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Post by sayne on Jun 22, 2008 18:31:44 GMT -5
Just saw the movie Backbeat again and noticed something that I didn't see the first time - don't know if it was discussed by our peeps before. At the end of the movie, some post-scripts appear explaining what became of the principals in the movie. One graphic attributed "I Want to Hold Your Hand" to McCartney/Lennon. Hmmmm. Anyone pick up on that?
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Post by JMG on Jun 22, 2008 19:40:54 GMT -5
Just saw the movie Backbeat again and noticed something that I didn't see the first time - don't know if it was discussed by our peeps before. At the end of the movie, some post-scripts appear explaining what became of the principals in the movie. One graphic attributed "I Want to Hold Your Hand" to McCartney/Lennon. Hmmmm. Anyone pick up on that? I enjoyed "Backbeat" very much, I thought it was a very interesting movie but I didn't notice the McCartney/Lennon thing in the end credits. Time to pop the DVD in to the machine once more, I was well overdue to watch this again anyway.
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Post by sayne on Jun 22, 2008 21:42:08 GMT -5
I enjoyed "Backbeat" very much, I thought it was a very interesting movie . . . I liked it a lot more this second time around. Also, I noticed that the actor who played Paul also played Paul in the made-for-tv movie "The Linda Mc Cartney Story."
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Post by ursamajor on Jun 23, 2008 4:09:30 GMT -5
The guy that plays Paul does it in abit of a pretentious way. To me it seems the guy plays Paul in a I'm too good looking for my own good kind of way.
Does anyone see that too ?
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Post by JMG on Jun 23, 2008 4:39:01 GMT -5
sayne, You are absolutely 100% correct. I watched "Backbeat" this past evening. At the very end of the movie they credit "I Want To Hold Your Hand" to McCartney/Lennon, not the way it should be...Lennon/McCartney. If only we had someone on this board (Steve) with the connections to the entertainment industry (Steve) to get to the bottom of this story (Steve).
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Post by JMG on Jun 23, 2008 4:51:57 GMT -5
The guy that plays Paul does it in abit of a pretentious way. To me it seems the guy plays Paul in a I'm too good looking for my own good kind of way. Does anyone see that too ? Agreed. The guy that plays Paul comes off looking like a self-involved jerk. Maybe that's the real Sir Paul...I don't know...I've never met the man let alone work with him. If John Lennon were still around he could probably tell us a thing or two.
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Post by scousette on Aug 15, 2008 17:00:36 GMT -5
Backbeat is a pretty good movie, but Stephen Dorff as Stuart Sutcliffe? Poor casting choice, IMHO. Stuart, from what we have been told by the Beatles themselves, and by the Exis in Hamburg, was enigmatic, beautiful, and talented. I didn't believe for one second that the Stuart in Backbeat was any of that, nor that someone like Astrid would fall madly in love with him.
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 17, 2008 3:36:25 GMT -5
McCartney/Lennon, not the way it should be...Lennon/McCartney At the risk of starting World War III, McCartney/Lennon = Lennon/McCartney.
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Post by JMG on Aug 17, 2008 7:56:46 GMT -5
At the risk of starting World War III, McCartney/Lennon = Lennon/McCartney. No, it's not the same. If you look at the original Beatle recordings written by John Lennon and Paul McCartney, they are credited as Lennon/McCartney. That's a fact.
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Post by GeoffB on Aug 17, 2008 9:30:24 GMT -5
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Post by JMG on Aug 17, 2008 10:48:33 GMT -5
Actually, the "Lennon/McCartney" label only became permanent with "She Loves You," the Beatles' fourth single. "Love Me Do" appeared with "Lennon/McCartney," but "Please Please Me" (single and lp) and "From Me To You" were credited to "McCartney/Lennon." Not on the USA/Capital recordings. I would hate to think all those Beatle records I bought back in the 60s were wrong. The songs are credited to Lennon/McCartney.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Aug 17, 2008 11:44:28 GMT -5
Backbeat is a pretty good movie, but Stephen Dorff as Stuart Sutcliffe? Poor casting choice, IMHO. Stuart, from what we have been told by the Beatles themselves, and by the Exis in Hamburg, was enigmatic, beautiful, and talented. I didn't believe for one second that the Stuart in Backbeat was any of that, nor that someone like Astrid would fall madly in love with him. So , just curious, but whom would you have cast?
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Post by GeoffB on Aug 17, 2008 11:50:01 GMT -5
Not on the USA/Capital recordings. I would hate to think all those Beatle records I bought back in the 60s were wrong. The songs are credited to Lennon/McCartney. Quite true; by the end of 1963, when Capitol decided to release "I Want To Hold Your Hand," "Lennon/McCartney" was the label. The label credit seems to change with song publishers: Ardmore and Beechwood, who I think were EMI's in-house song publisher, used "Lennon/McCartney" on "Love Me Do," the only song they published; it switches to "McCartney/Lennon" for the early part of John's and Paul's contract with Dick James, and then switches back to "Lennon/McCartney" around the time Northern Songs (a Dick James subsidiary) is formed. But by the time the Beatles made it here, it had indeed become "Lennon/McCartney" for good, although I think VJ used the "McCartney/Lennon" variant on "Introducing the Beatles," following the example of its UK equivalent, Please Please Me.
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Post by scousette on Aug 17, 2008 14:12:34 GMT -5
Backbeat is a pretty good movie, but Stephen Dorff as Stuart Sutcliffe? Poor casting choice, IMHO. Stuart, from what we have been told by the Beatles themselves, and by the Exis in Hamburg, was enigmatic, beautiful, and talented. I didn't believe for one second that the Stuart in Backbeat was any of that, nor that someone like Astrid would fall madly in love with him. So , just curious, but whom would you have cast? I don't know. Not Stephen Dorff.
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Post by ChokingSmoker on Aug 17, 2008 14:27:17 GMT -5
Backbeat is a pretty good movie, but Stephen Dorff as Stuart Sutcliffe? Poor casting choice, IMHO. Stuart, from what we have been told by the Beatles themselves, and by the Exis in Hamburg, was enigmatic, beautiful, and talented. I didn't believe for one second that the Stuart in Backbeat was any of that, nor that someone like Astrid would fall madly in love with him. So , just curious, but whom would you have cast? Have to jump in here on this one. Without a doubt for that time frame, Leonardo Dicaprio. Still think to this day of his portrayal of Howard Hughes as astounding. Would have fit Stuart beautifully. Would have done a bang-up job if you ask me.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 17, 2008 15:26:32 GMT -5
So , just curious, but whom would you have cast? Have to jump in here on this one. Without a doubt for that time frame, Leonardo Dicaprio. Still think to this day of his portrayal of Howard Hughes as astounding. Would have fit Stuart beautifully. Would have done a bang-up job if you ask me. Maybe. But Leonardo likes to play guys who can kick ass. Stu wasn't like that. A wild choice for me would be Michael Cera from Juno and Superbad fame: He could play the sensitive artist but he would have to starve himself and feign a British accent. Better yet is probably Jim Sturgess from Across The Universe and 21. He might be awesome as Stu.
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Post by scousette on Aug 17, 2008 18:48:17 GMT -5
JSD, Jim Sturgess came to mind as soon as I hit the "post" button. He was quite the romantic lead in "Across the Universe," and I think he's also in "21," isn't he? Anyway, he could portray the enigmatic Stu quite well, I think.
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 18, 2008 2:51:53 GMT -5
I would hate to think all those Beatle records I bought back in the 60s were wrong. Not wrong. Not right. Simply equal.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 18, 2008 8:27:05 GMT -5
sayne, You are absolutely 100% correct. I watched "Backbeat" this past evening. At the very end of the movie they credit "I Want To Hold Your Hand" to McCartney/Lennon, not the way it should be...Lennon/McCartney. If only we had someone on this board (Steve) with the connections to the entertainment industry (Steve) to get to the bottom of this story (Steve). You rang?
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Post by JMG on Aug 18, 2008 8:38:41 GMT -5
Yes, webmaster...only about two months ago... ;D
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Post by jimc on Aug 18, 2008 10:51:09 GMT -5
McCartney/Lennon, not the way it should be...Lennon/McCartney At the risk of starting World War III, McCartney/Lennon = Lennon/McCartney. Vectisfabber, that's one of my favorite posts ever.
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Post by ChuckE on Aug 18, 2008 11:57:34 GMT -5
At the risk of starting World War III, McCartney/Lennon = Lennon/McCartney. Vectisfabber, that's one of my favorite posts ever. The "commutative law of Beatles songwriting credits"? (sorry, math geek joke! For more details, check this weblink: www.bymath.com/studyguide/ari/ari4.html ) Knowing what we know now about the transparency of the "Lennon/McCartney" songwriting credit, it WOULD be nice if whoever was the principal songwriter was the first mentioned of the two... but in the end, I think only we true Beatles geeks would really care anyway. NP: Richard Marx, "Don't Mean Nothin'," Ringo Starr and his All-Starr Band (live 2006?) (How much of a Beatles geek am I to actually listen to Richard Marx just because he happened to tour with Ringo and appear on a live Ringo album? Don't answer that. )
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Post by ChokingSmoker on Aug 18, 2008 11:59:39 GMT -5
Have to jump in here on this one. Without a doubt for that time frame, Leonardo Dicaprio. Still think to this day of his portrayal of Howard Hughes as astounding. Would have fit Stuart beautifully. Would have done a bang-up job if you ask me. Maybe. But Leonardo likes to play guys who can kick ass. Stu wasn't like that. "Catch Me if You Can" has taken my first spot in all-time movies. I would suppose you can see the bias I have for Leanardo. Cannot get enough of that movie. Then again, I've always admired con men that really did not hurt anybody. Maybe in the pocketbook, but hardly violent. I didn't see Dicraprio kick ass in that movie. As a matter of fact, everybody else wanted to kick his ass.
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