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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 8, 2012 7:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 8, 2012 7:15:40 GMT -5
1 -- So far the only "1" rating I've given was for one other George song. This cover is just a dreadful, agonizing, sluggish bastardization of the classic original. It really makes John's SWEET LITTLE SIXTEEN look like quite a gem. I'd easily call this one of the worst Beatles/solo recordings ever.
If I'd never heard the original version before, who knows? Maybe I'd give it 1.5 ... but it's a droning bore regardless.
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Post by mikev on May 8, 2012 7:25:33 GMT -5
1 - this is pure rubbish. This was George's "Just Because- Lennon outtake". You know the one where John was drunk off his arse.
Now if you ask me to rate George's recent release of another Everly Brother's classic: Let it Be Me- I'd give it a 4.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 7:31:33 GMT -5
here are the lyrics..
Bye bye love Bye bye happiness Hello loneliness I think I'm gonna cry
Bye bye love Bye bye sweet caress Hello emptiness I know I'm gonna die Goodbye my love bye bye
There goes our lady With a "you know who" I hope she's happy And "old 'Clapper' too" We had good rhythm (and a little slide) Then she stepped in Did me a favour I threw them both out.
(MMM) goodbye happiness Hello loneliness I think I'm gonna cry Bye bye my love bye bye (MMM) bye bye love (MMM) It's gonna be a raining out of doors (MMMM) hello happiness (MMM) Goodbye my love goodbye
Now I'm into romance I shy away from love Got tired of ladies (ooh ooh) That plot and shove me And that's the reason We all can (see) so clearly They see that our lady Is out on a 'spree'
Bye bye love Bye bye happiness Hello loneliness Think I'm gonna cry
Bye bye love Bye bye happiness Hello emptiness
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 7:34:18 GMT -5
Interesting vocal...he sure did this different to the Everly's...
Who provided the bass lines.....how groovy are they...
I'm giving it a 3..
I just hope it wasn't sped up....
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 8, 2012 7:41:16 GMT -5
Interesting vocal...he sure did this different to the Everly's... He sure did. It's hideous!
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Post by coachbk on May 8, 2012 8:47:23 GMT -5
1 In a thread from the past we were asked to pick the worst track from each solo Beatle. This was my choice for George. Even if one views it as a joke (with George's wife leaving him) it isn't a particularly funny one.
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Post by ursamajor on May 8, 2012 9:04:37 GMT -5
I will give this a 2.0
I actually like the lyrics and I don't think it's as bad as people make out. George's raspy singing style add that sense of depression/frustration at being left for his best friend.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 8, 2012 9:24:33 GMT -5
4 and I'll tell you why.
George did this as a joke, to kind of slam Eric and Patti while still seeming to be above the fray.
Yet this joke absolutely betrays a man who was genuinely hurting and coming as close as he ever did to abandoning his faith which, as we know, meant everything to George and defined him.
Thus I absolutely suffer along with George on this and I find it terribly(in the literal sense) poignant. It breaks my heart and isn't great music supposed to cause great emotion, happy or sad, in the listener?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 8, 2012 9:29:55 GMT -5
4 and I'll tell you why. George did this as a joke, to kind of slam Eric and Patti while still seeming to be above the fray. Yet this joke absolutely betrays a man who was genuinely hurting and coming as close as he ever did to abandoning his faith which, as we know, meant everything to George and defined him. Thus I absolutely suffer along with George on this and I find it terribly(in the literal sense) poignant. It breaks my heart and isn't great music supposed to cause great emotion, happy or sad, in the listener? I will admit this is quite an interesting take on this recording, JSD. However, now I know I can't take your critique of John's SWEET LITTLE SIXTEEN too seriously. ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on May 8, 2012 9:39:51 GMT -5
4 and I'll tell you why. George did this as a joke, to kind of slam Eric and Patti while still seeming to be above the fray. Yet this joke absolutely betrays a man who was genuinely hurting and coming as close as he ever did to abandoning his faith which, as we know, meant everything to George and defined him. Thus I absolutely suffer along with George on this and I find it terribly(in the literal sense) poignant. It breaks my heart and isn't great music supposed to cause great emotion, happy or sad, in the listener? I will admit this is quite an interesting take on this recording, JSD. However, now I know I can't take your critique of John's SWEET LITTLE SIXTEEN too seriously. ;D Why, Joe? I am absolutely sincere in my sentiments on both songs. And they are just my opinions so I didn't think there could be a right or wrong answer. George's take on BBL was meant to be a joke, a pointed one no doubt, but it backfires on George and shows a guy as blue as the Everly Brothers meant it to be. John took a great, stomping, clever Chuck Berry song and without any emotional motive just made it suck. I just think it was the drink and cocaine that made John ruin a classic. George had at least an emotional reason to give an unorthodox reading of another classic.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 8, 2012 9:51:03 GMT -5
Why, Joe? I am absolutely sincere in my sentiments on both songs. And they are just my opinions so I didn't think there could be a right or wrong answer. Of course there is no "right and wrong" in opinions. (Don't try to go there). But I can joke about things and tweak just like you or others do .... can't I? Much bluer -- almost dead. In My OpinionLove how you add "without any emotional motive" to justify George's sucky and terrible bastardization of the Everlys' song. (I do think John's SIXTEEN was plenty emotional and raucous in its vocal.) At least with your logic we can understand John's reasons. But there is no drunken behavior to excuse George's shitty cover. (And I don't think the Chuck Berry classic was "ruined"... I think it's an alternate approach and I enjoy both for different reasons.)
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 8, 2012 9:59:37 GMT -5
1. Joke or not its unpleasant.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 8, 2012 11:01:50 GMT -5
Of course there is no "right and wrong" in opinions. (Don't try to go there). But I can joke about things and tweak just like you or others do .... can't I? Sure you can and I am relieved because my only concern was that you didn't think I was sincere on "Bye Bye Love," that I was voting just to be contrary. It is a sincerely held opinion and not one I had even a year ago when I would have given it a one. Simon Leng's book changed my views on many things about George even though Leng didn't like this song either! ;D That's funny! I meant John didn't slow down SLS because of his separation from Yoko or a deeply seeded personal reason. Maybe John sang with the joyous emotion of being sixteen again himself but I sure don't hear that! George thought that he was hurting Eric and Patti by covering this song but he was really pouring out his pain with an unorthodox arrangement for a pretty iconic song. Pain! And by the way, no one really believes Eric and Patti appear on this recording do they, despite George's liner notes to the contrary? Part of the joke that backfires. Eric and Patti were off doing it like two rabbits and were momentarily happy as two loons, they could have cared less! That would soon enough fade too. We need our Google masters here to find quotes, if any, from Chuck Berry to get his opinion on this cover! I will say that despite this song and maybe one other, I love the remixed R-n-R from the early to mid-2000's! I think John did rock very hard on the rest of the album. Once remixed, it jumps high on my list of fave solo albums and I compliment John Lennon. Hey, he was allowed to totally blow it on one song-this one- right? ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 8, 2012 11:11:59 GMT -5
Sure you can and I am relieved because my only concern was that you didn't think I was sincere on "Bye Bye Love," that I was voting just to be contrary. It is a sincerely held opinion and not one I had even a year ago when I would have given it a one. I just wonder if you voted "4" to make a point. I believe you're sincere in appreciating it but am surprised you went so high. How would the song sound any different to you there if he had? The horns you hate would still be there. While it might be interesting to hear Chuck's opinion of 16, it wouldn't change my liking it one way or another. I'd bet Berry was just thrilled that John covered it at all. I don't think John blew it with 16. I like it and look forward to it coming up when I hear the album. I would say DO YOU WANNA DANCE and YA YA are weaker covers. But now that I'm back into vinyl I prefer playing the ROOTS LP of this material anyway (with extra tracks).
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Post by vectisfabber on May 8, 2012 14:12:25 GMT -5
2
The best track (which isn't saying much) on a very sub-par album.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 8, 2012 14:29:16 GMT -5
2 The best track (which isn't saying much) on a very sub-par album. Now that is interesting to me because there are three maybe four songs on DH I think are even better so I'd give them 4.5 or 5! I think that's cool that BBL is vectis' favorite DH song!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 8, 2012 14:34:53 GMT -5
I think that's cool that BBL is vectis' favorite DH song! That tidbit is certainly.... amazing... But it does go to prove you never know!
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Post by kc on May 9, 2012 2:16:47 GMT -5
I voted 2. It's not completely redundant. His singing has a modest charm. There are a couple of tracks on this album I think less of.
Sorry to keep on harping about the same thing, but George would have done better to wait until 1975 for his next studio release. Combine the best from Dark Horse and Extra Texture and you have a much better offering IMO. His artistic and commercial reputation suffered in presenting the public with two weak albums in succession.
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Post by coachbk on May 9, 2012 7:08:27 GMT -5
[quote .
Sorry to keep on harping about the same thing, but George would have done better to wait until 1975 for his next studio release. Combine the best from Dark Horse and Extra Texture and you have a much better offering IMO. His artistic and commercial reputation suffered in presenting the public with two weak albums in succession. [/quote]
I agree. DARK HORSE especially is a very "slight" album as it has only 9 tracks including this awful cover. Several tracks are padded out to be longer, but not better. The latter is also true of some EXTRA TEXTURE songs.
I've thought offering these as a two-for-one would be a good CD.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 9, 2012 8:20:48 GMT -5
I voted 2. It's not completely redundant. His singing has a modest charm. There are a couple of tracks on this album I think less of. Sorry to keep on harping about the same thing, but George would have done better to wait until 1975 for his next studio release. Combine the best from Dark Horse and Extra Texture and you have a much better offering IMO. His artistic and commercial reputation suffered in presenting the public with two weak albums in succession. And George would have had his voice back! I know some find the hoarse voice charming but when I hear the song "Dark Horse" done live in Japan I realize I would love to have heard DH the album in George's normal singing voice. No arguments from me kc about combining the two but was there also some contractual posturing going on? George wanted away from EMI/Capitol so was trying to fulfill his contractual obligations?
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Post by kc on May 9, 2012 20:08:51 GMT -5
was there also some contractual posturing going on? George wanted away from EMI/Capitol so was trying to fulfill his contractual obligations? Yes, I think that was the case regarding Extra Texture. On the other hand, I understand Dark Horse was rushed so that George would have a new album out during his US tour. If it had not been released, but a hybrid issued in 1975, then he still would have owed the record company one more album. If he had also postponed the tour so as to recover his voice, then that final album might have been a good live set. I am very revisionist!
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Post by acebackwords on May 15, 2012 16:48:40 GMT -5
2. The farting sounds from the synthesizer doesn't help. But it has a weird, zany charm to it.
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Post by debjorgo on May 18, 2012 15:27:19 GMT -5
I think some of George's songs can be better apreciated when listened to together. Pulling songs out here and there doesn't work, for the songs around this period anyway.
But this hits me like a sloppy mess. Instruments, vocals, it all just sounds bad. This is a long way from Beatle music.
1.0.
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Post by debjorgo on May 18, 2012 15:37:02 GMT -5
We all "suffer along with George on this".
It's hideous! - Joe, for some reason I find that funny. I think it's a Seinfeld line.
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