any of the Beatles for being freaked out when approached by strangers? I strongly suspect that if any of the Beatles had the chance (in the right circumstances) to meet the intelligent, mature and respectful type of fans on this message board, they would be delighted and flattered by the attention. But how would THEY know. On the surface we don't look any different than the dangerous kind of "nutter Beatles fans" who made their lives hell. And geez, how much attention can one human being endure before their circuits are finally over-loaded. Even possitive attention. This girl was not at all a stranger to him though. She was something of a stalker but still harmless, and Paul already knew her well as a fan for a few decades. She showed us past pics of her and Paul together -- even some taken at this very same hotel years before - and in most of them, Paul was smiling quite nicely alongside her. I think his impression was more like: "Oh, no - you again?? Not today!!" The thing that I don't understand is, how many times does she need to meet Paul and take more photos of the two of them together?? You would think that once was plenty good enough. But I should mention that she always managed to know where Paul was going to be, and what flight he was on, and so forth. In fact, the reason I knew about this Paul visit was that she had told another girl who I knew, and this other girl invited me. Bottom line for me in any event is, Paul shouldn't have exploded like that. No matter what he was feeling, or how annoyed he was at seeing this same girl waiting for him yet again. On this particular occasion all she wanted to do was present him with a gift, not take photos or anything else. Paul was in a foul mood.. didn't think anyone should be waiting at his hotel this particular trip... so he blew up.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 1, 2012 14:54:05 GMT -5
And geez, how much attention can one human being endure before their circuits are finally over-loaded. Even possitive attention. I agree with you on the dangerous, stalker fans but as to Rock Stars bitching about even "positive attention" then I say get out of the business and paint houses or something because then you won't have any attention drawn on you. It burned me that Paul complained just recently about normal fans taking his picture on their cell phones when they see him out in public places. Yet he adores the red carpets with his new Hollywood friends and the exploding flashes of the press cameras as he walks in with his wife and some famous movie star. That's okay. But if I see him on a public sidewalk and without saying a word snap his photo for my own personal memory then I am the enemy! Except for dangerous fans, I am sick of celebrities crying about their fame. Give up the celebrity then. Look at Bob Dylan, he leads the most private life of any celebrity there is and he is still at the toppermost of the poppermost in terms of importance in our celebrity pecking order. Paul could lead a much more private life and still make albums and give concerts as Dylan successfully does but Paul loves the adulation too much. Paul once did lead a much more private life while still making #1 albums and singles and that was throughout the 70's, 80's and most of the 90's. It was during Linda's Era. So he has now created and perpetrated the very thing he complains about. It is his choice now to be "Hollywood Paul" so don't complain about it.....Macca!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 1, 2012 15:32:42 GMT -5
It burned me that Paul complained just recently about normal fans taking his picture on their cell phones when they see him out in public places. Yet he adores the red carpets with his new Hollywood friends and the exploding flashes of the press cameras as he walks in with his wife and some famous movie star. That's okay. But if I see him on a public sidewalk and without saying a word snap his photo for my own personal memory then I am the enemy! Over the years and through all these experiences I have learned that Paul is definitely a "not on my private time" type of guy. He doesn't mind it as much when it's "at a public event". Now of course everyone reading this is going to say "I don't blame paul"... but that's part of the price of fame, I'm sorry... and Paul should know better than anyone else that losing privacy when out is part of his billion-dollar deal. It comes with the territory. If he doesn't like it he can settle for making $50,000 a year and digging ditches as a nobody who will never be remembered. Paul (and other celebs) need to realize that it's a once-in-a-lifetime chance for most of his fans to come within a few feet of his presence. It's not like you can tell the fans: "not now, come back later". Would Paul like to schedule a more convenient time where he and I may meet? Of course not ... I had my one-time shot on that sunny June afternoon in '95, and that's all she wrote. (OK, actually I was close to Paul in '93 too, with so-so results and an autograph only obtained through his personal assistant bringing items inside for Paul, rather than Paul signing directly to us and giving us happy memories).
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Post by acebackwords on May 1, 2012 15:54:37 GMT -5
For my money you lucked out, Joe. I would much rather have caught Paul in a real moment where he's getting angry and acting like a real human being, rather than the plastic Paul with a polished smile and wave of good cheer for the fans.
I forget where I read this, I think it was Denny Laine's book, where he said that Paul would regularly be waving and smiling to his fans while secretly giving off a hand signal to his aides that said: "GET RID OF THESE GUYS!"
At any rate, it could always be worse. Consider the poor J.D. Salinger fans.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 1, 2012 16:07:45 GMT -5
For my money you lucked out, Joe. I would much rather have caught Paul in a real moment where he's getting angry and acting like a real human being, rather than the plastic Paul with a polished smile and wave of good cheer for the fans. Even though I sometimes criticize Paul for not appearing 'genuine' all the time, I don't think that should extend to meetings with his fans. Paul should tell it like he feels it when he is interviewed or at a press conference, or whatever. But when it comes to meetings with appreciative fans of his, then putting on a cordial demeanor, even if it's plastic, is not a bad thing. I give credit to any celebrity who appreciates his fans when seeing them, or at least puts on a "game face" for their sake so they don't get disappointed. PS -- Too bad this topic is getting so much discussion in a Ringo thread about the song BLINDMAN, of all places! This should have a thread all its own.
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Post by acebackwords on May 2, 2012 13:21:06 GMT -5
I'm curious what the woman's reaction was to Paul's outburst. Was she crestfallen, like: "Rejected by Paul!!" Or did she shrug it off, like: "Oh well, thats how Paul reacted the last 10 times I approached him."
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 2, 2012 13:27:11 GMT -5
I'm curious what the woman's reaction was to Paul's outburst. Was she crestfallen, like: "Rejected by Paul!!" Or did she shrug it off, like: "Oh well, thats how Paul reacted the last 10 times I approached him." I remember it well. It was more like the last part. She shrugged it off as just another day at the office. I don't know if she'd ever been rejected before that, but I was amazed recently when I was in a book store and I read a newer biography on Paul that mentions her by name...! Apparently this girl provided some information for the book and there is a story of Paul snapping at this same girl and her friend(s) in Manhattan at the same hotel, but I think it's from a LATER date. I stood in the bookstore browsing through this book and it sounded familiar but the year was wrong and the circumstances weren't quite the same. So I don't know if she had another bad encounter later or if this was the same one misconstrued a bit. I'd have to look up the book to be sure... maybe some of you have it. It's Paul on the cover looking very old and worn, by an author named Soundes, I think it was...
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